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Re: Guitar question: inexpensive second guitars - need advice
Posted by: batonrouge75 ()
Date: May 15, 2012 00:23

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]\ why don't you just get that Hummingbird fixed?[/i] It is easily done in the hand of a competent luthier these days. Guitars are meant for playing not sitting around waiting for your kids to inherit them or fall to disuse because they are too valuable to play. It's your life man, enjoy those vintage instruments while you still can!

peace

I love my Hummingbird. It has a about an 8-inch crack. Actually it looks more like a protrusion because its slightly raised. Im guessing its heat damage. But I'm cautious to just take it to just anybody.
Is that even fixable?

It is not that rare damage, you see it on lots of late 60's and '70's Gibson's. You can have it easily fixed for the same amount of money as buying a cheap acoustic, and many luthiers (especially in the US) can do it. There's a bunch of good luthiers in Austin for example.

I would fix the Hummingbird, and play it every day. It is a fantastic instrument, but not vintage are interesting to collectors -it really is a player. Value when in perfect nick is max $2000, most go for around $1500. Play it and enjoy it!

Mathijs

I agree with Mathijs. I have a 1965 Hummingbird and it is a fantastic guitar. I play it everyday. When it needs adjusting or repairs I take it to Ray's Heart of Texas Music in Austin, TX. Their guitar tech John is the only person I would allow to work on that guitar and my 1954 Tele.

Re: Guitar question: inexpensive second guitars - need advice
Posted by: stupidguy2 ()
Date: May 15, 2012 00:42

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]\ why don't you just get that Hummingbird fixed?[/i] It is easily done in the hand of a competent luthier these days. Guitars are meant for playing not sitting around waiting for your kids to inherit them or fall to disuse because they are too valuable to play. It's your life man, enjoy those vintage instruments while you still can!

peace

I love my Hummingbird. It has a about an 8-inch crack. Actually it looks more like a protrusion because its slightly raised. Im guessing its heat damage. But I'm cautious to just take it to just anybody.
Is that even fixable?

It is not that rare damage, you see it on lots of late 60's and '70's Gibson's. You can have it easily fixed for the same amount of money as buying a cheap acoustic, and many luthiers (especially in the US) can do it. There's a bunch of good luthiers in Austin for example.

I would fix the Hummingbird, and play it every day. It is a fantastic instrument, but not vintage are interesting to collectors -it really is a player. Value when in perfect nick is max $2000, most go for around $1500. Play it and enjoy it!

Mathijs

I agree with Mathijs. I have a 1965 Hummingbird and it is a fantastic guitar. I play it everyday. When it needs adjusting or repairs I take it to Ray's Heart of Texas Music in Austin, TX. Their guitar tech John is the only person I would allow to work on that guitar and my 1954 Tele.

How do you date your Hummingbird. When I bought it, I was told 67-69, then another guy told me 71-73...
I've checked my serial number, but nothing is concrete.

Re: Guitar question: inexpensive second guitars - need advice
Posted by: jamesfdouglas ()
Date: May 15, 2012 00:44

Highway One Strat - made in USA, almost all-American parts - about $700.

[thepowergoats.com]

Re: Guitar question: inexpensive second guitars - need advice
Posted by: batonrouge75 ()
Date: May 15, 2012 01:15

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]\ why don't you just get that Hummingbird fixed?[/i] It is easily done in the hand of a competent luthier these days. Guitars are meant for playing not sitting around waiting for your kids to inherit them or fall to disuse because they are too valuable to play. It's your life man, enjoy those vintage instruments while you still can!

peace

I love my Hummingbird. It has a about an 8-inch crack. Actually it looks more like a protrusion because its slightly raised. Im guessing its heat damage. But I'm cautious to just take it to just anybody.
Is that even fixable?

It is not that rare damage, you see it on lots of late 60's and '70's Gibson's. You can have it easily fixed for the same amount of money as buying a cheap acoustic, and many luthiers (especially in the US) can do it. There's a bunch of good luthiers in Austin for example.

I would fix the Hummingbird, and play it every day. It is a fantastic instrument, but not vintage are interesting to collectors -it really is a player. Value when in perfect nick is max $2000, most go for around $1500. Play it and enjoy it!

