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rules are rules. it's lennon-bashing its most basic form.
Well, one would have to "imagine" it all first.
But it does appear he copyrighted the song which refers to no "possessions".
So, he is just imagining....
The "I wonder if you can?" line was pretty funny though.
Highly overrated and overplayed at this point, yes! But it is still a pretty song to my ears, if I can manage not to hear for it for a year or so. Easier said than done of course.
Nevertheless I give it a 91 for its catchy melody and Alan White's great drumming.
i think lennon was basically one of socialist ideals, probably from his background and upbringing, which conflicted with his being rich, later. there is also the buddhsts philospphy of 'possessions of the mind.' i dont know if lennon was into that stuff or not, but he could be referring to those kind of posessions
or, maybe he was referring to imagining having no posessions, like how the poorest of the poor have none, and to imagine what that would be like
i'm no psychologist for sure, but maybe his imagining for peace on a global scale was due and conflicted to the lack of peace within his own sphere? you know, all that philosophical beatles type shit. i mean he certainly wasn't a perfect guy, broke up marriage, fights, boozin... and all that
on the other hand, he was just another rock star. they tend to sometimes think being in the public eye gives them instant credibility when it comes to preaching a certain philosophy. pretty damn comfortable to preach what he did while he lived in total luxury.. but artists can get away with that. yeah, peace is great. imagine that. we all get it
True on the former, a bit harsh on the latter. I always liked the drums on Hello Goodbye, one of Ringo's finer moments. Hello, Goodbye has everything a number 1 top 40 single should have--memorable hooks, fine melody, a nice toe-tapping outro, whereas I Am The Walrus was too experimental for the confines of top 40 radio and would still be too out there to be a hit today. As an album cut, superb--but remember that hit singles of the time were purchased mainly by 12 to 14 year old girls and their Walrus-listening days were still a few years ahead. It's the same reason Have You Seen Your Mother, Baby, Standing in the Shadows was not a big hit at the time.
Well, W&B was considered a strong 'rebound' from his previous 2 albums (NYC and Mind Games), which were considered disappointing, perhaps that's what I actually meant to say in my post. True, his first 2 albums are considered his best. BTW, Mike Pinder of the Moody Blues was supposed to play mellotron on I Don't Want To Be A Soldier, Mama, but when he showed up for the session the mellotron was in disarray, so he wound up playing tambourine instead.
No, you are not the only one.
would you believe the 2nd most wonderful?
Yes, the critical and popular trends do ebb and flow significantly over this time. Back in 1980 there was a decided DISinterest in Lennon returning from oblivion with a new album. Certainly I was ecstatic about it, and presumably a legion of hard core Beatles fans were as well, but at least a couple of the very first reviews of Double Fantasy were less than enthusiastic. When I mentioned Lennon putting out a new album, no one I knew at college was the least bit interested. Time had passed him by. For myself, I wasn't particularly enamored of the "classic rock" format either, but of course I loved my Stones and retained an interest, if not always enthusiasm, at what ex-Beatles might be doing.
Once Lennon was murdered though, the emotional and sometimes irrational response kicked in for many people. In the more extreme forms, I not only heard people in person express the sentiment that "why couldn't it have been Paul [McCartney]" (or Mick Jagger) "instead" of Lennon [being shot/killed]. At least a couple of journalists [sorry I cannot recall them to provide proof] and certainly letters to publications expressed that sentiment as well. Anyway, I dare say a good number of people with little interest in rock music or the Beatles came to "respect" Lennon's legacy from afar. Certainly the critics and many who grew up with the Beatles found renewed favor with Lennon. Some of it probably at the expense of McCartney.
Now its kind of fashionable to dismiss Imagine, but yes, I agree with those that said you have to be familiar with the time in which it was released.
To be sure, there were people at the time that did have legitimate criticism with the song, so fair enough for those folks, of course.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2012-08-14 03:35 by SweetThing.
