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Will.I.Am gonna stick with Keefs collaboration with Tom Waits. Thank you kindly

Yes, the contrast in choices for collaborators speaks volumes. Keith, all is forgiven. At least you don't give us this kind of shit.

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Will.I.Am gonna stick with Keefs collaboration with Tom Waits. Thank you kindly

Yes, the contrast in choices for collaborators speaks volumes. Keith, all is forgiven. At least you don't give us this kind of shit.

something amazing is that "bad as me" is tom waits first ever top ten album...

something even more amazing would be if will.i.am's forthcoming album does NOT
go top ten, which is suddenly a possibility, even if a remote one.

surprised no discussion yet on IORR about where "some girls" charts?

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Will.I.Am gonna stick with Keefs collaboration with Tom Waits. Thank you kindly

Yes, the contrast in choices for collaborators speaks volumes. Keith, all is forgiven. At least you don't give us this kind of shit.

something amazing is that "bad as me" is tom waits first ever top ten album...

something even more amazing would be if will.i.am's forthcoming album does NOT
go top ten, which is suddenly a possibility, even if a remote one.

surprised no discussion yet on IORR about where "some girls" charts?

Wow, Tom has a Top Ten? Good for him! will.i.am dropped a deuce with that track. Californication fans will get the reference.

(For educational purposes only. From a pop music blog for fans of
black eyed peas, britney, j-lo etc. The original post and ALL thirty-odd
replies, so there has been no editing for content, only length...)

Will.i.am releases horrible new single and announces hashtag album

Not too long ago I did a post about the leaked demo of the new Will.i.am single
with Jennifer Lopez and Mick Jagger, and I basically just ranted about what a
big pile of shit it is. Many of you disagreed (especially the J.Lo stans) and insisted
that it was actually super hot and totally amazing, so I began to doubt myself and
decided to give it another listen now that the official version has premiered.

*listens*

Yep, it still sucks. “T.H.E. (The Hardest Ever) is @#$%& horrible.

Further adding to my dislike for Will’s new solo venture is the fact that he titled his
new album #willpower. With a hashtag. Are we really naming our albums after tweets now?

Will.i.am is busy hashtagging random shit and pissing on Mick Jagger’s musical legacy.

(Now the 30-odd replies. You would expect a lot of fan support for will and j-lo)

Gross. Sounds worse live. He can keep that shit.

I'm literally too scared to listen to the song because I'll get audibly raped. JLo better get her
ass away from will.

the beat is pretty guilty of swagger jacking The Faint's "Symptom Finger". Will's Lyrical stylings
on this track seem like he's really TRYING for that clever young money swag that Nicki + Wayne
have goin on, but it just doesn't seem to work for him...

proph I tend to disagree on a lot of ur song reviews but u hit the nail on the head with this ..
I couldn't even finish it .. and I never will ..

HATE MICK JAGGERS ANNOYING SCREAMING VOICE! HE SOUNDS LIKE A DRAG QUEEN
WHO SCREAMS BECAUSE SHE HAS A TAMPONE STUCK IN HER PUSSY...the beat is sick
and i love it but the lyrics are just horribe.. this lyrics are worse then like a g 6 and rebecca blacks
@#$%& friday combined. and he is going o flop AGAIN like he did in his first solo album..

@PROP,,,,Great Read!

@PROP,,,Cosign U

Jesus Christ, what is this? I couldn't even finish this shit.

The beat is great. But that song is just....just no. PURE SHIT!

LMAO Proph .... I agree .... this song sucks hard .... I can't believe how HORRID will's lyrics are on this ....
it's embarrassing ... but dammmmnnnn .... Jenny just brings it on this one .... just saying ....

Truth. What the hell happened to will.i.am? This guy used to be such a great producer. The END was
actually a very fitting title, cuz that album was when BEP started to suck. But nothing will beat their earlier
stuff. Elephunk and Monkey Business were my jams back in the day. Now Will just makes shitty club music.

I agree. I hate how he thinks he can be a solo artist. Like, he was barely relevant as a member of BEP so
what makes him think he'll be relevant as asolo artist?

