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wasn't the Otis Redding's touring band Booker T and the MG's ? with Steve "the Colonel" Cropper ?

That was his studio band, mainly.

Ry Cooder and his history with the Stones. A hardy perennial and always up for debate and speculation. Kind of interesting. One way or another Keith learned a lot from him and not the other way around

It would be cool to know how they first met. Who introduced them? I wonder if Cooder thinks about The Stones a few times a week. My bet is he does. No way would he have lasted as a Brian Jones replacement. He is too assertive. MickT was compliant and same for young Ron Wood so they were assimilable

"In 1968, Nitzsche introduced the band to slide guitarist Ry Cooder, a seminal influence on the band's 1969-1973 style."
From wikipedia on Jack Nitzsche



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clearly different style, approach, feeling ...

It would seem that Cooder helped KR become more aware of alternate tunings that KR was monkeying around with already at that time. What matters is what KR and MJ did with that open G tuning.

Also, in the 45 years since KR supposedly ripped off Cooder....what has Cooder done?

You didn't hear Muddy Waters and all those guys walking around saying "everybody ripped me off'

Jeez, enough already Ry

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Also, in the 45 years since KR supposedly ripped off Cooder....what has Cooder done?

Become one of the most respected artists in the world, with a totally unique catalogue?

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wasn't the Otis Redding's touring band Booker T and the MG's ? with Steve "the Colonel" Cropper ?

That was his studio band, mainly.

Touring band was also Booker T & The MG's. Check out the DVD of the Oslo show from the Stax Europe tour. It's incredible, and the sound is great. The MG's and MarKey horns back Otis, Sam & Dave and other Stax vocalists. The Norwegians go nuts.

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wasn't the Otis Redding's touring band Booker T and the MG's ? with Steve "the Colonel" Cropper ?

That was his studio band, mainly.

Touring band was also Booker T & The MG's. Check out the DVD of the Oslo show from the Stax Europe tour. It's incredible, and the sound is great. The MG's and MarKey horns back Otis, Sam & Dave and other Stax vocalists. The Norwegians go nuts.

That was because the Stax artists were touring. Usually, Otis had his own live band - if you listen to all his live records - which all are brilliant, of course

I've seen the Oslo-show, and it's been televised here numerous times (there were IORRians in the crowd as well ).

I also have the London show from the same tour on vinyl - what a lineup!

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wasn't the Otis Redding's touring band Booker T and the MG's ? with Steve "the Colonel" Cropper ?

That was his studio band, mainly.

Touring band was also Booker T & The MG's. Check out the DVD of the Oslo show from the Stax Europe tour. It's incredible, and the sound is great. The MG's and MarKey horns back Otis, Sam & Dave and other Stax vocalists. The Norwegians go nuts.

That was because the Stax artists were touring. Usually, Otis had his own live band - if you listen to all his live records - which all are brilliant, of course

I've seen the Oslo-show, and it's been televised here numerous times (there were IORRians in the crowd as well ).

I also have the London show from the same tour on vinyl - what a lineup!

just wanted to mention the Monterey Pop Festival footage of Otis with the Stax band..

no doubt yall have seen it but what a performance!

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wasn't the Otis Redding's touring band Booker T and the MG's ? with Steve "the Colonel" Cropper ?

That was his studio band, mainly.

Touring band was also Booker T & The MG's. Check out the DVD of the Oslo show from the Stax Europe tour. It's incredible, and the sound is great. The MG's and MarKey horns back Otis, Sam & Dave and other Stax vocalists. The Norwegians go nuts.

That was because the Stax artists were touring. Usually, Otis had his own live band - if you listen to all his live records - which all are brilliant, of course

I've seen the Oslo-show, and it's been televised here numerous times (there were IORRians in the crowd as well ).

I also have the London show from the same tour on vinyl - what a lineup!

just wanted to mention the Monterey Pop Festival footage of Otis with the Stax band..

no doubt yall have seen it but what a performance!

The tempo on Shake is neckbreaking

Steve Cropper also heavily influenced Keith, probably just as much as Ry Cooder, but he never complained or said he was ripped off...

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Steve Cropper also heavily influenced Keith, probably just as much as Ry Cooder, but he never complained or said he was ripped off...

It's not that easy to tell if he did by listening, either

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Steve Cropper also heavily influenced Keith, probably just as much as Ry Cooder, but he never complained or said he was ripped off...

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According to Keith, Ry was used completely. Ry Cooder never complained, he lashed out once in one interview right after, Im guessing Keith, got rid of him. Cooder was in his early 20s at the time.

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Steve Cropper also heavily influenced Keith, probably just as much as Ry Cooder, but he never complained or said he was ripped off...

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According to Keith, Ry was used completely. Ry Cooder never complained, he lashed out once in one interview right after, Im guessing Keith, got rid of him. Cooder was in his early 20s at the time.

Don't take it so literally. Mainly, Keith used slide stuff and the two and three-strings licks that he heard from Cooder.

Keith' signature open G-playing has nothing to do with Cooder's style, not at all.

Let It Bleed is the album where the influence is the strongest.

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Keith' signature open G-playing has nothing to do with Cooder's style, not at all.

No, Keith's signature playing was basically formed by Jagger. Take Brown Sugar, Sway and Stop Breaking Down.

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Keith' signature open G-playing has nothing to do with Cooder's style, not at all.

No, Keith's signature playing was basically formed by Jagger. Take Brown Sugar, Sway and Stop Breaking Down.

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That might be a bit of a hasty conclusion, as there are elements of this style to be found also in his standard tuning playing (2000 Man), open D-playing (Child Of The Moon) and open E-playing (Street Fighting Man). Even on their first album (Route 66), he plays his signature licks in standard tuning.

But it could very well be that Mick helped Keith with developing his playing through the songs he wrote - either partly or completely. I wish I knew how much of the guitar playing on the final BS studio take that actually came from Mick...

Mick is playing the chords on this early version, but does not have Keith's touch or feel at all... Also he does not play the famous intro, which is all Keith...

Yep. That's why it would have been nice to know what happened in between this clip and in the studio.

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Keith' signature open G-playing has nothing to do with Cooder's style, not at all.

No, Keith's signature playing was basically formed by Jagger. Take Brown Sugar, Sway and Stop Breaking Down.

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Keith's signature playing was basically formed by Jagger.

What a conclusion....

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Keith' signature open G-playing has nothing to do with Cooder's style, not at all.

No, Keith's signature playing was basically formed by Jagger. Take Brown Sugar, Sway and Stop Breaking Down.

Mathijs

That might be a bit of a hasty conclusion, as there are elements of this style to be found also in his standard tuning playing (2000 Man), open D-playing (Child Of The Moon) and open E-playing (Street Fighting Man). Even on their first album (Route 66), he plays his signature licks in standard tuning.

But it could very well be that Mick helped Keith with developing his playing through the songs he wrote - either partly or completely. I wish I knew how much of the guitar playing on the final BS studio take that actually came from Mick...

But it could very well be that Mick helped Keith with developing his playing through the songs he wrote - either partly or completely.

or also completely outside of the songs he/they both wrote

What do you mean?