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Hey SS thanks for your note. I don't think I have your email any more and I see it's hidden on your profile.
I stand corrected! I guess you are not able to make your point without being dismissive.
You might consider sharing the wisdom you have rather than simply trample on the post I started to initiate conversation...what then are the alternative sites with more detail, more accurate numbers? Your response simply flames DISCOGS and then proceeds into a vague description of better things to rate and value your collection.
Well what are they then? Speak up man, and let's pretend we're not visiting you in person in Milan.
LOL. I'm not sure why you decided to offer your opinion other than just to dismiss DISCOGS?
I'm not disputing there may not be better resources, but other than shoot down the one that I initiated the conversation with, (and I even say, "let's say DISCOGS" - thereby not suggesting it's the definitive choice), you don't offer any alternatives.
You come off sounding a bit aloof. Perhaps that wasn't your intention but from my opinion you haven't been helpful.
Popsike is a good source for such rarities: [www.Popsike.com] , [www.Popsike.com] .
Maybe I should have said I never saw one in person. It's not easy finding early promos of Beatles and Stones, and the prices are usually far out of reach. Only one I have in this category is "It's All Over Now" on Decca. Lucky to have that.
That's nice, and a good price. You should nab it if you can!
Was doing a random search and lo and behold I found this copy! In fact, the place I found it is selling two copies!!
Awesome!! Have any pics of it?
This one: [www.Popsike.com] ?
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2024-12-31 22:30 by Irix.
Many years ago, 15 maybe, I saw a NM one of these on Ebay, just breathtaking, and I think it was going for $1500 or so.
I understand there's a regular release of this, so not the promo, that is considerably rarer and worth a lot more. So think of that early white and purple label.
EDIT
Interesting, on DISCOGS (I took a little flack for mentioning discogs here before from another poster, I hope I don't enflame him again), there's only ever been one sale of the purple label item, for $36, in 2019. No other sales, no other items even listed for sale. I think that price anomaly means the person that scooped it got an incredible deal. Here is the link:
[www.discogs.com]
By contrast, here's the history for the promo label:
[www.discogs.com]
So quite a bit more data.
I also came across this...the white label variation, which I also now remember coming across on EBAY around the same time as the purple label, again really expensive $1500 or so maybe 15 years ago:
[www.discogs.com]
That one seems to create the most enthusiasm but I go back to the purple label variation...there's almost no activity on that. It's interesting.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2025-01-01 00:57 by treaclefingers.
I believe you're speaking of the stock copy version? I think that one went for close to $9000 about 8 years ago.
By stock copy, you mean the purple and white label variation? I'd like to know what the "all white" label is all about. Did they come out simultaneously? Presumably so, but why two completely different looks? That purple and white label incidentally, was carried on through and up to "The Last Time" single. I have different variations of that single, purple and white and what they pivoted to, the blue azure swirl London label that carried them through the end of the 60s (and an orange version for promos of course).
Satisfaction onwards it was strictly the blue swirl. In the 70s we get to a brand new variation(s), the ABKCO labels.
This week you can see the 107 Canadian variations here:
[stones7.com]
every week, a different country
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Re: Let's talk RARE Stones vinyl
Posted by:
treaclefingers
()
Date: June 19, 2023 01:51
Quote
stonesstein
Treacle, never got that email from you about working a deal for some US 7" promos & PS.
Also, please email me your Discogs moniker so I can see what all you have.
Hey SS thanks for your note. I don't think I have your email any more and I see it's hidden on your profile.
Re: Let's talk RARE Stones vinyl
Posted by:
treaclefingers
()
Date: May 11, 2024 17:04
For those vinylophiles out there...I was wondering what you would rank as the "RAREST" in your collection, and also what is the most "VALUABLE" in your collection, let's say as determined by DISCOGS.
For me, I believe the rarest is the US vinyl single with picture sleeve of "Heart of Stone".
[www.discogs.com]
It's not necessarily the most valuable as determined by DISCOGS which I don't completely understand. The Satisfaction single with picture sleeve is actually listed as "more valuable" but I know it's not rarer:
[www.discogs.com]
The most "valuable" was the Rolling Stones 2016 mono vinyl boxset
[www.discogs.com]
though it's taken a hit, presumable because of the release of the 2023 mono coloured vinyl boxset.