Mathijs

I agree with Mathijs. I have a 1965 Hummingbird and it is a fantastic guitar. I play it everyday. When it needs adjusting or repairs I take it to Ray's Heart of Texas Music in Austin, TX. Their guitar tech John is the only person I would allow to work on that guitar and my 1954 Tele.

How do you date your Hummingbird. When I bought it, I was told 67-69, then another guy told me 71-73...
I've checked my serial number, but nothing is concrete.

My father bought it new in 1965 from a music store in Baton Rouge. I was with him when he bought it (I still have the original tags, original case and invoice). I sent the serial number to Gibson in the late 70's and they confirmed it was produced in 1965. If you send the serial number to Gibson they will tell you when it was made.

My 1965 Hummingbird is an awesome guitar.

Re: Guitar question: inexpensive second guitars - need advice
Posted by: Naturalust ()
Date: May 15, 2012 01:40

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]\ why don't you just get that Hummingbird fixed?[/i] It is easily done in the hand of a competent luthier these days. Guitars are meant for playing not sitting around waiting for your kids to inherit them or fall to disuse because they are too valuable to play. It's your life man, enjoy those vintage instruments while you still can!

peace

Thanks! What about Taylors? My niece wants a Taylor, and me, being old school, can't get past my love for Gibson and Martin to give my blessing.

I love my Hummingbird. It has a about an 8-inch crack. Actually it looks more like a protrusion because its slightly raised. Im guessing its heat damage. But I'm cautious to just take it to just anybody.
Is that even fixable?

You are talking to a guy who is pretty rough on instruments, I have broken guitars both completely along the soundboard and also completely along the sides, the whole instrument coming into two pieces almost.

The first was an ovation which I'll try to post pictures of when it was clamped up for the repair. Cant remember which site I used uploading pictures but check a bit later and I'll add it. It will bring a smile to your face. Like the intensive care unit for guitars...clamps everywhere...

The second was my #1 Taylor acoustic which was like a favorite son or maybe more to me. I was in shock really, took the thing down to Sylvan Music in Santa Cruz CA, and Al and Gregg the two luthiers put it back together perfectly nicely and sturdily. actually put another row of those flexible wooden tiny lines of bracing that you see when you look in the guitar where the back meets the sides. The best part is that they are good and loving about it that they changed the sound in a most wonderful way, I'm pretty picky about acoustic sound and yes they did me a grand job in that repair. Charged me a very reasonable fee too.

They routinely do stuff like neck resets which require breaking necks off old Martins. Serious luthiery. peace

YES your guitar can be fixed..... peace



Thanks! What about Taylors? My niece wants a Taylor, and me, being old school, can't get past my allegiance to Gibson and Martin enough to give my blessing.

Taylors are getting better and better and they wear well to become grand vintage instruments too. Mine is a 1999 510-AB which is a drednaught style with abalone inlay, I've put pick ups mics and gotoh tuners on it because I play it most often. It's been a joy. Sounds vintage probably because of all the wear, check the to YouTube in 30 minutes thread and listen to that, it's the Taylor.

What's really impressive are the new Taylor electrics. I played one last week and was in the uncomfortable position of really pining for something for a long long time. lol They are sweet, play like electrics but set up like acoustics and switchable very usuable tones. Loved them.

The main thing is to play the different guitars before you buy, if you could just be handed different guitars blindfolded and not see the cost you might be amazed at what guitar speaks to you....I always believed they found you somehow and not the other way around. Mathijs has great advice I have read here too above. Good luck. peace

Re: Guitar question: inexpensive second guitars - need advice
Posted by: Mathijs ()
Date: May 15, 2012 09:17

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]\ why don't you just get that Hummingbird fixed?[/i] It is easily done in the hand of a competent luthier these days. Guitars are meant for playing not sitting around waiting for your kids to inherit them or fall to disuse because they are too valuable to play. It's your life man, enjoy those vintage instruments while you still can!

peace

I love my Hummingbird. It has a about an 8-inch crack. Actually it looks more like a protrusion because its slightly raised. Im guessing its heat damage. But I'm cautious to just take it to just anybody.
Is that even fixable?