I imagine not.
how about if the person had only one possession...but that one possession was over judgment day?
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Re: I'm not the only one ....
Posted by:
rebelrebel
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Date: August 13, 2012 22:51
I loathe Imagine and always have. "John's gift to the world" said Yoko. Yuk. However, to be clear, I'm not Yoko bashing, not Lennon bashing and I love I Am The Walrus.
Re: I'm not the only one ....
Posted by:
StonesTod
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Date: August 13, 2012 22:58
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rebelrebel
I loathe Imagine and always have. "John's gift to the world" said Yoko. Yuk. However, to be clear, I'm not Yoko bashing, not Lennon bashing and I love I Am The Walrus.
rules are rules. it's lennon-bashing its most basic form.
Re: I'm not the only one ....
Posted by:
SweetThing
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Date: August 13, 2012 23:00
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pinkfloydthebarber
but the downside to the words are it's all just a figment of imagination. imagining such a world is easy; anybody can imagine, but getting it to happen is not, so in that sense the words are sort of ridiculous. there's no solutions offered here to get from point A to point B, from the mess lennon saw to the hippie utopia, other than to 'imagine' or fantasize about it, but not really do anything to accomplish it
maybe because that would inevitably require violence?
Well, one would have to "imagine" it all first.
But it does appear he copyrighted the song which refers to no "possessions".
So, he is just imagining....
The "I wonder if you can?" line was pretty funny though.
Highly overrated and overplayed at this point, yes! But it is still a pretty song to my ears, if I can manage not to hear for it for a year or so. Easier said than done of course.
Re: I'm not the only one ....
Posted by:
tomk
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Date: August 13, 2012 23:16
It's just a song, and a very naive one at that, nothing more.
The "no possessions" line is funny, coming from a guy who spent that last years of his life having his wife acquiring nothing but that in order to have as much cash as McCartney.
And speaking of I Am The Walrus: With all the pop singers the Brits trotted out last night, you couldn't find another one to sing Walrus? You had to have a comedian do it?
Maybe the Rutles should have played. That would have put the whole thing in perspective.
The "no possessions" line is funny, coming from a guy who spent that last years of his life having his wife acquiring nothing but that in order to have as much cash as McCartney.
And speaking of I Am The Walrus: With all the pop singers the Brits trotted out last night, you couldn't find another one to sing Walrus? You had to have a comedian do it?
Maybe the Rutles should have played. That would have put the whole thing in perspective.
Re: You're not the only one ....
Posted by:
71Tele
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Date: August 13, 2012 23:20
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flacnvinyl
StonesTod thems fightin words...
Not a fan of this song. Lennon wrote some great music but this isn't one of them. The other thing is that to think of the reality of the song is actually pretty depressing. I have talked to a few people about this but if you think about original sin, Adam & Eve, all that stuff... The ultimate question is 'Why allow evil into this world?' Great question. The answer is so that we would all be able to experience the human life we currently have.
Without the choice to do evil, there is no actual choice at all. So a world without anything to kill or die for, is infact a world filled with robots, actually. So Mr. Lennon's lyrics, on face value, are very peaceful and serene, but ultimately would usher in the most empty life possible.
Sounds great if you are into transcedenatlism and nihilism. Sounds horrible if you have a wife and kids and are aware of what is actually happening in the world. I pray for justice, grace, peace, love... not emptiness and nothingness.
My two cents. =)
Nevertheless I give it a 91 for its catchy melody and Alan White's great drumming.
Re: I'm not the only one ....
Posted by:
Elmo Lewis
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Date: August 13, 2012 23:32
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Edith Grove
I have mixed emotions about this thread.......
Re: I'm not the only one ....
Posted by:
Elmo Lewis
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Date: August 13, 2012 23:38
SOngs with similar intent:
I prefer "Imagine" to this one:
I prefer this one to "Imagine":
I prefer "Imagine" to this one:
I prefer this one to "Imagine":
Re: I'm not the only one ....
