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We still need a truly accurate recording sessions book as Mark Lewisohn did with The Beatles (unfortunately full details of dates, personnel, etc were never logged for most RS sessions).
I suspect any good new biography would uncover something. The question is would it be worth buying a book for a page or two of new info?
Absolutely. It would be a great book to have an in depth look at their recording history. As revealed in that Beatles book, it would be fantastic to learn of some of the things the Stones went through to achieve what they have. The number of takes - and how many reels of tape - for a song; if it was edited down from several takes, which from what I've learned they never did but who knows; equipment and all that goes with that. Songs they finished that were left off and used later - or that were framed but not detailed and finished later. There is nothing but speculation, it seems, about that and whoever has the vague memory (Mick) of when certain songs were started and finished. It would be cool if someone could nail down those facts.
Any tricks they might have pulled, used or created.
Mixing and mastering. There's a lot that could be written about how the Stones recorded and the results they wound up with. A couple of books worth at least.
Of course, with what would be available since the Stones recorded all over the planet.
Difficult, everything pre 2004 was once deleted by bv.
Some great Licks threads are gone.
A bit sad anyway. Best threads, best posters! in those earlier times . .
Wasn't the problem even back in 1985 that Mick couldn't remember much?
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Books about the Stones. Is there anything else to write?
Posted by:
Baxter Thwaites
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Date: July 29, 2011 00:02
Or are we just wasting trees? Is there any angle left uncovered or is there any account we need to hear?
Re: Books about the Stones. Is there anything else to write?
Posted by:
Rolling Hansie
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Date: July 29, 2011 00:05
The collected works of all the posts on IORR Tell Me ?
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Re: Books about the Stones. Is there anything else to write?
Posted by:
Sleepy City
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Date: July 29, 2011 00:06
Quote
Baxter Thwaites
Or are we just wasting trees? Is there any angle left uncovered or is there any account we need to hear?
We still need a truly accurate recording sessions book as Mark Lewisohn did with The Beatles (unfortunately full details of dates, personnel, etc were never logged for most RS sessions).
Re: Books about the Stones. Is there anything else to write?
Posted by:
Gazza
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Date: July 29, 2011 00:11
Yep.
And in depth book on their recording history (ideally featuring interviews with the band and/or people who have worked with them) plus full sessionography.
Certainly a gap in the market for that.
Hard to get accurate session details for the Stones though as so many sessions were done at mobile studios and they made albums all over the world. Almost everything The Beatles recorded was done in one studio, owned by their record company.
And in depth book on their recording history (ideally featuring interviews with the band and/or people who have worked with them) plus full sessionography.
Certainly a gap in the market for that.
Hard to get accurate session details for the Stones though as so many sessions were done at mobile studios and they made albums all over the world. Almost everything The Beatles recorded was done in one studio, owned by their record company.
Re: Books about the Stones. Is there anything else to write?
Posted by:
withaheadfullofsnow
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Date: July 29, 2011 00:46
A book about the '72 Jamaica sessions and '73 tours.
Re: Books about the Stones. Is there anything else to write?
Posted by:
Braincapers
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Date: July 29, 2011 14:56
Quote
Baxter Thwaites
Is there any angle left uncovered or is there any account we need to hear?
I suspect any good new biography would uncover something. The question is would it be worth buying a book for a page or two of new info?
Re: Books about the Stones. Is there anything else to write?
Posted by:
TrulyMicks
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Date: July 29, 2011 14:58
Oh definitely, I can think of several angles.
Re: Books about the Stones. Is there anything else to write?
Posted by:
The GR
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Date: July 29, 2011 15:38
A definitive Woodie biography written by Andy Neal who just published the Faces book. Similar thing for Mick Taylor.
Obviously in both cases it would primarily be about their work outside The Stones though.
Obviously in both cases it would primarily be about their work outside The Stones though.
Re: Books about the Stones. Is there anything else to write?
Posted by:
Gazza
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Date: July 29, 2011 15:53
Of the six surviving band members, only half of them have published autobiographies. And in Bill's case, it only really went up to 1969.
I know that the band has published 'official' books such as 'Stones on the Road' and 'According to the Rolling Stones' but there's still room there for more personalised accounts from Mick Jagger, Mick Taylor and Charlie Watts.
I know that the band has published 'official' books such as 'Stones on the Road' and 'According to the Rolling Stones' but there's still room there for more personalised accounts from Mick Jagger, Mick Taylor and Charlie Watts.
Re: Books about the Stones. Is there anything else to write?
Posted by:
The GR
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Date: July 29, 2011 15:58
Hmmm, can't imagine Charlie writing ! However I could see him contributing to a book on jazz heroes.
Shame Mick J gave up on his autob in the 80s. With the right ghost writer or editor.......