It is not that rare damage, you see it on lots of late 60's and '70's Gibson's. You can have it easily fixed for the same amount of money as buying a cheap acoustic, and many luthiers (especially in the US) can do it. There's a bunch of good luthiers in Austin for example.

I would fix the Hummingbird, and play it every day. It is a fantastic instrument, but not vintage are interesting to collectors -it really is a player. Value when in perfect nick is max $2000, most go for around $1500. Play it and enjoy it!

Mathijs

I agree with Mathijs. I have a 1965 Hummingbird and it is a fantastic guitar. I play it everyday. When it needs adjusting or repairs I take it to Ray's Heart of Texas Music in Austin, TX. Their guitar tech John is the only person I would allow to work on that guitar and my 1954 Tele.

How do you date your Hummingbird. When I bought it, I was told 67-69, then another guy told me 71-73...
I've checked my serial number, but nothing is concrete.

The combination of the number on the headstock and the serial number on the label inside the guitar gives the date. There are some overlapping years though, and then the appointments of the guitar give further indication. If you give both numbers I can date the guitar for you.

Mathijs

Re: Guitar question: inexpensive second guitars - need advice
Posted by: Big Al ()
Date: May 15, 2012 12:34

IMO, the Squire Classic Vibe sereis are very good. I have a Classic Vibe '50s Telecaster. For a £220.00 guitar, it's damn impressive.

Re: Guitar question: inexpensive second guitars - need advice
Posted by: WeLoveYou ()
Date: May 15, 2012 14:44

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IMO, the Squire Classic Vibe sereis are very good. I have a Classic Vibe '50s Telecaster. For a £220.00 guitar, it's damn impressive.

I have a Squier Classic Vibe Jazz Bass and it's billiant. It has that jazz bass sound and it's very well made. The neck joint is perfect, and it has very low old style frets - which is the reason I bought it (I can't stand high frets on basses or guitars) as it was cheaper than an equivalent Fender with low frets, about half the price.

Re: Guitar question: inexpensive second guitars - need advice
Posted by: audun-eg ()
Date: May 15, 2012 15:51

If you want a backup Tele, check out the mexican Baja Telecaster. Bang for the buck if you ask me, and there shouldn't be a problem finding one on the second hand market either.

[www.reverbnation.com]

Re: Guitar question: inexpensive second guitars - need advice
Posted by: stupidguy2 ()
Date: May 15, 2012 18:32

How do you tell if an Epiphone hollow-body has American/Gibson parts? Because that would be the deciding factor for me. This might be the way to go for me. The John Lennon Casino looks real nice.



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Re: Guitar question: inexpensive second guitars - need advice
Posted by: Mathijs ()
Date: May 15, 2012 20:58

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How do you tell if an Epiphone hollow-body has American/Gibson parts? Because that would be the deciding factor for me. This might be the way to go for me. The John Lennon Casino looks real nice.

Very simple. No Epiphone has American parts! All Epi's since 2002 are built in China, before that in Korea. Some models are built in Japan, Chech Republic and Indonesia. There's just a very few models built in the US, and that's the limited acoustic series of Texan and Frontier. The John Lennon Casino was built in Japan.

But if it's a deciding factor for you...about each and every part of any standard Gibson or Fender is made outside the USA, and in the case of Fender most guitars of the standard line are made outside of the USA -the wood is non-American, cut and shaped in Japan or Mexico, lacquered and painted in Mexico, then brought in to the USA and assembled. Only Custom Shop Fender instruments are truly American.

Mathijs

Re: Guitar question: inexpensive second guitars - need advice
Posted by: Naturalust ()
Date: May 15, 2012 23:11

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Only Custom Shop Fender instruments are truly American.

Mathijs

What? C'mon now that is a braod statement and many guitar makers would have to disagree with you there.

In fact I have a beautiful Custom Shop Fender Stratocaster that was made in Japan..yes, of course before they closed down that shop for alledgedly producing better instruments than the American Custom shop, or that's what I heard. It is a piece of art and plays like a dream.