Posted by:
24FPS
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Date: August 13, 2012 23:41
Imagine is just a good song to contemplate when it comes on. Many people are frustrated by this existence and are weary that nothing of any good will ever change. People were tired of war when Imagine came out in 1971. The powers that be learned to make it an almost corporate soldier war now, with no draft. Now the young people are barely aware there's a decade old war in Afghanistan. Things have actually gotten worse than when Imagine was released.
As for I Am The Walrus, what a turnaround for that song. I remember hearing it on the radio in '67 and thinking Lennon was daft. They played it a couple times because they had to play all Beatles songs at least a few times. Sitting on a cornflake? Then I read in Lennon Remembers that he was peeved that it was relegated to the B side of Hello Goodbye. In this case history has proven him right. I Am The Walrus is pure genius. Hello Goodbye was pure schlock.
As for I Am The Walrus, what a turnaround for that song. I remember hearing it on the radio in '67 and thinking Lennon was daft. They played it a couple times because they had to play all Beatles songs at least a few times. Sitting on a cornflake? Then I read in Lennon Remembers that he was peeved that it was relegated to the B side of Hello Goodbye. In this case history has proven him right. I Am The Walrus is pure genius. Hello Goodbye was pure schlock.
Re: I'm not the only one ....
Posted by:
NICOS
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Date: August 13, 2012 23:43
I love this song from the day it was released...but it's overplayed on the radio so it's getting bored...............
"I'm a Walrus" this song never bores me and this is the same for Strawberry Fields Forever which is one of his greatest songs.
As for the lyrics...........I always thought it was a hate song against Paul especially the last three verses.
You, you may say
I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one
I hope some day you'll join us
And the world will be as one
Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people sharing all the world
You, you may say
I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one
I hope some day you'll join us
And the world will live as one
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"I'm a Walrus" this song never bores me and this is the same for Strawberry Fields Forever which is one of his greatest songs.
As for the lyrics...........I always thought it was a hate song against Paul especially the last three verses.
You, you may say
I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one
I hope some day you'll join us
And the world will be as one
Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people sharing all the world
You, you may say
I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one
I hope some day you'll join us
And the world will live as one
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Re: I'm not the only one ....
Posted by:
pinkfloydthebarber
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Date: August 14, 2012 00:27
Quote
SweetThingQuote
pinkfloydthebarber
but the downside to the words are it's all just a figment of imagination. imagining such a world is easy; anybody can imagine, but getting it to happen is not, so in that sense the words are sort of ridiculous. there's no solutions offered here to get from point A to point B, from the mess lennon saw to the hippie utopia, other than to 'imagine' or fantasize about it, but not really do anything to accomplish it
maybe because that would inevitably require violence?
Well, one would have to "imagine" it all first.
But it does appear he copyrighted the song which refers to no "possessions".
So, he is just imagining....
The "I wonder if you can?" line was pretty funny though.
Highly overrated and overplayed at this point, yes! But it is still a pretty song to my ears, if I can manage not to hear for it for a year or so. Easier said than done of course.
i think lennon was basically one of socialist ideals, probably from his background and upbringing, which conflicted with his being rich, later. there is also the buddhsts philospphy of 'possessions of the mind.' i dont know if lennon was into that stuff or not, but he could be referring to those kind of posessions
or, maybe he was referring to imagining having no posessions, like how the poorest of the poor have none, and to imagine what that would be like
i'm no psychologist for sure, but maybe his imagining for peace on a global scale was due and conflicted to the lack of peace within his own sphere? you know, all that philosophical beatles type shit. i mean he certainly wasn't a perfect guy, broke up marriage, fights, boozin... and all that
on the other hand, he was just another rock star. they tend to sometimes think being in the public eye gives them instant credibility when it comes to preaching a certain philosophy. pretty damn comfortable to preach what he did while he lived in total luxury.. but artists can get away with that. yeah, peace is great. imagine that. we all get it
Re: I'm not the only one ....
