Hello fellow fans,

Anyone who knows, if "Long Long While" exists in a STEREO version?

Thanks

PJ

Good question - because 'Long Long While' is listed as #S261 (6-9 March 1966 RCA Studios, Hollywood, USA) in the [stonessessions.com] exactly between 'Paint It Black' and 'Under My Thumb'. Latter both have Stereo-Mixes.

Maybe someone who has these Bootlegs can tell which Mix of 'Long Long While' it is: [dbboots.com] .

The remarks to the compilation 'No Stone Unturned' say: "Stereo - The tracks A1, A3, A5 to B3, B5, B6 [marked * on release] are mono recordings electronically reprocessed to give stereo effect on stereo equipment." [www.discogs.com] .



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As a mix-nerd of The Rolling Stones' recordings, I can confirm that Long Long While only exists in mono and that a stereo version has never ever appeared either officially or non-officially. Records claiming otherwise, are either wrongly labelled or are in fake-stereo.

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As a mix-nerd of The Rolling Stones' recordings, I can confirm that Long Long While only exists in mono and that a stereo version has never ever appeared either officially or non-officially. Records claiming otherwise, are either wrongly labelled or are in fake-stereo.

Yes, it's on the old Decca compilation "No Stone Unturned" in the dreaded "Electronically re-processed for stereo".
Horrid.


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Surely a true-stereo mix exists of this and many other after-the-1st LP recordings. I'm afraid we'll all be dead before some bored record company employee decides to exhume them from vaults. At least the Beatles had someone who cared looking after their legacy.



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...maybe ..one day.!

Thanks to all of you for the qualified comments.

Now I am wiser, and - older

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Yes, it's on the old Decca compilation "No Stone Unturned" in the dreaded "Electronically re-processed for stereo". Horrid.

Is this 'electronically re-processed Stereo' the same Mix as the Ping-Pong-Stereo of 'Paint It Black' and 'Under My Thumb' or does this 'electronically re-processed Stereo' sound like the Pseudo-Stereo generated by a High-Pass/Low-Pass-Filter as at the Beatles US-Capitol-Mixes?



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This is stereo alright.

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Yes, it's on the old Decca compilation "No Stone Unturned" in the dreaded "Electronically re-processed for stereo". Horrid.

Is this 'electronically re-processed Stereo' the same Mix as the Ping-Pong-Stereo of 'Paint It Black' and 'Under My Thumb' or does this 'electronically re-processed Stereo' sound like the Pseudo-Stereo generated by a High-Pass/Low-Pass-Filter as at the Beatles US-Capitol-Mixes?

What's wrong with the stereo mix of UMT?

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This is stereo alright.

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Sounds like it - what is your source?

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What's wrong with the stereo mix of UMT?

Nothing, but I would say it's still a kind of Ping-Pong-Stereo -- when listening via Headphones: Drums, Bass & Marimba are left, Guitars are right, Vocals & Percussion are in the middle.



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This is stereo alright.

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Via Headphones it sounds like a Mono-Mix plus a Guitar on the right channel ....

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What's wrong with the stereo mix of UMT?

Nothing, but I would say it's still a kind of Ping-Pong-Stereo -- when listening via Headphones: Drums, Bass & Marimba are left, Guitars are right, Vocals & Percussion are in the middle.

In other words, a classic 5 minutes 60s stereo mix

For some reason, I thought this mix worked nicely on this particular song.

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For some reason, I thought this mix worked nicely on this particular song.

Yes, it does.

Never heard it in Stereo anyway. I think everything recorded in Chicago and in the RCA studios in Hollywood have been recorded in a way that should be possible to release in stereo, but either there is no interest or the session tapes are lost. I don't know where or when Long long while was recorded but if in 1966, no matter where, everything was recorded at least on 4 tracks? One can also wonder why tracks released in fake stereo suddently appears in real stereo on later releases? Why not real from the start?

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Never heard it in Stereo anyway. I think everything recorded in Chicago and in the RCA studios in Hollywood have been recorded in a way that should be possible to release in stereo, but either there is no interest or the session tapes are lost. I don't know where or when Long long while was recorded but if in 1966, no matter where, everything was recorded at least on 4 tracks? One can also wonder why tracks released in fake stereo suddently appears in real stereo on later releases? Why not real from the start?

Why not real from the start? Well, when all those "electronically reprocessed for stereo" tracks were released (mostly on compilatons) in various countries, the local DECCA departments or sometimes even licensees had no access to original session tapes to produce a true stereo mix in cases where only mono mixes were available. Of course it could have been done, but it probably was too much of a hassle for, let's say TELDEC in Germany to ask DECCA in London for a "first time in real stereo"-mix, who in turn would have had to forward the request to ABKCO in the States, who in turn would have had to ask the Stones for permission to produce and release and "new" stereo mix, add to that the at times genuinely hostile relationship between ABKCO and the Stones (court cases etc.) and there you go - it becomes clear that using a fake stereo mix from a mono master was much easier than going through all this legal shit.

Plus, who knows if each and every session multitrack tape still exists? In cases where a mono master tape is all that's left, no true stereo mix will ever be possible.

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This is stereo alright.

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This is rubbish alright.

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Plus, who knows if each and every session multitrack tape still exists? In cases where a mono master tape is all that's left, no true stereo mix will ever be possible.

But not all hope is lost. Remember the I'm Free-remixes comissioned by ABKCO a decade ago? They would not have been possible without going back to the multitrack-tapes because it is impossible to separate a lead vocal track from a pure mono master tape. And I'm Free is from Out Of Our Heads, an album that was always available in mono only! And a true stereo mix of "I've Been Loving You Too Long" first appeared on the "More Hot Rocks" ABKCO remaster from 2002, a song that comes from the same time frame as "Long Long While".

The question indeed is why ABKCO does not explore this route even more. An album worth of true stereo mixes of songs previously available only in mono or fake stereo should have sufficient sales potential to justify the work and effort it needs to produce.



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