[www.discogs.com]
So now it's the 1964-69 ABKCO boxset.
[www.discogs.com]
If however we're talking just regular releases, for my collection this DECCA MONO TSMR appears to be the most valuable:
[www.discogs.com]
ALSO, I do understand ratings of the condition are critical to the price, and I'm just going by the "highest price" in the last 10 sales as per DISCOGS.
Anyway...just nerding out on a Saturday morning days before SEATTLE!
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2024-05-11 17:06 by treaclefingers.
For me, I believe the rarest is the US vinyl single with picture sleeve of "Heart of Stone".
[www.discogs.com]
It's not necessarily the most valuable as determined by DISCOGS which I don't completely understand. The Satisfaction single with picture sleeve is actually listed as "more valuable" but I know it's not rarer:
[www.discogs.com]
The most "valuable" was the Rolling Stones 2016 mono vinyl boxset
[www.discogs.com]
though it's taken a hit, presumable because of the release of the 2023 mono coloured vinyl boxset.
[www.discogs.com]
So now it's the 1964-69 ABKCO boxset.
[www.discogs.com]
If however we're talking just regular releases, for my collection this DECCA MONO TSMR appears to be the most valuable:
[www.discogs.com]
ALSO, I do understand ratings of the condition are critical to the price, and I'm just going by the "highest price" in the last 10 sales as per DISCOGS.
Anyway...just nerding out on a Saturday morning days before SEATTLE!
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2024-05-11 17:06 by treaclefingers.
Re: Let's talk RARE Stones vinyl
Posted by:
1963luca0
()
Date: May 11, 2024 19:37
DISCOGS is ok for mediocre collections. Usually, top collection include records that DISCOGS ignores. On top of that, listings on DISCOGS are approximate and this means that what makes a record rare/valuable is not underlined. DISCOGS is ok only for low-profile Collectors, IMO.
Re: Let's talk RARE Stones vinyl
Posted by:
treaclefingers
()
Date: May 12, 2024 07:05
Quote
1963luca0
DISCOGS is ok for mediocre collections. Usually, top collection include records that DISCOGS ignores. On top of that, listings on DISCOGS are approximate and this means that what makes a record rare/valuable is not underlined. DISCOGS is ok only for low-profile Collectors, IMO.[/quote
There's probably a way to say what you wanted to say, and not have been quite so dismissive.
Re: Let's talk RARE Stones vinyl
Posted by:
1963luca0
()
Date: May 12, 2024 12:22
Not dismissive at all: I do appreciate DISCOGS as it helps, sometimes. But when one comes to details and comments he has to face a lot of mistakes. If one collects hi-end, DISCOGS can’t be his bible. On the contrary, Collectors who don’t care about details will feel at home.
I confirm that true rarities are not on DISCOGS. As well as for outtakes on tape, there’s an inner circle of record Collectors of The Rolling Stones where co-sharing is limited and does not include DISCOGS. I myself love to share my know-how. My collection is open to all those who visit Milan and sharing info is the main goal of the reference books I publish.
That said, every Collector sets his own level. When one adopts DISCOGS has standard he sets himself quite low, IMO.
On top of that, prices reported by DISCOGS are totally useless.
They don’t tell if the copy sold for Euro 39 was M/M, if it has all the due freebies etc etc
Should one Collector stick to these prices?
Should he value his own collection on these uncertain basis?
Not my cup of coffee…
I confirm that true rarities are not on DISCOGS. As well as for outtakes on tape, there’s an inner circle of record Collectors of The Rolling Stones where co-sharing is limited and does not include DISCOGS. I myself love to share my know-how. My collection is open to all those who visit Milan and sharing info is the main goal of the reference books I publish.
That said, every Collector sets his own level. When one adopts DISCOGS has standard he sets himself quite low, IMO.
On top of that, prices reported by DISCOGS are totally useless.