Posted by:
stonesnow
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Date: August 14, 2012 00:33
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24FPS
Imagine is just a good song to contemplate when it comes on. Many people are frustrated by this existence and are weary that nothing of any good will ever change. People were tired of war when Imagine came out in 1971. The powers that be learned to make it an almost corporate soldier war now, with no draft. Now the young people are barely aware there's a decade old war in Afghanistan. Things have actually gotten worse than when Imagine was released.
As for I Am The Walrus, what a turnaround for that song. I remember hearing it on the radio in '67 and thinking Lennon was daft. They played it a couple times because they had to play all Beatles songs at least a few times. Sitting on a cornflake? Then I read in Lennon Remembers that he was peeved that it was relegated to the B side of Hello Goodbye. In this case history has proven him right. I Am The Walrus is pure genius. Hello Goodbye was pure schlock.
True on the former, a bit harsh on the latter. I always liked the drums on Hello Goodbye, one of Ringo's finer moments. Hello, Goodbye has everything a number 1 top 40 single should have--memorable hooks, fine melody, a nice toe-tapping outro, whereas I Am The Walrus was too experimental for the confines of top 40 radio and would still be too out there to be a hit today. As an album cut, superb--but remember that hit singles of the time were purchased mainly by 12 to 14 year old girls and their Walrus-listening days were still a few years ahead. It's the same reason Have You Seen Your Mother, Baby, Standing in the Shadows was not a big hit at the time.
Re: I'm not the only one ....
Posted by:
stonesnow
()
Date: August 14, 2012 00:48
I find the views expressed in this thread toward the song Imagine a very telling indication of how tastes have changed over the last 30 years. In the early 80s, Lennon was lauded and eulogized for the song, which was his most popular as a solo artist. But now, Imagine is almost universally loathed and despised, whereas Macca's album Ram has become the darling of critics and fans alike, who have both come to view it as among his best (which it is, especially in the form of its 2-CD deluxe package).
That brings to mind the question of what is Lennon's best solo album? Back in the day it was universally considered to be Walls and Bridges, but there are a great many lesser, even forgettable, songs on that one and the mid-70s production values have not worn well over time. Anyone give Sometime in NYC a listen lately? True, the topical political content is dated, but the production is raw, the songs edgy, and some of his finest melodies as a solo artist are captured on that recording.
That brings to mind the question of what is Lennon's best solo album? Back in the day it was universally considered to be Walls and Bridges, but there are a great many lesser, even forgettable, songs on that one and the mid-70s production values have not worn well over time. Anyone give Sometime in NYC a listen lately? True, the topical political content is dated, but the production is raw, the songs edgy, and some of his finest melodies as a solo artist are captured on that recording.
Re: I'm not the only one ....
Posted by:
StonesTod
()
Date: August 14, 2012 00:56
i don't recall anyone ever claiming walls & bridges was john's best; plastic ono band has always generally been regarded as his masterwork.
i loved imagine (album and song) then as i love imagine now.
these posts are so hurtful....
i loved imagine (album and song) then as i love imagine now.
these posts are so hurtful....
Re: I'm not the only one ....
Posted by:
stonesnow
()
Date: August 14, 2012 01:13
Quote
StonesTod
i don't recall anyone ever claiming walls & bridges was john's best; plastic ono band has always generally been regarded as his masterwork.
i loved imagine (album and song) then as i love imagine now.
these posts are so hurtful....
Well, W&B was considered a strong 'rebound' from his previous 2 albums (NYC and Mind Games), which were considered disappointing, perhaps that's what I actually meant to say in my post. True, his first 2 albums are considered his best. BTW, Mike Pinder of the Moody Blues was supposed to play mellotron on I Don't Want To Be A Soldier, Mama, but when he showed up for the session the mellotron was in disarray, so he wound up playing tambourine instead.