Shame Mick J gave up on his autob in the 80s. With the right ghost writer or editor.......
Re: Books about the Stones. Is there anything else to write?
Posted by:
DragonSky
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Date: July 29, 2011 17:21
Quote
Gazza
Yep.
And in depth book on their recording history (ideally featuring interviews with the band and/or people who have worked with them) plus full sessionography.
Certainly a gap in the market for that.
Hard to get accurate session details for the Stones though as so many sessions were done at mobile studios and they made albums all over the world. Almost everything The Beatles recorded was done in one studio, owned by their record company.
Absolutely. It would be a great book to have an in depth look at their recording history. As revealed in that Beatles book, it would be fantastic to learn of some of the things the Stones went through to achieve what they have. The number of takes - and how many reels of tape - for a song; if it was edited down from several takes, which from what I've learned they never did but who knows; equipment and all that goes with that. Songs they finished that were left off and used later - or that were framed but not detailed and finished later. There is nothing but speculation, it seems, about that and whoever has the vague memory (Mick) of when certain songs were started and finished. It would be cool if someone could nail down those facts.
Any tricks they might have pulled, used or created.
Mixing and mastering. There's a lot that could be written about how the Stones recorded and the results they wound up with. A couple of books worth at least.
Of course, with what would be available since the Stones recorded all over the planet.
Re: Books about the Stones. Is there anything else to write?
Posted by:
Gazza
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Date: July 29, 2011 21:11
I'd a few ideas for such a book many years ago, but the amount of work - even then - that would have been needed to do it justice was really off the scale.
Its something that really would take years to do - and being a 'niche' market, it would be a major financial risk and far from a sure thing sales-wise.
I mentioned how comparatively straightforward such a book on the Beatles would be - and remember, Lewisohn's books studied the work of a band who only recorded for 7 or 8 years. There are similar books on Dylan as well - but again, like The Beatles, tracing most of Bob's sessions isnt THAT difficult as the information is 'out there' already and he recorded most of his albums in Columbia-owned studios in New York, Nashville or LA. Plus - quite incredibly - Bob Dylan's entire studio sessions for the first 20 years of his career (apart from the Basement Tapes, which is hard to document) consists of barely NINETY days in recording studios.
The Stones sometimes take longer than that to make entire albums.
Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 2011-07-29 21:17 by Gazza.
Its something that really would take years to do - and being a 'niche' market, it would be a major financial risk and far from a sure thing sales-wise.
I mentioned how comparatively straightforward such a book on the Beatles would be - and remember, Lewisohn's books studied the work of a band who only recorded for 7 or 8 years. There are similar books on Dylan as well - but again, like The Beatles, tracing most of Bob's sessions isnt THAT difficult as the information is 'out there' already and he recorded most of his albums in Columbia-owned studios in New York, Nashville or LA. Plus - quite incredibly - Bob Dylan's entire studio sessions for the first 20 years of his career (apart from the Basement Tapes, which is hard to document) consists of barely NINETY days in recording studios.
The Stones sometimes take longer than that to make entire albums.
Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 2011-07-29 21:17 by Gazza.
Re: Books about the Stones. Is there anything else to write?
Posted by:
riverrat
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Date: July 31, 2011 08:11
I want to hear Mick's version of the truth, since he wasn't as wasted as Keith thru the years and probably has a much better memory of what really went on.
Re: Books about the Stones. Is there anything else to write?
Posted by:
riverrat
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Date: July 31, 2011 08:14
I want Mick to write a book of his poems, of lyrics not used or just poems he comes up with, etc. He said he's always writing. That would be interesting to me.
Re: Books about the Stones. Is there anything else to write?
Posted by:
soulsurvivor1
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Date: July 31, 2011 08:24
Or anything else to rerwrite..Or Invent
Keith's book "Life" is in complete contradiction to what he said in the Rolling Stones Monthlys,and other 60s magazine about songwriting, guitar playing,etc..Im much more inclined to believe the band about such things that were happening at the time..Not after 40 Years & a Couple Freight Cars of White Palace!
For Example: For 40 Years+ Keith Says That Brian Jones Formed the Stones. He gives Brian Credit for placing an ad in a newspaper called Jazz News. Ian Stewart Answered the ad placed by Brian Jones. All original members including Ian Stewart agree: hence the Stones began to take shape. Now all of a sudden Keith gives Ian Stewart Credit for starting the band..That Book Is Like Reading Realistic Fiction.
Soulsurvivor
Keith's book "Life" is in complete contradiction to what he said in the Rolling Stones Monthlys,and other 60s magazine about songwriting, guitar playing,etc..Im much more inclined to believe the band about such things that were happening at the time..Not after 40 Years & a Couple Freight Cars of White Palace!