LOL 0:30 sounded like a fart noise LOL

I played 3:30 minutes and couldn't finish! UGH!

He should go back to the ELEPHUNK days

I have a love/hate relationship with will.i.am. He's very hit or miss. Sometimes his work is actually good and
creative. Other times it's just trash.

This whole future theme he's been whoring out since 2008 has gotten old as hell. Jennifer Lopez sounds
horrid on this track... what was she thinking?

wow jlo really ruin this piece of shit!

Ugh, it really crushes my heart to hear will.i.am + the peas's recent stuff being so awful. at the risk of sounding
like a hipster, their older stuff was really, really, good. i mean, not lyrically ingenious, but both "elephunk" and
"monkey business" were fantastic albums that blended pop, hip-hop, and funk into one. i was a huge fan. will
was also a pretty capable rapper/lyricist back in the day, so i cringe whenever i hear some of the lyrics BEP
has been putting out.

i know will is genuinely talented as a producer. just look at some of bep's earlier hits. but now i'm worried.

i agree about the above person about that not even sounding like J.Lo.... wtf?

this song is epic! of course will's rapping is horrible and ruins the song, but the beat is crazy and J-Lo and
Mick both killed it.

It's horrible, but I hope the 2nd song he did with Britney is on his new album. I always love me some new
Britney music!

Will I Am rapping is horrible... JLO was .. good but just good

Disgusting. When I thought this annoying bitch couldn't get any worse. When I heard the word "feces" I had to stop it.

i say one thing: Amazing o wait two things; i dont know why are you so negativ

I literally had to stop it by 0.50... It's THAT BAD. I'll never understand his appeal.

the beat and sound is kind of cool and can be save by that..but this sucks soooo bad!! poor mick for been dragged
to this shit, but I forgive him due been a rock god and still work the track even is not his thing

I had to stop the track halfway, my ears were hurting.

PeRfEcTiOn......your post....not the song!

i so dislike flop.i.am

his first solo album wasn't even that bad, but somehow he became more and more annoying...
and somehow this does not even sound like j.lo? has she been replaced???

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immediately after the AMAs, the track peaked at number 13 on USA itunes,
which should be regarded as the least possible success a Will.iam & J.lo track
could possibly have with such huge fanbases. it has since sunk to 16.

yes, a killer video could still reverse the fortunes of this track, that's
how it works these days, but given the colossal visual miscalculation at the
AMAs, its difficult to imagine how the same minds could have invented anything
great in the music video department. we shall see...

update: despite the video being previewed on Ellen, the single continues to
sink on itunes, now down to #25

our guess is that the video for T.H.E. is another hideous mistake. once upon
a time, the Peas got lucky and got away with this formula for "boom boom pow",
a similar beat-heavy non-song with a big-budget special-effects superhero video.

but that was then and this is now...

1) the budget looks tiny for the T.H.E. vid

2) at the moment the pop audience wants "real". maybe wi.lli.am could have got
away with this track if the vid had him and jlo and mick in some dive dance
club somewhere partying hard with street youths, but instead, in again
portraying himself as a superhero, far beyond mortal men, it seems likely
the mob will continue to turn hard against w.illa.m

3) the preview does not include mick's part. hopefully nobody was able to coax
mick into tights and cape. then at least the reviewers will be able to say,
"whereas willi.a.m needs special effects to seem like a superhero, all the
68-year-old mick needs to do is sing and dance."

I've never heard such a whopping piece of crap in my life.

George Licks,

Louis Armstrong was 63 when he had a top 40 hit with Hello Dolly. Mick is older now but Louis would be another artist over 60 to have a Top 40 hit.

There must be another.

I think it's hilarious!
Mick sounds like 1985 Jagger!!

[thepowergoats.com]

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"I went to play material for the label and Jimmy Iovine’s like, 'Yo, this is dope. Who are you gonna put on it?'," Will says. "I’m like, 'What are you talking about? It’s finished, it’s me.' So, he’s like, 'Oh, you don’t feature no one?'"