Re: I'm not the only one ....
Posted by:
StonesTod
()
Date: August 14, 2012 01:21
gotcha. always liked w&b...#9 dream always a fave...such an odd vibe going there. was all over the airwaves when i got my first job as a dj....good times.
Re: I'm not the only one ....
Posted by:
pmk251
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Date: August 14, 2012 01:24
To the cynics of the dreams of artists...
"The artist, however faithful to his personal vision of reality, becomes the last champion of the individual mind and sensibility against an intrusive society and an officious state. The great artist is thus a solitary figure. He has, as Frost said, a lover's quarrel with the world. In pursuing his perceptions of reality, he must often sail against the currents of his time. This is not a popular role. If Robert Frost was much honored in his lifetime, it was because a good many preferred to ignore his darker truths. Yet in retrospect, we see how the artist's fidelity has strengthened the fibre of our national life.
If sometimes our great artist have been the most critical of our society, it is because their sensitivity and their concern for justice, which must motivate any true artist, makes him aware that our Nation falls short of its highest potential. I see little of more importance to the future of our country and our civilization than full recognition of the place of the artist.
If art is to nourish the roots of our culture, society must set the artist free to follow his vision wherever it takes him. We must never forget that art is not a form of propaganda; it is a form of truth. And as Mr. MacLeish once remarked of poets, there is nothing worse for our trade than to be in style. In free society art is not a weapon and it does not belong to the spheres of polemic and ideology. Artists are not engineers of the soul. It may be different elsewhere. But democratic society--in it, the highest duty of the writer, the composer, the artist is to remain true to himself and to let the chips fall where they may. In serving his vision of the truth, the artist best serves his nation. And the nation which disdains the mission of art invites the fate of Robert Frost's hired man, the fate of having "nothing to look backward to with pride, and nothing to look forward to with hope." "
"The artist, however faithful to his personal vision of reality, becomes the last champion of the individual mind and sensibility against an intrusive society and an officious state. The great artist is thus a solitary figure. He has, as Frost said, a lover's quarrel with the world. In pursuing his perceptions of reality, he must often sail against the currents of his time. This is not a popular role. If Robert Frost was much honored in his lifetime, it was because a good many preferred to ignore his darker truths. Yet in retrospect, we see how the artist's fidelity has strengthened the fibre of our national life.
If sometimes our great artist have been the most critical of our society, it is because their sensitivity and their concern for justice, which must motivate any true artist, makes him aware that our Nation falls short of its highest potential. I see little of more importance to the future of our country and our civilization than full recognition of the place of the artist.
If art is to nourish the roots of our culture, society must set the artist free to follow his vision wherever it takes him. We must never forget that art is not a form of propaganda; it is a form of truth. And as Mr. MacLeish once remarked of poets, there is nothing worse for our trade than to be in style. In free society art is not a weapon and it does not belong to the spheres of polemic and ideology. Artists are not engineers of the soul. It may be different elsewhere. But democratic society--in it, the highest duty of the writer, the composer, the artist is to remain true to himself and to let the chips fall where they may. In serving his vision of the truth, the artist best serves his nation. And the nation which disdains the mission of art invites the fate of Robert Frost's hired man, the fate of having "nothing to look backward to with pride, and nothing to look forward to with hope." "
Re: I'm not the only one ....
Posted by:
Max'sKansasCity
()
Date: August 14, 2012 01:36
Quote
Elmo Lewis
Am I the only one who doesn't think John Lennon's "Imagine" is the most wonderful song ever? Ditto "I Am The Walrus".
No, you are not the only one.
Re: I'm not the only one ....
Posted by:
StonesTod
()
Date: August 14, 2012 01:39
Quote
Max'sKansasCityQuote
Elmo Lewis
Am I the only one who doesn't think John Lennon's "Imagine" is the most wonderful song ever?
