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stonesrule, no worries! we all have our own style and ways of expressing ourselves, different backgrounds, and sources for our opinions. I stand by what I said, albeit it's a little wispy blip of ephemera. As a generalization, I think it's fair to say, on whole, the Stones were more cosmopolitan than the Beatles--and lived a more decadent lifestyle, with a more varied cast of divrse characters. I am talking about each in their heyday of the '60s-70s.
-swiss
While Keith was quick to say that he'd never been with a guy in his autobiography, I've never -- for all his posturing -- heard him say anything derogatory against any group, ethnicity, sexuality, etc. I just don't think there's anything mean about Keith. If you believe Albert Goldman, John Lennon and Brian Epstein had sex once so that JL could "try it out."
In the 70's JL made some statement regarding his former chauvinistic attitudes, and also wrote songs like Woman is the "N" of the World. But, as in all things, Stones rule!
Ain't she stra-ya-yange?
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Re: different kinds of Stones fan- anyone else here trans, bi, gender-variant, genderqueer, etc.?
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stonesrule
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Date: May 2, 2012 04:23
Swiss, have to say that John had a number of gay friends and associates.
I would not call him "super homophobic." John could be sarcastic and cutting with words. It was the writer in him. But this was not the norm around good friends.
Think you're a little over the top there about your assessments of Keith and Mick. If you will excuse my saying so.
All the above characters were young, they learned as they went and faced the big world. None of them were essentially cruel.
I would not call him "super homophobic." John could be sarcastic and cutting with words. It was the writer in him. But this was not the norm around good friends.
Think you're a little over the top there about your assessments of Keith and Mick. If you will excuse my saying so.
All the above characters were young, they learned as they went and faced the big world. None of them were essentially cruel.
Re: different kinds of Stones fan- anyone else here trans, bi, gender-variant, genderqueer, etc.?
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swiss
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Date: May 2, 2012 04:30
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stonesrule
Swiss, have to say that John had a number of gay friends and associates.
I would not call him "super homophobic." John could be sarcastic and cutting with words. It was the writer in him. But this was not the norm around good friends.
Think you're a little over the top there about your assessments of Keith and Mick. If you will excuse my saying so.
All the above characters were young, they learned as they went and faced the big world. None of them were essentially cruel.
stonesrule, no worries! we all have our own style and ways of expressing ourselves, different backgrounds, and sources for our opinions. I stand by what I said, albeit it's a little wispy blip of ephemera. As a generalization, I think it's fair to say, on whole, the Stones were more cosmopolitan than the Beatles--and lived a more decadent lifestyle, with a more varied cast of divrse characters. I am talking about each in their heyday of the '60s-70s.
-swiss
Re: different kinds of Stones fan- anyone else here trans, bi, gender-variant, genderqueer, etc.?
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Date: May 2, 2012 05:15
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In that sense the Stones were always more inclusive than the Beatles. As you get older you realize how hard life is for most people, and it's sad to make someone's journey harder by criticizing them for their sexuality. More happiness to everyone, no matter how your inclination leans.
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Brilliant point! That never would have occurred to me. John---and I love him
probably more than any of the Stones, even Keith---was super homophobic, making
fag jokes much of his life. Probably would've mellowed, eventually. But you're
right. The more badass, rather unlikely Rolling Stones were more "live-and-let-live"
than the Beatles. I guess it does make sense, doesn't it? The Stones were from
London and were more cosmopolitan. Keith just never would climb up anyone's
nose for personal choices, and Mick would have considered it unseemly and grossly
unsophisticated to get bent out of shape about whether someone's gay or whose
clothes they dress in, etc. The Beatles saw a lot in Hamburg, for sure -- thank
god! to scrape off a lot of Liverpool's provincialism--and, on the whole, of course
wouldn't have been condemning of "alternative" ways of life but the Stones definitely
were more embracing of it, in a very cool way.
-swiss
While Keith was quick to say that he'd never been with a guy in his autobiography, I've never -- for all his posturing -- heard him say anything derogatory against any group, ethnicity, sexuality, etc. I just don't think there's anything mean about Keith. If you believe Albert Goldman, John Lennon and Brian Epstein had sex once so that JL could "try it out."
In the 70's JL made some statement regarding his former chauvinistic attitudes, and also wrote songs like Woman is the "N" of the World. But, as in all things, Stones rule!Re: different kinds of Stones fan- anyone else here trans, bi, gender-variant, genderqueer, etc.?
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Date: May 2, 2012 05:21
Re: different kinds of Stones fan- anyone else here trans, bi, gender-variant, genderqueer, etc.?
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stonesrule
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Date: May 2, 2012 07:52
Factually, from the early 60's on the Beatles were wealthy and living the high life in all aspects while the Stones were sweating it and still waiting for money owed them by Allen Klein. The Beatles may have been from Liverpool but they had "been around the block" one might say and though their accents were different from the Stones, the two groups had a lot in common. Dartford, for example, was not London by a long shot. These were two bands,good friends, evolving and learning about life. They had much in common, far more than any differences.
I'm making a point of this because I knew Lennon quite well in his "searching period" during the 70's and I was in his presence numerous times along with several well known homosexual men in the music business. He treated them with respect.
If he was still around, I'd probably say nothing. But John had a kind and sensitive side that should not go ignored.
I'm making a point of this because I knew Lennon quite well in his "searching period" during the 70's and I was in his presence numerous times along with several well known homosexual men in the music business. He treated them with respect.
If he was still around, I'd probably say nothing. But John had a kind and sensitive side that should not go ignored.
Re: different kinds of Stones fan- anyone else here trans, bi, gender-variant, genderqueer, etc.?
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Date: May 2, 2012 08:25
Those who started the androgyn thing must have been Marc Bolan and Bowie....even if a person like Little Richard had eye-liner much earlier...
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Re: different kinds of Stones fan- anyone else here trans, bi, gender-variant, genderqueer, etc.?
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Date: May 2, 2012 08:33
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Come On
Those who started the androgyn thing must have been Marc Bolan and Bowie....even if a person like Little Richard had eye-liner much earlier...
Ain't she stra-ya-yange?
Re: different kinds of Stones fan- anyone else here trans, bi, gender-variant, genderqueer, etc.?
Posted by:
swiss
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Date: May 8, 2012 13:01
By the way---not the it "matters" much---but someone from iorr emailed me today
and they asked if I'm a man or woman. In case it hasn't been clear, I'm a woman.
A straight [non-androgynous] woman.
- swiss
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2012-05-08 13:01 by swiss.
and they asked if I'm a man or woman. In case it hasn't been clear, I'm a woman.
A straight [non-androgynous] woman.
- swiss
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2012-05-08 13:01 by swiss.
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