For Example: For 40 Years+ Keith Says That Brian Jones Formed the Stones. He gives Brian Credit for placing an ad in a newspaper called Jazz News. Ian Stewart Answered the ad placed by Brian Jones. All original members including Ian Stewart agree: hence the Stones began to take shape. Now all of a sudden Keith gives Ian Stewart Credit for starting the band..That Book Is Like Reading Realistic Fiction.
Soulsurvivor
Re: Books about the Stones. Is there anything else to write?
Posted by:
ab
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Date: July 31, 2011 09:13
Jagger could step up, defend the dignity of Little Micky, and write his own autobiography. But he still won't.
Re: Books about the Stones. Is there anything else to write?
Posted by:
OhNoNotMeAgain
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Date: July 31, 2011 12:17
It's too bad that Freddie Sessler never wrote a book about his time with the band. Now that would have been an interesting read!
Re: Books about the Stones. Is there anything else to write?
Posted by:
TooTough
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Date: July 31, 2011 12:21
Quote
Rolling Hansie
The collected works of all the posts on IORR Tell Me ?
Difficult, everything pre 2004 was once deleted by bv.
Some great Licks threads are gone.
Re: Books about the Stones. Is there anything else to write?
Posted by:
CousinC
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Date: July 31, 2011 15:25
Quote
TooToughQuote
Rolling Hansie
The collected works of all the posts on IORR Tell Me ?
Difficult, everything pre 2004 was once deleted by bv.
Some great Licks threads are gone.
A bit sad anyway. Best threads, best posters! in those earlier times . .
Re: Books about the Stones. Is there anything else to write?
Posted by:
slew
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Date: July 31, 2011 18:32
I'd love to see a book by Mick Jagger!
Re: Books about the Stones. Is there anything else to write?
Posted by:
polythene sam
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Date: July 31, 2011 23:51
I'm looking forward to Andy Babiuk's Stones' Gear book about their instruments. It's due later this year or early next year.
Re: Books about the Stones. Is there anything else to write?
Posted by:
crumbling_mice
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Date: July 31, 2011 23:57
Pallenberg - if she told it straight, it would be interesting. Jagger, but I fear Mick will put such a spin on history that it will be largely pointless. If he dared to tell us the truth and not go down the Keith road of petty insults and macho posturing, then we would have us a right royal read.
Re: Books about the Stones. Is there anything else to write?
Posted by:
Sleepy City
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Date: August 1, 2011 00:32
Quote
crumbling_mice
Pallenberg - if she told it straight, it would be interesting. Jagger, but I fear Mick will put such a spin on history that it will be largely pointless. If he dared to tell us the truth and not go down the Keith road of petty insults and macho posturing, then we would have us a right royal read.
Wasn't the problem even back in 1985 that Mick couldn't remember much?
Re: Books about the Stones. Is there anything else to write?
Posted by:
Gazza
()
Date: August 1, 2011 00:38
Yes.
Re: Books about the Stones. Is there anything else to write?
Posted by:
rumple21
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Date: August 1, 2011 01:26
There have been several of these career overview books which catalogue and review each album and their tracks. I usually find these interesting even if I don't always agree with the opinions given.
What is noticable is that the Stones solo work is seldom given much space and when mentioned is usually dismissed in a few short paragraphs. I'm sure this part of their career is important to the individual Stones (and ex-Stones).
In other words a good in-depth look at both the group 'and' their solo-work would be a worthy project.
What is noticable is that the Stones solo work is seldom given much space and when mentioned is usually dismissed in a few short paragraphs. I'm sure this part of their career is important to the individual Stones (and ex-Stones).
In other words a good in-depth look at both the group 'and' their solo-work would be a worthy project.
Re: Books about the Stones. Is there anything else to write?
Posted by:
Bliss
()
Date: August 2, 2011 11:36
Ania Pallenberg's point of view, which would be very skewed and unreliable, would nevertheless be fascinating to read. However, we will never see it, as she has been effectively muzzled by the ongoing financial support she derives from Keith.
I would be very willing to read accounts by Mick Taylor, Marshall Chess, and Bianca Jagger.
I would be very willing to read accounts by Mick Taylor, Marshall Chess, and Bianca Jagger.
Re: Books about the Stones. Is there anything else to write?
Posted by:
Sleepy City
()
Date: August 2, 2011 11:40
Quote
rumple21
There have been several of these career overview books which catalogue and review each album and their tracks. I usually find these interesting even if I don't always agree with the opinions given.
What is noticable is that the Stones solo work is seldom given much space and when mentioned is usually dismissed in a few short paragraphs. I'm sure this part of their career is important to the individual Stones (and ex-Stones).
In other words a good in-depth look at both the group 'and' their solo-work would be a worthy project.
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