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stoned in washington dc
I say its all or nothing.. big tour or nothing
these guys don't think in terms of a few shows...if they gear up the machine it will be a major tour..
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Gazza
A big tour with millions of dollars in corporate sponsorship underwriting it requires a lot of insurance.
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Gazza
Its not as simple as that, though.
A big tour with millions of dollars in corporate sponsorship underwriting it requires a lot of insurance.
And the older these guys get, the more infirm they become, and the more risk there is of a tour being de-railed for medical reasons the longer they stay on the road.
In the last few years, its quite evident that they've all had health issues which could potentially impact on their ability to tour for long periods.
A Stones tour in 2012 is a big financial risk for anyone who happens to be paying for it. Especially a long one.
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frankotero
Don't give them any ideas Sam Spade, a lot of us won't get in if the tourist and scalpers hoard all the tickets. Come to think of it that's probably what will happen, considering how the club shows went.
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oldkr
I wouldn't be surprised if they did a bunch of shows in major markets and simulcast them to movie theatres.
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Long John Stoner
I believe him. They're done. They haven't written or recorded together for 6-7 years now. The last live show was over four years ago. Jagger turns 69 halfway through 2012, Richards 69 at the end of 2012, Watts will be 71 halfway through, Wood will be 65 halfway through, Wyman, if he were to participate, would be 76 in late 2012. Come on, already. They're mining the past for product to sell. What have any of them done lately to even remotely suggest even a few shows just to commemorate the 50th, much less a tour, is going to happen?
Let the group known as the Rolling Stones go gently into the good night. It's what most of them seem to want to do.
Keith and Ronnie clearly want to keep going. Charlie clearly won't be the one who ruins it for everyone else. We're just waiting for Mick...
They can barely get in a crowd to see classic older concerts. Seriously doubt many would flock to a movie theatre to see a new show. PPV,in the comfort of your home? Maybe.Quote
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I wouldn't be surprised if they did a bunch of shows in major markets and simulcast them to movie theatres.
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Done deal
Correct - the vaults are open. Glad you were finally right about something.
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stoned in washington dc
I am not saying they will tour for 2 years.. but they're not going to do less than 50 dates that I am sure of..
The idea they are going to get together, practice, bury the hatchets, design sets to play 2 or 3 shows for a few dollars for the 50th is a non starter.
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stoned in washington dc
As far as underwriting the risk: if they are in good health I don't see why it would be a problem.. and if they're not they won't tour period
Live Nation will be more than glad to have a Stones tour to kickstart their saggin' business as of late.
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stoned in washington dc
I am not saying they will tour for 2 years.. but they're not going to do less than 50 dates that I am sure of..
The idea they are going to get together, practice, bury the hatchets, design sets to play 2 or 3 shows for a few dollars for the 50th is a non starter.
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stoned in washington dc
As far as underwriting the risk: if they are in good health I don't see why it would be a problem.. and if they're not they won't tour period
Live Nation will be more than glad to have a Stones tour to kickstart their saggin' business as of late.
They're in 'good health' at the start of every tour. They have to be as they have to get medical clearance for the money to be put upfront.
The issue is how reliable the health of a group of 70-ish year old men with a history of medical problems is likely to be over a very long period.
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stoned in washington dc
ok I never suggested you suggested. .I was talking broadly not as much as responding to any particular post.
In the name of money insurance will not be a problem.. there's plenty of geriatric rockers - I understand not bands of geriatrics but someone will undewrite the risk for a live Nation.. there's alot of money at stake.. some way will be found..hey if Michael Jackson could be insured why not the Stones?
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Sam Spade
Here's something to ponder. 50 shows with an average ticket price of $500 USD (they want to cash in BIG for 50) at venues able to seat 17,000 comes to a cool $425 mllion gross, that doesn't include merchandising. Not too shabby for 4 months work.(ok 6 months if they need 2 days off between shows) I think that would make them the highest grossing tour in the shortest amount of time.
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Sam Spade
Here's something to ponder. 50 shows with an average ticket price of $500 USD (they want to cash in BIG for 50) at venues able to seat 17,000 comes to a cool $425 mllion gross, that doesn't include merchandising. Not too shabby for 4 months work.(ok 6 months if they need 2 days off between shows) I think that would make them the highest grossing tour in the shortest amount of time.
500 average ticket is high but 17,000 venue capacity is low..
its definitely a lot of money at play
and at this point they almost dont' have to say its their final tour.... there would be a lot of "need to see them one last time" and "need to see them one time" action
there is so much gold to be made it will be a wonder if they don't tour!
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Sam Spade
Here's something to ponder. 50 shows with an average ticket price of $500 USD (they want to cash in BIG for 50) at venues able to seat 17,000 comes to a cool $425 mllion gross, that doesn't include merchandising. Not too shabby for 4 months work.(ok 6 months if they need 2 days off between shows) I think that would make them the highest grossing tour in the shortest amount of time.
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rollmops
The major problem with the possibility of a new tour is that Mick Jagger isn't into it at all. He seems to dread 2012 when he envisions the fans to be "sick of the Stones". Mick is now on Charlie's side; he doesn't want to do it and if he does it, it's gonna be a drag whereas Ron and keith will do it even for free (so he once said).
Rock and Roll,
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Sam Spade
Here's something to ponder. 50 shows with an average ticket price of $500 USD (they want to cash in BIG for 50) at venues able to seat 17,000 comes to a cool $425 mllion gross, that doesn't include merchandising. Not too shabby for 4 months work.(ok 6 months if they need 2 days off between shows) I think that would make them the highest grossing tour in the shortest amount of time.
The average price on the last tour was $169.
Its fantasy to suggest they'd be able to get away with TREBLING that.
And they'd need strung up if they even thought about it.
Yes my friend,I understood that but it's me interpreting Mick's negative feeling over something that others would call success. If you do business and you reach out to million of persons and go with the fear of having done too much, it means that your heart isn't into it, I believe.Quote
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rollmops
The major problem with the possibility of a new tour is that Mick Jagger isn't into it at all. He seems to dread 2012 when he envisions the fans to be "sick of the Stones". Mick is now on Charlie's side; he doesn't want to do it and if he does it, it's gonna be a drag whereas Ron and keith will do it even for free (so he once said).
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er, no...thats not what he meant.
He meant that the Stones will be so high profile in 2012, you'll be sick hearing about them by the end of it.
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Sam Spade
Here's something to ponder. 50 shows with an average ticket price of $500 USD (they want to cash in BIG for 50) at venues able to seat 17,000 comes to a cool $425 mllion gross, that doesn't include merchandising. Not too shabby for 4 months work.(ok 6 months if they need 2 days off between shows) I think that would make them the highest grossing tour in the shortest amount of time.
The average price on the last tour was $169.
Its fantasy to suggest they'd be able to get away with TREBLING that.
And they'd need strung up if they even thought about it.
Yes, it's absurd, like I said "it's something to ponder".
I can see them raising the average price to $212.00 (that's a little bit more than 25% over last tour).
The 17000 capacity would be for arenas only. Naturally, stadiums would maximize their profit margin,assuming they can still sellout stadiums, based on the economy here in the USA.
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Gazza
I personally dont think a long tour is likely either. Certainly not of the length we've been used to.
More for reasons of age than the economy.
I agree.