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The bon-fire is very weird. Some say Keylock acted on orders from 1. Les Perrin 2. Brian's dad and 3. The Stones. Other stuff where loaded in trucks and that fits since Brian's parents got some of the stuff from Cotchford including Brian's mellotron. I've heard stories about things getting stolen as well.Quote
Marie
The weirdness was afterwards. Keylock burned all Brian's clothes, etc. Brian's house was ranshacked.
She lived with Bill Wyman and his wife for a time after the murder. I wonder if Bill knew that she would be hustled out of the country?Quote
Bliss
I have not read Anna Wohlin's book - she was hustled out of the country and warned not to speak to anyone.
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TheDailyBuzzherd
At this point, much more interesting to me is to solidify the parts Brian played.
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Bliss
I have not read Anna Wohlin's book - she was hustled out of the country and warned not to speak to anyone.
Why so much cloak & dagger stuff around this sad event? Like in the Daily Mail article above, Janet said she was so frightened "they" would get her, she went into hiding on a flippin' RAF base! Geez. Frank Thorogood was just a lone, inept contractor/handy man, not the Cosa Nostra or the C.I.A.
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Bliss
I have not read Anna Wohlin's book - she was hustled out of the country and warned not to speak to anyone.
Why so much cloak & dagger stuff around this sad event? Like in the Daily Mail article above, Janet said she was so frightened "they" would get her, she went into hiding on a flippin' RAF base! Geez. Frank Thorogood was just a lone, inept contractor/handy man, not the Cosa Nostra or the C.I.A.
I think it's safe to say that Brian was in the process of putting another band together. But we don't know much about how far he was in that process. Some say that "they" had recorded a single ready to be released and others say that he simply talked to people asking them to come down to Cotchford and play.Quote
mickschix
I doubt that Mick or Keith or the Stones organization worried about rights to the name because they could simply pay Brian for the rights; Brian, being " unemployed" would probably not have fussed about it. Rumor has it that Brian was in the process of putting another band together. Who knows if any of the rumors are true.
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mickschix
I doubt that Mick or Keith or the Stones organization worried about rights to the name because they could simply pay Brian for the rights; Brian, being " unemployed" would probably not have fussed about it. Rumor has it that Brian was in the process of putting another band together. Who knows if any of the rumors are true.
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Green Lady
I didn't think the question of ownership of band names was a hot issue in the 1960s - until I read about Ronnie's first group the Birds threatening to sue the US Byrds in 1965. However, this was definitely a publicity stunt and not done with any serious intention of going to court.
People who left bands in the 60s usually gave their new outfit a new name (Cream, Blind Faith, Bad Company, Wings...) but for goodness sake, how big a problem would it have been if Brian had called his new band the Rolling Stones and the rest of them had to settle for some new name? Hardly a big enough motive for murder.
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klrkcr
Why fire someone...and then party with them? Surely this would be a recipe for disaster,especially if alcohol is involved.
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Green Lady
I didn't think the question of ownership of band names was a hot issue in the 1960s - until I read about Ronnie's first group the Birds threatening to sue the US Byrds in 1965. However, this was definitely a publicity stunt and not done with any serious intention of going to court.
People who left bands in the 60s usually gave their new outfit a new name (Cream, Blind Faith, Bad Company, Wings...) but for goodness sake, how big a problem would it have been if Brian had called his new band the Rolling Stones and the rest of them had to settle for some new name? Hardly a big enough motive for murder.
I think the name had real importance, in terms of building on what they had already achieved. Remember that Brian was carried for years after he had ceased to be productive, because they were afraid to make any changes that the fans might not accept. It was only when his continued membership would have completely derailed their progress, ie, prevented them from touring, that he was finally replaced.
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klrkcr
Why fire someone...and then party with them? Surely this would be a recipe for disaster,especially if alcohol is involved.
Exactly, that didn't make any sense. The woman says that Thorogood was in a terrible state (understandably) about being fired, but then he and Brian have dinner and go swimming together? Weird.
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Bliss
Choose the Putlocker link; it's good.
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klrkcr
Why fire someone...and then party with them? Surely this would be a recipe for disaster,especially if alcohol is involved.
Exactly, that didn't make any sense. The woman says that Thorogood was in a terrible state (understandably) about being fired, but then he and Brian have dinner and go swimming together? Weird.
Jagger wasn't the only one who heard that. There are plenty of people who confirm that Brian was active (in one way or another) and tried to get a new band together.Quote
Redhotcarpet
He would never have started a new band, that was just something he said to Jagger to look more independent and strong. The truth is he did not survive more than two weeks after being fired from the band that once was his baby. Sacked by Mick and the guy who now was having a baby with Anita Pallenberg. He did not want to be sacked, it must have been a nightmare but right then he might have felt a relief cause he didnt need to make excuses for not turning up to the studio where Mick and Keith ran things like a duo and where Keith and a pregnant Anita soon would be congratulated. No way Brian Jones would stand that kind of torture and therefore he had no choice but to be sacked and then try to live. Good luck with that. Thats why the suicide theory is not farfetched at all but at the same time Frank Thorogood could very well have killed Brian in a rage.
And Im sure Brian tried to fight for the rights to the name before and after being sacked. Fight means he knew he could not win but at least try to hold on to whats left of his band.
