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Jeez. Brian had already been paid off in settlement, right? So why kill him? What's the motive? Kill him before he gets the bread.
Exactly. That way Allen Klein saves a bundle of money--nearly the equivalent of a million dollars by today's equivalent, per year.
Brian hadn't actually been paid off--yet. The payment agreement was due to commence on Monday July 3--but he conveniently died just before midnight, on July 2, rendering the payment agreement null and void.
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Jeez. Brian had already been paid off in settlement, right? So why kill him? What's the motive? Kill him before he gets the bread.
Exactly. That way Allen Klein saves a bundle of money--nearly the equivalent of a million dollars by today's equivalent, per year.
Brian hadn't actually been paid off--yet. The payment agreement was due to commence on Monday July 3--but he conveniently died just before midnight, on July 2, rendering the payment agreement null and void.
Interesting! What is the source, never heard this before...
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Jeez. Brian had already been paid off in settlement, right? So why kill him? What's the motive? Kill him before he gets the bread.
Exactly. That way Allen Klein saves a bundle of money--nearly the equivalent of a million dollars by today's equivalent, per year.
Brian hadn't actually been paid off--yet. The payment agreement was due to commence on Monday July 3--but he conveniently died just before midnight, on July 2, rendering the payment agreement null and void.
Interesting! What is the source, never heard this before...
A very interesting read, and unique among other such bios in that Rawlings himself actually managed to get Keylock and Thorogood together to return to Cotchford Farm in 1993, to see if he could get two of the principal players to reenact events of that night in July 1969. Keylock and Thorogood were obviously in cahoots and were understandably a bit cagey, but Rawlings' book does have striking photos of Keylock standing before the front door of Cotchford reliving his meeting with the press from July 3, 1969, and there is as well an over-the-shoulder photo of a gray, balding, long-haired Thorogood sitting outdoors on Cotchford Farm in 1993 poring over archive newspaper clippings detailing the death of Brian Jones.
As for the terms of the payout due Brian from The Stones' office, the book does go into quite a bit of detail not only of the exact amount, but also Brian's troubled state of mind over when the payment agreement was due to commence. With his considerable debt situation, Brian was quite anxious that the payment agreement should begin as soon as possible.
The amount was 100,000 pounds as a severance agreement for leaving The Stones, then 20,000 pounds to be paid annually for as long as The Rolling Stones remained active as a touring/recording unit. This money would be coming of course from ABKCO.
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Jeez. Brian had already been paid off in settlement, right? So why kill him? What's the motive? Kill him before he gets the bread.
Exactly. That way Allen Klein saves a bundle of money--nearly the equivalent of a million dollars by today's equivalent, per year.
Brian hadn't actually been paid off--yet. The payment agreement was due to commence on Monday July 3--but he conveniently died just before midnight, on July 2, rendering the payment agreement null and void.
Interesting! What is the source, never heard this before...
A very interesting read, and unique among other such bios in that Rawlings himself actually managed to get Keylock and Thorogood together to return to Cotchford Farm in 1993, to see if he could get two of the principal players to reenact events of that night in July 1969. Keylock and Thorogood were obviously in cahoots and were understandably a bit cagey, but Rawlings' book does have striking photos of Keylock standing before the front door of Cotchford reliving his meeting with the press from July 3, 1969, and there is as well an over-the-shoulder photo of a gray, balding, long-haired Thorogood sitting outdoors on Cotchford Farm in 1993 poring over archive newspaper clippings detailing the death of Brian Jones.
As for the terms of the payout due Brian from The Stones' office, the book does go into quite a bit of detail not only of the exact amount, but also Brian's troubled state of mind over when the payment agreement was due to commence. With his considerable debt situation, Brian was quite anxious that the payment agreement should begin as soon as possible.
The amount was 100,000 pounds as a severance agreement for leaving The Stones, then 20,000 pounds to be paid annually for as long as The Rolling Stones remained active as a touring/recording unit. This money would be coming of course from ABKCO.
OK thanks, I also heard these amounts (I believe in Tony Sanchez's book). So where do you think this money would come from? I would guess that it would come from the net proceeds to be paid to the Stones AFTER Klein took any money owed him. In other words, Klein makes no more or no less, but it's the Stones themselves that would earn less in the coming years. So, if that is true, why would Klein want him dead (you stated : Allen Klein saves a bundle of money--nearly the equivalent of a million dollars by today's equivalent, per year)?