Stupidguy2 here is the picture I promised you of my Ovation Legend in the intensive care unit at Sylvan Music in Santa Cruz, CA. It is now healthy and plays like it did before the accident. Thanks Al (and Gregg). peace



Re: Guitar question: inexpensive second guitars - need advice
Posted by: Mathijs ()
Date: May 15, 2012 23:54

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Only Custom Shop Fender instruments are truly American.

Mathijs

What? C'mon now that is a braod statement and many guitar makers would have to disagree with you there.

In fact I have a beautiful Custom Shop Fender Stratocaster that was made in Japan..yes, of course before they closed down that shop for alledgedly producing better instruments than the American Custom shop, or that's what I heard. It is a piece of art and plays like a dream.

The Japanese Custom Shop, that’s a difficult one…In about 87 or so, Fender set up the Custom Shop in the US, and in parallel in Japan. The US CS shop was set up mostly to compete with all the US luthiers offering ‘pre-CBS’ hand-made instruments, and that to date basically still is what the CS is set up to do.

The Japanese CS is somewhat different though. The instruments are not hand built, but assembled from (Japanese) parts mostly to resemble famous instruments, like Richards Macawbre Tele. So, the CS instruments are quite equal to standard Fender Japan instruments, but the specs are corresponding to famous instruments.

This CS was never closed down, as it never really existed. What you mean is that Fender US stopped importing Japanese instruments to the US and exporting them from Japan to Europe in about ’86, as the quality of the Japanese instruments was better than the US instruments. That actually has lasted until the early 2000’s, when Fender made a move to only assemble instruments in the US, and actually produce the parts outside of the US.

As a hint: did you know that by law in California, nitrocellulose is not allowed to be used for mass produced instruments? So all Fender instruments from the standard line that are painted with nitro lacquer are shipped to Mexico to be painted, and shipped back the US for assembly. Another trick is (or was, that is unclear) to spray paint all instruments with a base layer of poly, and add a thin layer of less than 10% of nitro -sufficient to call it a nitro layer. All the Vintage American instruments have this finish.

Mathijs

Re: Guitar question: inexpensive second guitars - need advice
Posted by: open-g ()
Date: May 16, 2012 00:00

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How do you tell if an Epiphone hollow-body has American/Gibson parts? Because that would be the deciding factor for me. This might be the way to go for me. The John Lennon Casino looks real nice.

Very simple. No Epiphone has American parts! All Epi's since 2002 are built in China, before that in Korea. Some models are built in Japan, Chech Republic and Indonesia. There's just a very few models built in the US, and that's the limited acoustic series of Texan and Frontier. The John Lennon Casino was built in Japan.

But if it's a deciding factor for you...about each and every part of any standard Gibson or Fender is made outside the USA, and in the case of Fender most guitars of the standard line are made outside of the USA -the wood is non-American, cut and shaped in Japan or Mexico, lacquered and painted in Mexico, then brought in to the USA and assembled. Only Custom Shop Fender instruments are truly American.

Mathijs

That ain't right - I'll just quote a guy who did the Corona California tour:

>>The Corona, CA factory does All MIA instruments, all Fender Custom Shop, Jackson, Charvel, and Gretsch custom shop instruments as well, though the other brands weren't represented much on the tour. Found out the Corona plant does most of the pickguards, and necks for Ensenada up to the shape & fret stage. Then Mexico will do their own final sanding and finishing.

Overall I was pretty impressed with the factory. There was quite a bit of hand work - once the bodies and necks are rough-finished by the CNC tooling everything else is pretty much done by hand. Someone asked directly what the differences are between MIM & MIA for example, and aside from hardware, one big difference is the piece-count for bodies: MIA are typically no more than 3 piece bodies, but can be 4 for solid colors. MIM can be up to 7 we were told.<<

[www.tdpri.com]

btw, Fender has a new line of "Modern Player Series" which are made in China. (not my cup o'tea)
but another vote on the Squier Classic Vibe 50s series. I have two, great guitars, very affordable.