I guess that is what happens when crap sounds more like feces (will's own words) than music... it needs FAMOUS guest players, hype, paid viral posters etc etc..... I can remember when popular music, a song, a musical song was able to stand on its own, without the need for ""Who are you gonna put on it?""

So what was this Will person like anyway? Did he ever make up his mind about what he was like?

What is that noise, it sounds like that little guy on a i Phone.

How that "song" is even qualified as music escapes me. The only real thing about it was the voices going through a microphone. The rest is nothing but a bunch of buttons on a computer. That takes true talent.

iPhone is a bad word.

there are few things funnier than a bunch of rolling stones fans bashing club music.

its not for us,its made for young people to dance to in clubs that most of us ,lets be honest,are too old for.

mick jagger can go to these places and sing on these songs because he's a rich legendary rock star and young people love him for it.

if you go to the club people wonder how you got in,if he goes people stare,take pictures and ask for autographs.

shouldnt you guys be using your time for something more important,like keeping the neighbor kids off your lawn?

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there are few things funnier than a bunch of rolling stones fans bashing club music.

its not for us,its made for young people to dance to in clubs that most of us ,lets be honest,are too old for.

the point, at least so far, is that young people and club kids seem to be
shunning this track too, for reasons surprisingly similar to what IORRaqis are
saying about it.

your comments, lem, would only make sense if T.H.E. was a hit, which apparently
it is not going to be. In fact its looking like it just might be THE commercial
disaster of the year, gaining very little traction even with will.ies and j.los
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no,the point is nobody cares.

what you fail to understand is that most stones fans come from an era when music mattered.you're getting all wound up about "THE commercial disaster of the year" when you're talking about music that is as disposable as tissue paper.
mick knows this,j lo knows this and will.i.am knows it.they'll be on to another project next week and the song will be forgotten,or maybe get sold later to use for a car commercial.

funny nobody mentions that horrible tom waits record that keith played on that bombed.60,000 copies,holy shit is that bad for someone who has been in the business that long.thats like indie band level stuff, oh i know he doesnt want to be commercial,right?

May I suggest no more about who.gives.a.fvck and StupidHeavy. No one cares.

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no,the point is nobody cares.

what you fail to understand is that most stones fans come from an era when music mattered.you're getting all wound up about "THE commercial disaster of the year" when you're talking about music that is as disposable as tissue paper.
mick knows this,j lo knows this and will.i.am knows it.they'll be on to another project next week and the song will be forgotten,or maybe get sold later to use for a car commercial.

impressive. wrong on every single point.

its YOU that comes from an era whose music mattered to YOU. thats all. and
as an old man, its YOU thats as disposable as tissue paper, not the music of
today. suggest you take the tissue paper out of your ears, and realize that
theres a whole planet full of mostly young and some not so young people,
from ghana to haiti to india to brazil to L.A., who are living and breathing
the music of today in exactly the same way that earlier generations breathed
the music of motown and the brill building and trenchtown. these kids argue
beats and vocals and lyrics exactly how you once argued guitar solos.

just because YOU can't distinquish between an awesome immortal track like
rihanna's "we found love" and a boring track like "T.H.E." doesnt mean
that they cant.

shit has always made it onto the charts. you should re-study keith richards
"90% shit theory". 90% of every kind of music is shit, its your job to find
the 10% that aint.

so you just aint doing your job.

as for your claim that will.i.am does not care if his much-hyped new solo
career is crashing, how silly can you get? doesnt mean he's done-for if this
track crashes, doesnt mean he's equaled mick taylor or shelly long for worst
career move ever, just means he's damaged his career noticably. and that is of
interest here, on this web site, because mick jagger went along for the ride.

i clearly got you upset and that wasnt my intention.i didnt say anything about the entire world of music,if you would calm down and stay on topic-i was referring to the record and the genre we are discussing.

dance music isnt supposed to be taken all that seriously and it never was.

i travel alot and am quite aware of music from around the world.i've been to all those places you mentioned and more so you really are just talking out of your ass about someone you've never met and no nothing about.

i wouldnt worry too much about will.i.am or mick jaggers career if i were you,they'll be just fine.

