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71Tele
Exactly right. And if they cared as much about that legacy they would be working together now to preserve it and disseminate it in the form of well-produced archival recordings, as other artists of their stature have done.
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71Tele
Exactly right. And if they cared as much about that legacy they would be working together now to preserve it and disseminate it in the form of well-produced archival recordings, as other artists of their stature have done.
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Baxter Thwaites
I have been giving the matter a great deal of thought and have come to the conclusion that the Stones are now in the past as a recording/performing entity and that the 21st century will have to manage without them. This is not a knee jerk comment, more the end result of 4 years observation of the band since I saw them perform what looks like their last ever show at the 02 in Aug 2007. The profusion of solo projects, the lack of any cohesive enthusiasm for group work and all of the negative mood music that has played since the publication of Life all points in that direction. I know they were at war in the 80s - but it's a lot easier to wage war when you are in your 40s. They are now on the cusp of 70. If they were so inclined to work together now they would be chomping at the bit to get it done.
But the great news is that they leave us a massive legacy. A collection of recordings that will never be matched in terms of diversity, longevity and quality. A pile of DVDs that will stand as a lasting testimony to a great live band. Also, a story that is the stuff of legends - they will forever stand as the ultimate rock and roll outlaws despite latter day pretenders to that throne. And who knows they may even treat us to archive products that will only enhance the legend.
Bring it on.
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71Tele
Exactly right. And if they cared as much about that legacy they would be working together now to preserve it and disseminate it in the form of well-produced archival recordings, as other artists of their stature have done.
Only one of them(Mick) takes care of this legacy, so working together with someone who cares only about his personal agenda(Keith) can be quite problematic
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Bliss
Personally, I'd feel humiliated if all anyone valued from me were my discarded rejects of 40+ years ago, in favour of my current work. I'd be disinclined to serve them up.
I have no idea why the Stones are so creatively bankrupt, particularly Mick. One's ability as a writer should increase over time, but his latest output includes gems like 'awful bad/awful sad', which, when you compare it to his earlier lyrics, it is risible.
B2B had some good material, but it was written 14 long years ago. If it were me, I would forgo all other projects and spend every waking hour crafting a new, final piece of work. I wouldn't stop til I had created a masterpiece. And that would be my last hurrah, the jewel in the crown of my legacy.
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Personally, I'd feel humiliated if all anyone valued from me were my discarded rejects of 40+ years ago, in favour of my current work. I'd be disinclined to serve them up.
I have no idea why the Stones are so creatively bankrupt, particularly Mick. One's ability as a writer should increase over time, but his latest output includes gems like 'awful bad/awful sad', which, when you compare it to his earlier lyrics, it is risible.
B2B had some good material, but it was written 14 long years ago. If it were me, I would forgo all other projects and spend every waking hour crafting a new, final piece of work. I wouldn't stop til I had created a masterpiece. And that would be my last hurrah, the jewel in the crown of my legacy.
That's assuming they have a masterpiece in them to craft. They don't. What's more humiliating than serving up "discarded rejects"? Trotting out another album of half-baked rubbish that's forgotten in five minutes in an effort to be "current".
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Personally, I'd feel humiliated if all anyone valued from me were my discarded rejects of 40+ years ago, in favour of my current work. I'd be disinclined to serve them up.
I have no idea why the Stones are so creatively bankrupt, particularly Mick. One's ability as a writer should increase over time, but his latest output includes gems like 'awful bad/awful sad', which, when you compare it to his earlier lyrics, it is risible.
B2B had some good material, but it was written 14 long years ago. If it were me, I would forgo all other projects and spend every waking hour crafting a new, final piece of work. I wouldn't stop til I had created a masterpiece. And that would be my last hurrah, the jewel in the crown of my legacy.
That's assuming they have a masterpiece in them to craft. They don't. What's more humiliating than serving up "discarded rejects"? Trotting out another album of half-baked rubbish that's forgotten in five minutes in an effort to be "current".
Yes, I am making that assumption. Rock music and rock lyrics are not rocket science, and unless one is in late stage dementia, one's composition abilities do not decline. As a writer, and also having such great familiarity with Mick's earlier work, I can see that the lyrics of ABB involved little or no craft or time invested. There's more in him, if he chooses to share it.