No, you are not the only one.
would you believe the 2nd most wonderful?
Re: I'm not the only one ....
Posted by:
Max'sKansasCity
()
Date: August 14, 2012 01:43
That would just start a huge argument about what is number 1,Quote
StonesTodQuote
Max'sKansasCityQuote
Elmo Lewis
Am I the only one who doesn't think John Lennon's "Imagine" is the most wonderful song ever?
No, you are not the only one.
would you believe the 2nd most wonderful?
Re: I'm not the only one ....
Posted by:
Denny
()
Date: August 14, 2012 03:11
Imagine is a deservedly celebrated song which will outlive any "but Lennon was this, Lennon was that, how can he write 'imagine no possessions'" -type criticisms. I'm sure that as long as people listen to songs, they'll be listening to this one. It just seems to move more people than most songs do.
Re: I'm not the only one ....
Posted by:
SweetThing
()
Date: August 14, 2012 03:30
Quote
stonesnow
I find the views expressed in this thread toward the song Imagine a very telling indication of how tastes have changed over the last 30 years. In the early 80s, Lennon was lauded and eulogized for the song, which was his most popular as a solo artist. But now, Imagine is almost universally loathed and despised, whereas Macca's album Ram has become the darling of critics and fans alike, who have both come to view it as among his best (which it is, especially in the form of its 2-CD deluxe package).
That brings to mind the question of what is Lennon's best solo album? Back in the day it was universally considered to be Walls and Bridges, but there are a great many lesser, even forgettable, songs on that one and the mid-70s production values have not worn well over time. Anyone give Sometime in NYC a listen lately? True, the topical political content is dated, but the production is raw, the songs edgy, and some of his finest melodies as a solo artist are captured on that recording.
Yes, the critical and popular trends do ebb and flow significantly over this time. Back in 1980 there was a decided DISinterest in Lennon returning from oblivion with a new album. Certainly I was ecstatic about it, and presumably a legion of hard core Beatles fans were as well, but at least a couple of the very first reviews of Double Fantasy were less than enthusiastic. When I mentioned Lennon putting out a new album, no one I knew at college was the least bit interested. Time had passed him by. For myself, I wasn't particularly enamored of the "classic rock" format either, but of course I loved my Stones and retained an interest, if not always enthusiasm, at what ex-Beatles might be doing.
Once Lennon was murdered though, the emotional and sometimes irrational response kicked in for many people. In the more extreme forms, I not only heard people in person express the sentiment that "why couldn't it have been Paul [McCartney]" (or Mick Jagger) "instead" of Lennon [being shot/killed]. At least a couple of journalists [sorry I cannot recall them to provide proof] and certainly letters to publications expressed that sentiment as well. Anyway, I dare say a good number of people with little interest in rock music or the Beatles came to "respect" Lennon's legacy from afar. Certainly the critics and many who grew up with the Beatles found renewed favor with Lennon. Some of it probably at the expense of McCartney.
Now its kind of fashionable to dismiss Imagine, but yes, I agree with those that said you have to be familiar with the time in which it was released.
To be sure, there were people at the time that did have legitimate criticism with the song, so fair enough for those folks, of course.
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Re: I'm not the only one ....
Posted by:
frankotero
()
Date: August 14, 2012 09:19
Being a big fan of John Lennon I used to play Imagine a lot. However, aging will change the way a person see things. Sure I can understand peoples dislike for the song but I think they should consider it was 1971 and what the world and John Lennon was like in that time. Also, I'm sure John realised this was nothing more than a dream but why not wish for good things. Actually I rarely play this song anymore, I prefer his last recordings. Think about the song I Don't Want To Face It where he says you're trying to save the humanity but it's people that you just can't stand. Seems very realistic to me. That's what I love about John, he could tell the good and bad about himself. Personally I think the world needs more people like him.
Re: I'm not the only one ....