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i clearly got you upset and that wasnt my intention.i didnt say anything about the entire world of music,if you would calm down and stay on topic-i was referring to the record and the genre we are discussing.

dance music isnt supposed to be taken all that seriously and it never was.

i travel alot and am quite aware of music from around the world.i've been to all those places you mentioned and more so you really are just talking out of your ass about someone you've never met and no nothing about.

i wouldnt worry too much about will.i.am or mick jaggers career if i were you,they'll be just fine.

lttle eva's loco-motion is dance music, but its hardly disposable. satisfaction
was also dance music in its time. as was trenchtown rock. and take the a train.

but, yeah, ok, we already said it, so why are you repeating it: 90% of dance
music is disposable, even lots of the stuff that for a brief moment in time
gets people on the dance floor.

but the point here is that this particular track empties the dance floor.
That's the story. Even though it brings together for the first time two of the
most successful dance artists of our time, plus a legend from a previous time,
plus its been hyped to the max, and it still empties the dance floor.

Its like George Harrison and Janis Joplin and Little Richard putting out a
highly-hyped single in 1968, as the lead single off George's new album, and nobody liking it.

And we have yet to state or even imply that this flop will have the slightest
effect on Mick Jagger's career, so where you get that from is your imagination.
Although we're sure if this track was successful it would have been a nice
thing for Mick.

And why you think we give the slightest shit about wi.li.am's career is
also a mystery. we were never even the slightest fans of him or the Peas.
we are paying attention to T.H.E only because mick is involved, so it is
of historical interest and on-topic for this website.



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wow,guess i was wrong then.this must be a really big deal.thanks for letting me know.

I'm amazed that MJ went for it in the first place, and J LO for that matter...and the record company.

Is it just because Will.i.am had that sort of 'brand' that they blindly went along with it (or deafly is perhaps a better description).

This is empirically, a bad song. Why did no one catch that, along the way?

Human error prevails every time!

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I'm amazed that MJ went for it in the first place, and J LO for that matter...and the record company.

Is it just because Will.i.am had that sort of 'brand' that they blindly went along with it (or deafly is perhaps a better description).

This is empirically, a bad song. Why did no one catch that, along the way?

Human error prevails every time!

as lem pointed out, bad songs can still be successful, if they've got the right
beat, and the right singer(s), and these days, the right video.

as mentioned earlier, the Peas had a big hit with "bang bang pow" or whatever
it was called, even though musically it was as useless as this one. but
the track caught the public's fancy with an expensive special effects video.

and that's why this track can't be 100% counted out yet, even though all the
signs are bad. if the full official video, once released, catches on, the
track could still have significant success.

so that's undoubtedly what will.iam and his record company and j.lo and
mi.ck were thinking. that even without lasting musical merit, or even
a decent hook, a special effects video plus the instant-supergroup hype
would be enough to guarantee success.

remember, when will.ie first brought this track to the record company, their
immediate reaction was that he better get some other stars on it. so they
werent exactly overwhelmed by it either.

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I'm amazed that MJ went for it in the first place, and J LO for that matter...and the record company.

Is it just because Will.i.am had that sort of 'brand' that they blindly went along with it (or deafly is perhaps a better description).

This is empirically, a bad song. Why did no one catch that, along the way?

Human error prevails every time!

as lem pointed out, bad songs can still be successful, if they've got the right
beat, and the right singer(s), and these days, the right video.

as mentioned earlier, the Peas had a big hit with "bang bang pow" or whatever
it was called, even though musically it was as useless as this one. but
the track caught the public's fancy with an expensive special effects video.

and that's why this track can't be 100% counted out yet, even though all the
signs are bad. if the full official video, once released, catches on, the
track could still have significant success.

so that's undoubtedly what will.iam and his record company and j.lo and
mi.ck were thinking. that even without lasting musical merit, or even
a decent hook, a special effects video plus the instant-supergroup hype
would be enough to guarantee success.

remember, when will.ie first brought this track to the record company, their
immediate reaction was that he better get some other stars on it. so they
werent exactly overwhelmed by it either.

I won't argue with you that this doesn't have lasting musical merit, or that songs without lasting musical merit can do well.