They don’t tell if the copy sold for Euro 39 was M/M, if it has all the due freebies etc etc
Should one Collector stick to these prices?
Should he value his own collection on these uncertain basis?
Not my cup of coffee…
Re: Let's talk RARE Stones vinyl
Posted by:
treaclefingers
()
Date: May 12, 2024 15:29
Quote
1963luca0
Not dismissive at all: I do appreciate DISCOGS as it helps, sometimes. But when one comes to details and comments he has to face a lot of mistakes. If one collects hi-end, DISCOGS can’t be his bible. On the contrary, Collectors who don’t care about details will feel at home.
I confirm that true rarities are not on DISCOGS. As well as for outtakes on tape, there’s an inner circle of record Collectors of The Rolling Stones where co-sharing is limited and does not include DISCOGS. I myself love to share my know-how. My collection is open to all those who visit Milan and sharing info is the main goal of the reference books I publish.
That said, every Collector sets his own level. When one adopts DISCOGS has standard he sets himself quite low, IMO.
On top of that, prices reported by DISCOGS are totally useless.
They don’t tell if the copy sold for Euro 39 was M/M, if it has all the due freebies etc etc
Should one Collector stick to these prices?
Should he value his own collection on these uncertain basis?
Not my cup of coffee…
I stand corrected! I guess you are not able to make your point without being dismissive.
You might consider sharing the wisdom you have rather than simply trample on the post I started to initiate conversation...what then are the alternative sites with more detail, more accurate numbers? Your response simply flames DISCOGS and then proceeds into a vague description of better things to rate and value your collection.
Well what are they then? Speak up man, and let's pretend we're not visiting you in person in Milan.
Re: Let's talk RARE Stones vinyl
Posted by:
1963luca0
()
Date: May 12, 2024 15:54
No problem. I propose you to stand correct and stick to what you please most.
My knowledge is already available to those who care: web sites are not the only possible way to access to know-how.
That said, enjoy your time and DISCOGS.
Bye,
My knowledge is already available to those who care: web sites are not the only possible way to access to know-how.
That said, enjoy your time and DISCOGS.
Bye,
Re: Let's talk RARE Stones vinyl
Posted by:
treaclefingers
()
Date: May 12, 2024 16:27
Quote
1963luca0
No problem. I propose you to stand correct and stick to what you please most.
My knowledge is already available to those who care: web sites are not the only possible way to access to know-how.
That said, enjoy your time and DISCOGS.
Bye,
LOL. I'm not sure why you decided to offer your opinion other than just to dismiss DISCOGS?
I'm not disputing there may not be better resources, but other than shoot down the one that I initiated the conversation with, (and I even say, "let's say DISCOGS" - thereby not suggesting it's the definitive choice), you don't offer any alternatives.
You come off sounding a bit aloof. Perhaps that wasn't your intention but from my opinion you haven't been helpful.
Re: Let's talk RARE Stones vinyl
Posted by:
JordyLicks96
()
Date: December 31, 2024 10:29
Found a copy of the I Wanna Be Your Man/Stoned US Promo single for a great price ($300). Definitely thinking of purchasing it.
Re: Let's talk RARE Stones vinyl
Posted by:
frankotero
()
Date: December 31, 2024 12:55
Excellent find JordyLicks96. I've never seen one of those!
Re: Let's talk RARE Stones vinyl
Posted by:
Irix
()
Date: December 31, 2024 13:15
Quote
frankotero
I've never seen one of those!
Popsike is a good source for such rarities: [www.Popsike.com] , [www.Popsike.com] .
Re: Let's talk RARE Stones vinyl
Posted by:
frankotero
()
Date: December 31, 2024 16:39
Maybe I should have said I never saw one in person. It's not easy finding early promos of Beatles and Stones, and the prices are usually far out of reach. Only one I have in this category is "It's All Over Now" on Decca. Lucky to have that.Re: Let's talk RARE Stones vinyl
Posted by:
frankotero
()
Date: December 31, 2024 16:40
By the way I'm happy to see some activity on this thread. 