Found these pictures taken the next day after he died:
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Jumping the gun here, but, is this what John Lennon meant when he said,
"The Rolling Stones will break up over Brian Jones' dead body."?
If he actually said it, that is ... and if he did mean it that way,
why then sign with a bastard as Klein?
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Jeez. Brian had already been paid off in settlement, right? So why kill him? What's the motive? Kill him before he gets the bread.
Exactly. That way Allen Klein saves a bundle of money--nearly the equivalent of a million dollars by today's equivalent, per year.
Brian hadn't actually been paid off--yet. The payment agreement was due to commence on Monday July 3--but he conveniently died just before midnight, on July 2, rendering the payment agreement null and void.
Interesting! What is the source, never heard this before...
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Jeez. Brian had already been paid off in settlement, right? So why kill him? What's the motive? Kill him before he gets the bread.
Exactly. That way Allen Klein saves a bundle of money--nearly the equivalent of a million dollars by today's equivalent, per year.
Brian hadn't actually been paid off--yet. The payment agreement was due to commence on Monday July 3--but he conveniently died just before midnight, on July 2, rendering the payment agreement null and void.
Interesting! What is the source, never heard this before...
A very interesting read, and unique among other such bios in that Rawlings himself actually managed to get Keylock and Thorogood together to return to Cotchford Farm in 1993, to see if he could get two of the principal players to reenact events of that night in July 1969. Keylock and Thorogood were obviously in cahoots and were understandably a bit cagey, but Rawlings' book does have striking photos of Keylock standing before the front door of Cotchford reliving his meeting with the press from July 3, 1969, and there is as well an over-the-shoulder photo of a gray, balding, long-haired Thorogood sitting outdoors on Cotchford Farm in 1993 poring over archive newspaper clippings detailing the death of Brian Jones.
As for the terms of the payout due Brian from The Stones' office, the book does go into quite a bit of detail not only of the exact amount, but also Brian's troubled state of mind over when the payment agreement was due to commence. With his considerable debt situation, Brian was quite anxious that the payment agreement should begin as soon as possible.
The amount was 100,000 pounds as a severance agreement for leaving The Stones, then 20,000 pounds to be paid annually for as long as The Rolling Stones remained active as a touring/recording unit. This money would be coming of course from ABKCO.
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Bassid6
A. The Kleins are twats
B. Terry Rawlings is a twat
C. Where does it say, in writing, that Brian gets his money on the 3rd of July 1969? Can you give me a copy?
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alimente
Why would Brian's money be paid by ABKCO? Allen Klein would have been an idiot if he had made such an agreement, and he clearly was not.
Payment agreements are made between management and bands, not individual members. In the end, for any manager it does not make a difference if you pay to a band of 5 or only 4 members. It's up to the band to divide the incoming money, and it's up to the band to pay out parting members.
And why would Klein, an already rich man at this point, risk criminal investigations for murder?
This "payment agreement starting July 3 and Brian died just in time on July 2" is total bullshit, makes an interesting reading,though - but just to sell the book by fuelling murder and other conspiracy theories.
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Why would Brian's money be paid by ABKCO? Allen Klein would have been an idiot if he had made such an agreement, and he clearly was not.
Payment agreements are made between management and bands, not individual members. In the end, for any manager it does not make a difference if you pay to a band of 5 or only 4 members. It's up to the band to divide the incoming money, and it's up to the band to pay out parting members.
And why would Klein, an already rich man at this point, risk criminal investigations for murder?
This "payment agreement starting July 3 and Brian died just in time on July 2" is total bullshit, makes an interesting reading,though - but just to sell the book by fuelling murder and other conspiracy theories.
Remember the contract The Stones signed, where they unwittingly signed the rights to all their recordings over to Klein and ABKCO? That's the reason why today Mick and Co. control the rights to their back catalog only from 1971 onward. ABKCO owns the rights to everything released before then. Which is why we'll never see a deluxe treatment of Let It Bleed, Beggar's Banquet, and so on. That's why The Stones' 2009 remastering series only goes as far back as Sticky Fingers.