But...and I'm asking, because I can't think of any examples...can you give me any examples of songs, that have done well, that have no musical value, that ALSO don't have a 'hook'. It's the annoying hook that sells a lot of people. Case in point, 'Moves Like Jagger' is a ridiculous song, but it has a hook...so while I hate it, I can at least understand what people are attracted to it for.

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can you give me any examples of songs, that have done well, that have no musical value, that ALSO don't have a 'hook'.

"Friday" by Rebecca Black

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I won't argue with you that this doesn't have lasting musical merit, or that songs without lasting musical merit can do well.

But...and I'm asking, because I can't think of any examples...can you give me any examples of songs, that have done well, that have no musical value, that ALSO don't have a 'hook'. It's the annoying hook that sells a lot of people. Case in point, 'Moves Like Jagger' is a ridiculous song, but it has a hook...so while I hate it, I can at least understand what people are attracted to it for.

agree with you that almost always hits have a decent hook, no matter how shit
they might be otherwise. dont have any immediate counter-examples except for
the one already mentioned, now embedded below, though there must be others...

the one below, with 113 million views, also sold big, and don't think it has
any more merit or hookiness than T.H.E.

so probably they thought they could go to the same well again, especially
with jenny and micky onboard...

i wanna burn my house down when i hear that JLO garbage. She is JLO from the block.she has alot. look on her hand to see her big rock cuz she is jenny from the block. Yeah, that is who i wanna collaborate with.what the hell is Mick thinking?

Keith and Ronnie cannot be happy campers.

two days ago:

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update: despite the video being previewed on Ellen, the single continues to
sink on itunes, now down to #25

we thereafter kept an eye on it as it slowly sank to #49 a few hours ago, but now,
poof! gone from the top 100!

[www.apple.com]

Give NoComment credit. NC ferreted out this floptacular by hanging out on J.lo
and B.E.Peas web sites. Dirty work but someone had to do it.

No confirmation on it having been withdrawn. But if it has been, here is the
only copy right now on ebay...

[www.ebay.com]

also, the video was supposed to debut before the end of the month, and here
we are, with still no vid

UPDATE: there are apparently different versions around of the itunes top 100.
although T.H.E no longer appears on the apple site, there are different
versions of this chart on the net that claim to be more accurate. how that
can possibly be we have no clue. but on the one we're looking at now the
track still holds position #49. so maybe the vid is still coming, and thus
the ultimate fate of the track remains speculative.



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[www.billboard.com]

"Speaking of the title character in "Jagger," the AMAs further help will.i.am's "T.H.E. (The Hardest Ever)," featuring the Rolling Stones frontman and Jennifer Lopez, charge onto the Hot 100 at No. 36. The song opens with 70,000 downloads sold after the trio premiered it (Jagger via video) during the festivities. The track marks Jagger's first solo top 40 entry since 1987 and his highest Hot 100 rank since "Dancing in the Street," with David Bowie, shimmied to No. 7 in 1985."

thanks georgelicks

will also be official song NFL playoffs, SuperBowl, Chrysler ad campaign

watch the power of tv to turn T.H.I.S. S.H.I.T. into gold (maybe)

vevo video soon on youtube (vevo video views count towards billboard hot 100)

(70,000 downloads? without making much impact on the itunes charts. hmmm.
with incredibly negative buzz on the pop music boards. hmmm.
with very few free listens to the audio version on youtube. hmmm.
maybe chrysler and the nfl bought a bunch for their friends for christmas
via some other download service. not that there's anything wrong with that.)



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"The Hardest Ever"? Is that Mick's reply along the lines of "it may well be tiny, but it's The Hardest Ever".

Talk about hip hop attitude right there ;-)

this tune has got to be The Head-spinningest Ever

the above banner proclaims it "#16 in digital downloads"

yet it does not make the Itunes top 100

on amazon it is #166

the billboard article says it got 70,000 paid downloads in its first week,
or about one paid download for every 2 free listens on youtube!

whereas the average hit gets about one paid download for every 20 free listens
on youtube.

its a miracle! t.h.i.s. tune's fans are the The Honestest Ever!