Re: Let's talk RARE Stones vinyl
Posted by:
treaclefingers
()
Date: December 31, 2024 19:24
Quote
JordyLicks96
Found a copy of the I Wanna Be Your Man/Stoned US Promo single for a great price ($300). Definitely thinking of purchasing it.
That's nice, and a good price. You should nab it if you can!
Re: Let's talk RARE Stones vinyl
Posted by:
JordyLicks96
()
Date: December 31, 2024 20:10
Absolutely!! Would love to see this thread up and going again!! Anybody get any new rare Stones vinyl for the holidays?
Re: Let's talk RARE Stones vinyl
Posted by:
JordyLicks96
()
Date: December 31, 2024 20:11
Quote
frankotero
Excellent find JordyLicks96. I've never seen one of those!
Was doing a random search and lo and behold I found this copy! In fact, the place I found it is selling two copies!!
Re: Let's talk RARE Stones vinyl
Posted by:
frankotero
()
Date: December 31, 2024 20:13
I got a Portuguese EP radio demo of Have You Seen Your Mother. Very happy with it.
Re: Let's talk RARE Stones vinyl
Posted by:
JordyLicks96
()
Date: December 31, 2024 20:23
Quote
frankotero
I got a Portuguese EP radio demo of Have You Seen Your Mother. Very happy with it.
Awesome!! Have any pics of it?
Re: Let's talk RARE Stones vinyl
Posted by:
frankotero
()
Date: December 31, 2024 21:03
Sorry about the pics problem, after all these years I still haven't tried to figure it out how to post them. The record and sleeve are in really nice condition though, which is a rarity for this part of the world. It's like the French ones if you're familiar. There's a picture that's separate from the outer company sleeve. The label is blue like the regular issue. I haven't been able to find any further info on this. Maybe someone can chime in?
Re: Let's talk RARE Stones vinyl
Posted by:
Irix
()
Date: December 31, 2024 21:25
Quote
frankotero
I got a Portuguese EP radio demo of Have You Seen Your Mother.
This one: [www.Popsike.com] ?
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2024-12-31 22:30 by Irix.
Re: Let's talk RARE Stones vinyl
Posted by:
frankotero
()
Date: December 31, 2024 21:46
Yes, basically that's it but there's no gold sticker. Actually it's a one sided photo with the backside blank, then there's a company sleeve. But I have seen gold stickers on other records over here. I think there's not a lot of good info on what's what in the end. But thank you lrix, this is the closest I've seen to something concrete.
Re: Let's talk RARE Stones vinyl
Posted by:
treaclefingers
()
Date: January 1, 2025 00:47
Quote
JordyLicks96Quote
frankotero
Excellent find JordyLicks96. I've never seen one of those!
Was doing a random search and lo and behold I found this copy! In fact, the place I found it is selling two copies!!
Many years ago, 15 maybe, I saw a NM one of these on Ebay, just breathtaking, and I think it was going for $1500 or so.
I understand there's a regular release of this, so not the promo, that is considerably rarer and worth a lot more. So think of that early white and purple label.
EDIT
Interesting, on DISCOGS (I took a little flack for mentioning discogs here before from another poster, I hope I don't enflame him again), there's only ever been one sale of the purple label item, for $36, in 2019. No other sales, no other items even listed for sale. I think that price anomaly means the person that scooped it got an incredible deal. Here is the link:
[www.discogs.com]
By contrast, here's the history for the promo label:
[www.discogs.com]
So quite a bit more data.
I also came across this...the white label variation, which I also now remember coming across on EBAY around the same time as the purple label, again really expensive $1500 or so maybe 15 years ago:
[www.discogs.com]
That one seems to create the most enthusiasm but I go back to the purple label variation...there's almost no activity on that. It's interesting.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2025-01-01 00:57 by treaclefingers.
Re: Let's talk RARE Stones vinyl
Posted by:
JordyLicks96
()
Date: January 1, 2025 10:32
Quote
treaclefingersQuote
JordyLicks96Quote
frankotero
Excellent find JordyLicks96. I've never seen one of those!
Was doing a random search and lo and behold I found this copy! In fact, the place I found it is selling two copies!!