Re: Guitar question: inexpensive second guitars - need advice
Posted by: Mathijs ()
Date: May 16, 2012 00:18

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How do you tell if an Epiphone hollow-body has American/Gibson parts? Because that would be the deciding factor for me. This might be the way to go for me. The John Lennon Casino looks real nice.

Very simple. No Epiphone has American parts! All Epi's since 2002 are built in China, before that in Korea. Some models are built in Japan, Chech Republic and Indonesia. There's just a very few models built in the US, and that's the limited acoustic series of Texan and Frontier. The John Lennon Casino was built in Japan.

But if it's a deciding factor for you...about each and every part of any standard Gibson or Fender is made outside the USA, and in the case of Fender most guitars of the standard line are made outside of the USA -the wood is non-American, cut and shaped in Japan or Mexico, lacquered and painted in Mexico, then brought in to the USA and assembled. Only Custom Shop Fender instruments are truly American.

Mathijs

That ain't right - I'll just quote a guy who did the Corona California tour:

>>The Corona, CA factory does All MIA instruments, all Fender Custom Shop, Jackson, Charvel, and Gretsch custom shop instruments as well, though the other brands weren't represented much on the tour. Found out the Corona plant does most of the pickguards, and necks for Ensenada up to the shape & fret stage. Then Mexico will do their own final sanding and finishing.

Overall I was pretty impressed with the factory. There was quite a bit of hand work - once the bodies and necks are rough-finished by the CNC tooling everything else is pretty much done by hand. Someone asked directly what the differences are between MIM & MIA for example, and aside from hardware, one big difference is the piece-count for bodies: MIA are typically no more than 3 piece bodies, but can be 4 for solid colors. MIM can be up to 7 we were told.<<

[www.tdpri.com]

Er, this is exactly what I am saying: necks are made in the US, shipped to Mexico for the finish, and shipped back to the US for assembly.

Mathijs

Re: Guitar question: inexpensive second guitars - need advice
Posted by: open-g ()
Date: May 16, 2012 00:31

No, you said:
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...about each and every part of any standard Gibson or Fender is made outside the USA...
and that indeed is a broad statement and not true.

check out this slidesho of the Corona factory:
[www.pbase.com]

you're probably right about the nitro spaying I suppose.

Re: Guitar question: inexpensive second guitars - need advice
Posted by: dadrob ()
Date: May 16, 2012 00:37

I saw a nice MIM Strat for under $300 at The Music Store (on Irving park rd) in Chicago......those are very under rated guitars.....I really like my Martin 00015 for fingerpicking etc. lots of small retainers are suffering right now so great deals are everywhere. I just picked up a few stomp boxes from a store that is going out of business in Texas...Tone Factor,

Re: Guitar question: inexpensive second guitars - need advice
Posted by: Mathijs ()
Date: May 16, 2012 00:39

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...about each and every part of any standard Gibson or Fender is made outside the USA...
and that indeed is a broad statement and not true.

check out this slidesho of the Corona factory:
[www.pbase.com]

you're probably right about the nitro spaying I suppose.

Sorry, I meant parts as in tuners, bridges and pickups. Neck and body is not 'parts' to me.

Mathijs

Re: Guitar question: inexpensive second guitars - need advice
Posted by: terraplane ()
Date: May 16, 2012 00:50

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Very simple. No Epiphone has American parts!


Mathijs

Eh? I think you'll find the made in China Inspired By JL Casinos, the 60s tribute Les Pauls and the Bonamassa Gold Top all sport made in America pickups, pots and switches.

Re: Guitar question: inexpensive second guitars - need advice
Posted by: stupidguy2 ()
Date: May 16, 2012 00:58

I was told that the EPs, while assembled and manufactured in Japan or Korea, contain some American features, parts....

Re: Guitar question: inexpensive second guitars - need advice
Posted by: open-g ()
Date: May 16, 2012 03:29

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...about each and every part of any standard Gibson or Fender is made outside the USA...
and that indeed is a broad statement and not true.

check out this slidesho of the Corona factory:
[www.pbase.com]

you're probably right about the nitro spaying I suppose.

Sorry, I meant parts as in tuners, bridges and pickups. Neck and body is not 'parts' to me.