Regarding Klein being involved in criminal investigations for murder, why were Thorogood and Co. not investigated for robbery, which they committed on a grand scale when they absconded with a great many of Brian's possession's on July 3?
About the starting date of the payment agreement being untrue, then you must know when the payment agreement was due to commence. Brian was fired from the band on July 8. So if it was not due to begin on the first Monday in July, then when?
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Why would Brian's money be paid by ABKCO? Allen Klein would have been an idiot if he had made such an agreement, and he clearly was not.
Payment agreements are made between management and bands, not individual members. In the end, for any manager it does not make a difference if you pay to a band of 5 or only 4 members. It's up to the band to divide the incoming money, and it's up to the band to pay out parting members.
And why would Klein, an already rich man at this point, risk criminal investigations for murder?
This "payment agreement starting July 3 and Brian died just in time on July 2" is total bullshit, makes an interesting reading,though - but just to sell the book by fuelling murder and other conspiracy theories.
Remember the contract The Stones signed, where they unwittingly signed the rights to all their recordings over to Klein and ABKCO? That's the reason why today Mick and Co. control the rights to their back catalog only from 1971 onward. ABKCO owns the rights to everything released before then. Which is why we'll never see a deluxe treatment of Let It Bleed, Beggar's Banquet, and so on. That's why The Stones' 2009 remastering series only goes as far back as Sticky Fingers.
Regarding Klein being involved in criminal investigations for murder, why were Thorogood and Co. not investigated for robbery, which they committed on a grand scale when they absconded with a great many of Brian's possession's on July 3?
About the starting date of the payment agreement being untrue, then you must know when the payment agreement was due to commence. Brian was fired from the band on July 8. So if it was not due to begin on the first Monday in July, then when?
Someone on the LARS site a few years ago came up with a timeline leading up to Brian's death. It would be interesting to see it extended by 24 hours (if possible), which would cover all of July 3 and this robbery. Any idea how much information is available for this date and if the LARS timeline for July 2 is still available?
So the Thorogood death bed confession is not viewed seriously here, or was made up? I must say I lost a lot of faith in what I read on the Stones after finding out a long time ago that Tony Sanchez's rivetting book wasn't stuff that really happened...supposedly.Quote
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A very interesting read, and unique among other such bios in that Rawlings himself actually managed to get Keylock and Thorogood together to return to Cotchford Farm in 1993, to see if he could get two of the principal players to reenact events of that night in July 1969.
It was Keylock who claimed that Thorogood had told him that before he died. Thorogood's daughter claim that she was in the room the whole time during Keylock's visit and strongly deny that her father said that. With Thorogood gone there was no way to know if there was any truth in that claim.Quote
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So the Thorogood death bed confession is not viewed seriously here, or was made up?
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Vocalion
Wouldn't those dogs have barked if something was going on at the pool?
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The image is taken in the morning after the 'accident'
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gotdablouseSo the Thorogood death bed confession is not viewed seriously here, or was made up? I must say I lost a lot of faith in what I read on the Stones after finding out a long time ago that Tony Sanchez's rivetting book wasn't stuff that really happened...supposedly.Quote
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A very interesting read, and unique among other such bios in that Rawlings himself actually managed to get Keylock and Thorogood together to return to Cotchford Farm in 1993, to see if he could get two of the principal players to reenact events of that night in July 1969.
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Do you have Terry Rawlings' book? I bought the first edition some years ago in the Charing Cross Road, and it contains a copy of a sworn affidavit by Keylock concerning Thorogood's confession, so why would he say it was a joke afterwards? I think the whole story of what went down that night is really spooky. And, to be perfectly honest, even though Charlie said "he was not worth murdering", I would beg to differ: he was the founder, he named the band and was immensely popular. As Wyman says in Stone Alone, the whole Jagger-Richards legendary period only started once Brian died.
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Bassid6
Can someone show me the docs on that whole thing? Where does it say he was due a payment on 3 July? I have never gotten a straight answer on that, no matter how many times I had enquired. That does not exist. If you have something different, then show me it!
As far as I know, he just died in the pool because he was just being "Brian". Yeah?