Brian ceased to be productive in mid 68 when the shit hit the fan with the second bust. The albums are proof enough for that and they never carried him for years. That's the usual negative campaigning from the glimmers. According to Brian himself he wanted to leave in 67 but was talked out of it by Mick. Heck, Mick even said in 67 that Brian was the best musician in the band. If he had ceased to be productive by then and they just carried him then why bother to give him that credit at all?Quote
Bliss
Remember that Brian was carried for years after he had ceased to be productive, because they were afraid to make any changes that the fans might not accept.
Woolley wanted to film some nude babes and Rawlings wanted to see his "sex, drugs and rock n roll"-vision of Brian on the big screen. It leaves out a lot and portrays a Brian I don't recognize from any of all the books, quotes and articles I've read. A horrible person that noone can like. Good scenography though.Quote
Bliss
The film was not well-received but I think every RS fan will get some value from seeing it, just to help visualise the settings of the events in question.
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tonterapiJagger wasn't the only one who heard that. There are plenty of people who confirm that Brian was active (in one way or another) and tried to get a new band together.Quote
Redhotcarpet
He would never have started a new band, that was just something he said to Jagger to look more independent and strong. The truth is he did not survive more than two weeks after being fired from the band that once was his baby. Sacked by Mick and the guy who now was having a baby with Anita Pallenberg. He did not want to be sacked, it must have been a nightmare but right then he might have felt a relief cause he didnt need to make excuses for not turning up to the studio where Mick and Keith ran things like a duo and where Keith and a pregnant Anita soon would be congratulated. No way Brian Jones would stand that kind of torture and therefore he had no choice but to be sacked and then try to live. Good luck with that. Thats why the suicide theory is not farfetched at all but at the same time Frank Thorogood could very well have killed Brian in a rage.
And Im sure Brian tried to fight for the rights to the name before and after being sacked. Fight means he knew he could not win but at least try to hold on to whats left of his band.
Although suicide can't be ruled out totally. I find your reasons weird because they don't mix with what those who met or lived with Brian during that time has to say.Brian ceased to be productive in mid 68 when the shit hit the fan with the second bust. The albums are proof enough for that and they never carried him for years. That's the usual negative campaigning from the glimmers. According to Brian himself he wanted to leave in 67 but was talked out of it by Mick. Heck, Mick even said in 67 that Brian was the best musician in the band. If he had ceased to be productive by then and they just carried him then why bother to give him that credit at all?Quote
Bliss
Remember that Brian was carried for years after he had ceased to be productive, because they were afraid to make any changes that the fans might not accept.
They had major issues on a personal and professional level. But Brian stayed loyal on the musical level although he didn't always share the vision they (Oldham, Jagger, Richards) had for the band. In 68 there were issues on all levels that couldn't be solved.Woolley wanted to film some nude babes and Rawlings wanted to see his "sex, drugs and rock n roll"-vision of Brian on the big screen. It leaves out a lot and portrays a Brian I don't recognize from any of all the books, quotes and articles I've read. A horrible person that noone can like. Good scenography though.Quote
Bliss
The film was not well-received but I think every RS fan will get some value from seeing it, just to help visualise the settings of the events in question.
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tonterapiJagger wasn't the only one who heard that. There are plenty of people who confirm that Brian was active (in one way or another) and tried to get a new band together.Quote
Redhotcarpet
He would never have started a new band, that was just something he said to Jagger to look more independent and strong. The truth is he did not survive more than two weeks after being fired from the band that once was his baby. Sacked by Mick and the guy who now was having a baby with Anita Pallenberg. He did not want to be sacked, it must have been a nightmare but right then he might have felt a relief cause he didnt need to make excuses for not turning up to the studio where Mick and Keith ran things like a duo and where Keith and a pregnant Anita soon would be congratulated. No way Brian Jones would stand that kind of torture and therefore he had no choice but to be sacked and then try to live. Good luck with that. Thats why the suicide theory is not farfetched at all but at the same time Frank Thorogood could very well have killed Brian in a rage.
And Im sure Brian tried to fight for the rights to the name before and after being sacked. Fight means he knew he could not win but at least try to hold on to whats left of his band.
Although suicide can't be ruled out totally. I find your reasons weird because they don't mix with what those who met or lived with Brian during that time has to say.Brian ceased to be productive in mid 68 when the shit hit the fan with the second bust. The albums are proof enough for that and they never carried him for years. That's the usual negative campaigning from the glimmers. According to Brian himself he wanted to leave in 67 but was talked out of it by Mick. Heck, Mick even said in 67 that Brian was the best musician in the band. If he had ceased to be productive by then and they just carried him then why bother to give him that credit at all?Quote
Bliss
Remember that Brian was carried for years after he had ceased to be productive, because they were afraid to make any changes that the fans might not accept.
They had major issues on a personal and professional level. But Brian stayed loyal on the musical level although he didn't always share the vision they (Oldham, Jagger, Richards) had for the band. In 68 there were issues on all levels that couldn't be solved.Woolley wanted to film some nude babes and Rawlings wanted to see his "sex, drugs and rock n roll"-vision of Brian on the big screen. It leaves out a lot and portrays a Brian I don't recognize from any of all the books, quotes and articles I've read. A horrible person that noone can like. Good scenography though.Quote
Bliss
The film was not well-received but I think every RS fan will get some value from seeing it, just to help visualise the settings of the events in question.
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mickschix
Brian had become an albatross around the bands' neck with all of his drug convictions...they wouldn't be able to tour with Brian in the band! End of story...he had to be fred. Watching Goddards' film " One Plus One-Sympathy For The Devil" can be boring but it's also very telling...Brian slumped in a corner of the studio, unable to move, let alone play...He was a liability by then, useless to them.