Mathijs

That's also debatable winking smiley
tuners - Fender never made their own. first it was Kluson, then Schaller, Gotoh and Ping.
bridges - they still make the vintage ones in Corona.
the modern style bridges are imported Gotoh's.




pickups are also made by Fender in the U.S. not all of the variety and depending on the guitar model of course.
in the TDPRI link above you can see Abygail still at the job about 50 years later.

neck and body were designd by Leo to be inter-changeable bolt-on parts.
if you have a problem with the neck of a new Fender under warranty they will replace it with an original new one. not a licensed by Fender.
ok, I don't want to be nitpickin' here - just saying, also debatable spinning smiley sticking its tongue out

Re: Guitar question: inexpensive second guitars - need advice
Posted by: rocker1 ()
Date: May 16, 2012 04:16

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]\ why don't you just get that Hummingbird fixed?[/i] It is easily done in the hand of a competent luthier these days. Guitars are meant for playing not sitting around waiting for your kids to inherit them or fall to disuse because they are too valuable to play. It's your life man, enjoy those vintage instruments while you still can!

peace

Thanks! What about Taylors? My niece wants a Taylor, and me, being old school, can't get past my love for Gibson and Martin to give my blessing.

I love my Hummingbird. It has a about an 8-inch crack. Actually it looks more like a protrusion because its slightly raised. Im guessing its heat damage. But I'm cautious to just take it to just anybody.
Is that even fixable?

You are talking to a guy who is pretty rough on instruments, I have broken guitars both completely along the soundboard and also completely along the sides, the whole instrument coming into two pieces almost.

The first was an ovation which I'll try to post pictures of when it was clamped up for the repair. Cant remember which site I used uploading pictures but check a bit later and I'll add it. It will bring a smile to your face. Like the intensive care unit for guitars...clamps everywhere...

The second was my #1 Taylor acoustic which was like a favorite son or maybe more to me. I was in shock really, took the thing down to Sylvan Music in Santa Cruz CA, and Al and Gregg the two luthiers put it back together perfectly nicely and sturdily. actually put another row of those flexible wooden tiny lines of bracing that you see when you look in the guitar where the back meets the sides. The best part is that they are good and loving about it that they changed the sound in a most wonderful way, I'm pretty picky about acoustic sound and yes they did me a grand job in that repair. Charged me a very reasonable fee too.

They routinely do stuff like neck resets which require breaking necks off old Martins. Serious luthiery. peace

YES your guitar can be fixed..... peace



Thanks! What about Taylors? My niece wants a Taylor, and me, being old school, can't get past my allegiance to Gibson and Martin enough to give my blessing.

Taylors are getting better and better and they wear well to become grand vintage instruments too. Mine is a 1999 510-AB which is a drednaught style with abalone inlay, I've put pick ups mics and gotoh tuners on it because I play it most often. It's been a joy. Sounds vintage probably because of all the wear, check the to YouTube in 30 minutes thread and listen to that, it's the Taylor.

What's really impressive are the new Taylor electrics. I played one last week and was in the uncomfortable position of really pining for something for a long long time. lol They are sweet, play like electrics but set up like acoustics and switchable very usuable tones. Loved them.

The main thing is to play the different guitars before you buy, if you could just be handed different guitars blindfolded and not see the cost you might be amazed at what guitar speaks to you....I always believed they found you somehow and not the other way around. Mathijs has great advice I have read here too above. Good luck. peace


Those new Taylor electrics look absolutely wonderful. Everything about them just screams quality, and attention to detail. They actually seem to be a significant new twist on the usual electric options. But they really don't fall into the category of "inexpensive second guitars." For vibe and decent possibilities at the price point, I'd suggest the Fender Squier Vintage Modified Telecaster, which has me more than a little intrigued!:

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See the link below for the specs...I think that P90-ish Jazzmaster pickup in the neck has potential...and I love the Stratish headstock here, too. (I say "Stratish" because it's a Jazzmaster headstock, and if you can tell the difference between that and a Strat headstock from a distance over 3 feet, you're a better man than I am!)