Many years ago, 15 maybe, I saw a NM one of these on Ebay, just breathtaking, and I think it was going for $1500 or so.
I understand there's a regular release of this, so not the promo, that is considerably rarer and worth a lot more. So think of that early white and purple label.
EDIT
Interesting, on DISCOGS (I took a little flack for mentioning discogs here before from another poster, I hope I don't enflame him again), there's only ever been one sale of the purple label item, for $36, in 2019. No other sales, no other items even listed for sale. I think that price anomaly means the person that scooped it got an incredible deal. Here is the link:
[www.discogs.com]
By contrast, here's the history for the promo label:
[www.discogs.com]
So quite a bit more data.
I also came across this...the white label variation, which I also now remember coming across on EBAY around the same time as the purple label, again really expensive $1500 or so maybe 15 years ago:
[www.discogs.com]
That one seems to create the most enthusiasm but I go back to the purple label variation...there's almost no activity on that. It's interesting.
I believe you're speaking of the stock copy version? I think that one went for close to $9000 about 8 years ago.
Re: Let's talk RARE Stones vinyl
Posted by:
treaclefingers
()
Date: January 4, 2025 19:36
Quote
JordyLicks96Quote
treaclefingersQuote
JordyLicks96Quote
frankotero
Excellent find JordyLicks96. I've never seen one of those!
Was doing a random search and lo and behold I found this copy! In fact, the place I found it is selling two copies!!
Many years ago, 15 maybe, I saw a NM one of these on Ebay, just breathtaking, and I think it was going for $1500 or so.
I understand there's a regular release of this, so not the promo, that is considerably rarer and worth a lot more. So think of that early white and purple label.
EDIT
Interesting, on DISCOGS (I took a little flack for mentioning discogs here before from another poster, I hope I don't enflame him again), there's only ever been one sale of the purple label item, for $36, in 2019. No other sales, no other items even listed for sale. I think that price anomaly means the person that scooped it got an incredible deal. Here is the link:
[www.discogs.com]
By contrast, here's the history for the promo label:
[www.discogs.com]
So quite a bit more data.
I also came across this...the white label variation, which I also now remember coming across on EBAY around the same time as the purple label, again really expensive $1500 or so maybe 15 years ago:
[www.discogs.com]
That one seems to create the most enthusiasm but I go back to the purple label variation...there's almost no activity on that. It's interesting.
I believe you're speaking of the stock copy version? I think that one went for close to $9000 about 8 years ago.
By stock copy, you mean the purple and white label variation? I'd like to know what the "all white" label is all about. Did they come out simultaneously? Presumably so, but why two completely different looks? That purple and white label incidentally, was carried on through and up to "The Last Time" single. I have different variations of that single, purple and white and what they pivoted to, the blue azure swirl London label that carried them through the end of the 60s (and an orange version for promos of course).
Satisfaction onwards it was strictly the blue swirl. In the 70s we get to a brand new variation(s), the ABKCO labels.
Re: Let's talk RARE Stones vinyl
Posted by:
frankotero
()
Date: January 4, 2025 21:33
All these questions makes me wonder how many unknown variations exist. It's a dangerous game because sometimes you might miss a great deal, and others you'll be cheated. Maybe it's better to collect vintage wine
Re: Let's talk RARE Stones vinyl
Posted by:
Ricky
()
Date: January 5, 2025 00:07
Quote
frankotero
All these questions makes me wonder how many unknown variations exist. It's a dangerous game because sometimes you might miss a great deal, and others you'll be cheated. Maybe it's better to collect vintage wine
This week you can see the 107 Canadian variations here:
[stones7.com]
every week, a different country
Re: Let's talk RARE Stones vinyl
Posted by:
frankotero
()
Date: January 5, 2025 00:27
Thank you Ricky, good info!
Re: Let's talk RARE Stones vinyl
Posted by:
treaclefingers
()
Date: January 5, 2025 16:54
Yeah thanks Ricky, the details here are pretty awesome.
Re: Let's talk RARE Stones vinyl
Posted by:
Ricky
()
Date: January 6, 2025 10:23
and this week, 114 Australian variations:
[stones7.com]
[stones7.com]
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