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was the released version recorded a yaer or something earlier? The Clapton version is from 1970, right?

Both versions were absolutely most probably recorded in December 1969, despite of what Zentgraf or bootleg-artwork says

My argument for why I think the released version is far superior to the Clapton one is that it captures probably better than ever the majestic Rolling Stones groove, and the band effort made by Keith, Bill and Charlie. It doesn't need any 'cake icing' like those slide guitars of Clapton, which I think just interrupts the groove and unnecessarily fill the space with too many notes, and thereby not giving enough room for the terrific backing track to breath. This is a hypnotic dance song. I wholeheeartly respect the judgment of the Twins to do release the song as it is. Even the decision to use the sax as solo was a spot on artistic choice by giving a nice contrast to the terrific groove. No need for any guitar heroes in this track. This an essential Rolling Stones song.

- Doxa



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was the released version recorded a yaer or something earlier? The Clapton version is from 1970, right?

Both versions were absolutely most probably recorded in December 1969, despite of what Zentgraf or bootleg-artwork says

Okay, thanks. But still the 'original' (released one) was recorded earlier during the American Tour and this one afterwards 'back home' in Keith's birthday.

- Doxa

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was the released version recorded a yaer or something earlier? The Clapton version is from 1970, right?

Both versions were absolutely most probably recorded in December 1969, despite of what Zentgraf or bootleg-artwork says

Okay, thanks. But still the 'original' (released one) was recorded earlier during the American Tour and this one afterwards 'back home' in Keith's birthday.

- Doxa

The Clapton version was recorded in London 18 days after the US tour ended, but 12 days after Altamont.

I don't hear the two guitars overlapping either. In the panning, and maybe on the assigned track too, the solo takes the place of the slide. On such a rough recording why would they even take the slide completely out, unless it is a punch-in?

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A nice curiosity but pales in comparison to the released one, which is simply a perfect recording made in a right place in a right moment.

Richards is funnily still working on the open riff (was the released version recorded a yaer or something earlier? The Clapton version is from 1970, right?). Very close to the way he would open the 1972/73 shows.

- Doxa

I've often wondered why Keith puts that extra note in the riff in some early live performances of the song. I'd love to see tablature comparing the fretting of the two versions.

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A nice curiosity but pales in comparison to the released one, which is simply a perfect recording made in a right place in a right moment.

Richards is funnily still working on the open riff (was the released version recorded a yaer or something earlier? The Clapton version is from 1970, right?). Very close to the way he would open the 1972/73 shows.

- Doxa

I've often wondered why Keith puts that extra note in the riff in some early live performances of the song. I'd love to see tablature comparing the fretting of the two versions.

He might have done it on the original studio recording as well. If his start was sloppy or a bit out of time, they could perfectly well have deleted the beginning of his riff...

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was the released version recorded a yaer or something earlier? The Clapton version is from 1970, right?

Both versions were absolutely most probably recorded in December 1969, despite of what Zentgraf or bootleg-artwork says

Okay, thanks. But still the 'original' (released one) was recorded earlier during the American Tour and this one afterwards 'back home' in Keith's birthday.

- Doxa

The Clapton version was recorded in London 18 days after the US tour ended, but 12 days after Altamont.

No, that's not true, the Clapton version WAS recorded in 1970, not 1969. This is confirmed by Chris Kimsey who engineered. And, in the song there's various parts that where only developed during the overdub sessions in March/April 1970 like the sax solo, and the Richards rhythm guitar that has developed on the 1970 tour. This version simply can not be from 1969.

Mathijs

Yes, this version comes from december 18, 1970, not 1969...

This was also confirmed by Keith himself but I don't remember where...

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Yes, this version comes from december 18, 1970, not 1969...

This was also confirmed by Keith himself but I don't remember where...

No, not Dec 18th, Clapton was elsewhere that day I read somewhere

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was the released version recorded a yaer or something earlier? The Clapton version is from 1970, right?

Both versions were absolutely most probably recorded in December 1969, despite of what Zentgraf or bootleg-artwork says

Okay, thanks. But still the 'original' (released one) was recorded earlier during the American Tour and this one afterwards 'back home' in Keith's birthday.

- Doxa

The Clapton version was recorded in London 18 days after the US tour ended, but 12 days after Altamont.

No, that's not true, the Clapton version WAS recorded in 1970, not 1969. This is confirmed by Chris Kimsey who engineered. And, in the song there's various parts that where only developed during the overdub sessions in March/April 1970 like the sax solo, and the Richards rhythm guitar that has developed on the 1970 tour. This version simply can not be from 1969.

Mathijs

Aha, thanks for that

My bad, it was indeed recorded 18 December 1970, according to (the always trustworthy) Wikipedia:

"An alternative version was recorded on 18 December 1970, at Olympic Studios in London, after (or during) a birthday party for Richards. It features appearances by Al Kooper on piano, and Eric Clapton on slide guitar.

The alternative version is widely available on bootleg recordings. Richards considered releasing this version on Sticky Fingers, mostly for its more spontaneous atmosphere, but decided on the original".



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My bad, it was indeed recorded 18 December 1970, according to (the always trustworthy) Wikipedia:

Wikipedia gets their "facts" from other lists, doesn't make it true. CLapton wasn't in London at that time in 1970

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I never heard this before to be honest. Clapton on slide guitar, Al Kooper on piano. I think the begining is better than the more popular version, but it isn't mixed that well. The saxes make the song sound too busy.

Vastly inferior. Everything Micks vocals, the tempo, the guitars.

Keith is playing it the way he played it live for years later.

The beauty of the original is the CHUG - CHUG... first two chords.. C then G... played hard with one stroke each.

On this it's DA-CHUG CHUG... Keith started doing DA-CHUG CHUG live later and that always irritated me.

A small thing but important in my opionion.

The sparsh hard C G opening on the original is the greatest opening of any Rock and Roll record ever.

In my opinion of course. (Johnny B Goode would give it a run for its money though).

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My bad, it was indeed recorded 18 December 1970, according to (the always trustworthy) Wikipedia:

Wikipedia gets their "facts" from other lists, doesn't make it true. CLapton wasn't in London at that time in 1970

Irony, Erik

AND: It might very well be that the song was recorded on Keith's Birthday party, and that the party was celebrated on another date than Keith's actual birthday - so, if you know that Clapton was a different place that day, the song was probably recorded on a different date.



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My bad, it was indeed recorded 18 December 1970, according to (the always trustworthy) Wikipedia:

Wikipedia gets their "facts" from other lists, doesn't make it true. CLapton wasn't in London at that time in 1970

Irony, Erik

AND: It might very well be that the song was recorded on Keith's Birthday party, and that the party was celebrated on another date than Keith's actual birthday - so, if you know that Clapton was a different place that day, the song was probably recorded on a different date.

Can't remember the source for Clapton not being there, actually, so I'm out of the debate



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Clapton supposedly went back to London after the Dominoes tour ended in december 1970, and retreated to France in early 1971.

Mathijs