Fender Squier Vintage Modified Telecaster
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[Caveat: I do not own this guitar...but it's been tempting me as an option for an "inexpensive second guitar" (they are easily found for $299). I'd much prefer the Taylor electrics...but that's a first guitar with my budget!]

Re: Guitar question: inexpensive second guitars - need advice
Date: May 16, 2012 08:54

Saw Joe Ely playing an electric Taylor. Mostly used the acoustic setting, but he sure got some good tone out of the electric part when he used it.

Rocker1: Never seen one of those squier teles, but the neck p'up looks mighty interesting. Really would like a Jazzmaster, but can't afford one right now.

But another thing on MIM Fenders.... If the American made thing really bothers you, you could still buy a MIM, and gradually buy American parts on Ebay, or something. Requiers some patience, but don't all good things?

See if you can find one of those old Stratocasters with a satin finish. I picked up one from a pawnshop, and I love it. Might put in some MIA p'ups, though.

Re: Guitar question: inexpensive second guitars - need advice
Posted by: Mathijs ()
Date: May 16, 2012 10:31

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...about each and every part of any standard Gibson or Fender is made outside the USA...
and that indeed is a broad statement and not true.

check out this slidesho of the Corona factory:
[www.pbase.com]

you're probably right about the nitro spaying I suppose.

Sorry, I meant parts as in tuners, bridges and pickups. Neck and body is not 'parts' to me.

Mathijs

That's also debatable winking smiley
tuners - Fender never made their own. first it was Kluson, then Schaller, Gotoh and Ping.
bridges - they still make the vintage ones in Corona.
the modern style bridges are imported Gotoh's.




pickups are also made by Fender in the U.S. not all of the variety and depending on the guitar model of course.
in the TDPRI link above you can see Abygail still at the job about 50 years later.

neck and body were designd by Leo to be inter-changeable bolt-on parts.
if you have a problem with the neck of a new Fender under warranty they will replace it with an original new one. not a licensed by Fender.
ok, I don't want to be nitpickin' here - just saying, also debatable spinning smiley sticking its tongue out

Well...

Kluson was American until the late 60's, now it is a licensed name put on gear made in China, Korea and Indonesia. Schaller is German (but also llicensed to Gotoh), Gotoh is Japanese, Grover tuners are made in China.

The Fender 'American' pickups are made in Mexico from Chinese magnets and American copper wire. The Abygail pickups are only used on Custom Shop guitars, which indeed are mostly American: pickups, bridge, wood and lacquer are American, tuners are Chinese and Japanese. Even then: the bridge of a CS Strat is made of saddles made in the USA, fitted on a block made in Mexico.

As far as I am aware, the only American mass produced parts factory is Waverly, but I understand Waverly licensed parts are also made by Gotoh in Japan.

Sure everything is debatable, but Fender is really trying hard to be an 'all American brand', whereas most instruments are actually mostly assembled in the US. It simply is not possible anymore to mass produce a guitar, which has a lot of hand work, for $1000 in a western country like the US.

Mathijs

Re: Guitar question: inexpensive second guitars - need advice
Posted by: 71Tele ()
Date: May 16, 2012 19:05

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Max'sKansasCity
Would this be a good time to remind everyone with wooden accoutics to re dampen your sponge thingys.... .

I beg your pardon? winking smiley

Re: Guitar question: inexpensive second guitars - need advice
Posted by: Max'sKansasCity ()
Date: May 16, 2012 19:15

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71Tele
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Max'sKansasCity
Would this be a good time to remind everyone with wooden accoutics to re dampen your sponge thingys.... .

I beg your pardon? winking smiley

These type of things.. they keep accoutics from drying out too much... but you gotta keep maintained.




Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2012-05-16 19:16 by Max'sKansasCity.

Re: Guitar question: inexpensive second guitars - need advice
Posted by: Naturalust ()
Date: May 16, 2012 19:23

wow I really love this site and not just because of the Stones, contributors to this thread are one of the reasons. Mathijs, you never cease to amaze me when talking about guitars and it puts a smile on my face everytime. You can tell you are passionate about the details. I just hope you are wrong about Keith and the band. lol

The collective information here on IORR about guitars, their manufacture and playability is staggering. Thanks all. peace

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