Posted by:
GravityBoy
()
Date: August 14, 2012 09:48
I wish I had written Imagine.
You look at the lyrics from an ironic point of view - perfectly possible with Lennon.
It's been played to death though so people are sick of it.
I prefer listening to some of his other songs.
Instant Karma.
#9 Dream
Working Class Hero
He did do some interesting things after the Beatles.
So did McCartney, but he gets it in the neck - mostly unfairly.
You look at the lyrics from an ironic point of view - perfectly possible with Lennon.
It's been played to death though so people are sick of it.
I prefer listening to some of his other songs.
Instant Karma.
#9 Dream
Working Class Hero
He did do some interesting things after the Beatles.
So did McCartney, but he gets it in the neck - mostly unfairly.
Re: I'm not the only one ....
Posted by:
SKILLS
()
Date: August 14, 2012 10:05
Mainstream tosh at the Closing so why not the rest of it
Cure, Iron Maiden, Clash, Texas, Prodigy, Stereophonics, Simple Minds, Deep Purple, Cream, Elvis Costello....Heck i'm surprised Jools didn't turn up
Cure, Iron Maiden, Clash, Texas, Prodigy, Stereophonics, Simple Minds, Deep Purple, Cream, Elvis Costello....Heck i'm surprised Jools didn't turn up
Re: I'm not the only one ....
Posted by:
NICOS
()
Date: August 14, 2012 18:17
Quote
GravityBoy
I wish I had written Imagine.
You look at the lyrics from an ironic point of view - perfectly possible with Lennon.
It's been played to death though so people are sick of it.
I prefer listening to some of his other songs.
Instant Karma.
#9 Dream
Working Class Hero
"Love" is a great song too..........well ......I was extremely in love when this song was released
Skip the first 13 sec. .................
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Re: I'm not the only one ....
Posted by:
71Tele
()
Date: August 14, 2012 19:03
Quote
StonesTod
i don't recall anyone ever claiming walls & bridges was john's best; plastic ono band has always generally been regarded as his masterwork.
i loved imagine (album and song) then as i love imagine now.
these posts are so hurtful....
Re: I'm not the only one ....
Posted by:
71Tele
()
Date: August 14, 2012 19:12
Only John Lennon could have said "The dream is over" and on his very next record say "you may say that I'm a dreamer". "All You Need Is Love" and "I don't believe in Buddha (mantra, Krishna, Zimmerman, Elvis, Beatles) - both written by the same guy. With Lennon, one has to look past the inconsistencies and just appreciate the brilliant music. He was an idealist with utopian vision, and he never really found the political/spiritual form for his idealism to take shape in. All these forms are flawed, so he was constantly disappointed, yet constantly looking for the next thing. The man of great wealth asked us to imagine no possessions. Yes, there is inconsistency in that. Many were offended by his challenge to imagine no religion. He had learned that no religion can get you "there". The song as as fascinating and inconsistent as the man himself. That's why it's so perfectly John, and why I love it.
Re: I'm not the only one ....
Posted by:
StonesTod
()
Date: August 14, 2012 19:26
why can't a song just stand on its own merit? who cares who wrote it or whether it was written sincerely. would imagine be a better song if the person who wrote it had no possessions?
Re: I'm not the only one ....
Posted by:
treaclefingers
()
Date: August 14, 2012 19:29
Quote
StonesTod
why can't a song just stand on its own merit? who cares who wrote it or whether it was written sincerely. would imagine be a better song if the person who wrote it had no possessions?
I imagine not.
Re: I'm not the only one ....
Posted by:
StonesTod
()
Date: August 14, 2012 20:13
Quote
treaclefingersQuote
StonesTod
why can't a song just stand on its own merit? who cares who wrote it or whether it was written sincerely. would imagine be a better song if the person who wrote it had no possessions?
I imagine not.
how about if the person had only one possession...but that one possession was over judgment day?
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