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Personally, I'd feel humiliated if all anyone valued from me were my discarded rejects of 40+ years ago, in favour of my current work. I'd be disinclined to serve them up.
I have no idea why the Stones are so creatively bankrupt, particularly Mick. One's ability as a writer should increase over time, but his latest output includes gems like 'awful bad/awful sad', which, when you compare it to his earlier lyrics, it is risible.
B2B had some good material, but it was written 14 long years ago. If it were me, I would forgo all other projects and spend every waking hour crafting a new, final piece of work. I wouldn't stop til I had created a masterpiece. And that would be my last hurrah, the jewel in the crown of my legacy.
That's assuming they have a masterpiece in them to craft. They don't. What's more humiliating than serving up "discarded rejects"? Trotting out another album of half-baked rubbish that's forgotten in five minutes in an effort to be "current".
Yes, I am making that assumption. Rock music and rock lyrics are not rocket science, and unless one is in late stage dementia, one's composition abilities do not decline. As a writer, and also having such great familiarity with Mick's earlier work, I can see that the lyrics of ABB involved little or no craft or time invested. There's more in him, if he chooses to share it.
OK...I counter with the fact that all the great rockers wrote their best material in their 20s and deteriorated to one degree or another as they aged. Dylan, Lennon, McCartney, Harrison, Townshend, Jagger, Richards, Costello, Davies, Young. It's a young man's game. Why? Because the experiences and background that are fertile territory for this kind of music are best found at young adulthood. Passion, romance, sexuality, a certain kind of confidence and swagger one has in one's 20s. These are subjects and experiences that make a good foundation for compelling rock & roll songs. One's compostional skills do not decline? Really? I offer as evidence in the Stones' case their last five studio albums. Make that eight studio albums if I'm really being honest. We may indeed get some more enjoyable music from these guys, but there will not be any more masterpieces.
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I'll still bet $10 that they will record and perform again with any naysayer that wants to take the action.
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KeefintheNight82
Since there is a lot of naysayers here in this thread, my offer still holds.
I'll lay even money that the Stones are not done. Will record again and will perform again together. I got ten bucks that say I'm right. Any of you know-it- alls wanna put your money where your mouth is?
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71Tele
OK...I counter with the fact that all the great rockers wrote their best material in their 20s and deteriorated to one degree or another as they aged. Dylan, Lennon, McCartney, Harrison, Townshend, Jagger, Richards, Costello, Davies, Young. It's a young man's game. Why? Because the experiences and background that are fertile territory for this kind of music are best found at young adulthood. Passion, romance, sexuality, a certain kind of confidence and swagger one has in one's 20s. These are subjects and experiences that make a good foundation for compelling rock & roll songs. One's compostional skills do not decline? Really? I offer as evidence in the Stones' case their last five studio albums. Make that eight studio albums if I'm really being honest. We may indeed get some more enjoyable music from these guys, but there will not be any more masterpieces.
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stevecardi
"You and your lady are the king and the queen,
of the rock and roll circus, that's the best I've ever seen
All your leather jackets and your faded jeans
All you have left of your rock and roll dreams
Whoa, put your leather jacket on
though it's time to be movin' on"
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stevecardi
"You and your lady are the king and the queen,
of the rock and roll circus, that's the best I've ever seen
All your leather jackets and your faded jeans
All you have left of your rock and roll dreams
Whoa, put your leather jacket on
though it's time to be movin' on"
Great Mick Taylor song. It always makes me think of Keith and Anita at Nellcote, when I listen to the lyrics.
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OK...I counter with the fact that all the great rockers wrote their best material in their 20s and deteriorated to one degree or another as they aged. Dylan, Lennon, McCartney, Harrison, Townshend, Jagger, Richards, Costello, Davies, Young. It's a young man's game. Why? Because the experiences and background that are fertile territory for this kind of music are best found at young adulthood. Passion, romance, sexuality, a certain kind of confidence and swagger one has in one's 20s. These are subjects and experiences that make a good foundation for compelling rock & roll songs. One's compostional skills do not decline? Really? I offer as evidence in the Stones' case their last five studio albums. Make that eight studio albums if I'm really being honest. We may indeed get some more enjoyable music from these guys, but there will not be any more masterpieces.
Chuck Berry wrote all his Chess classics from the age of 29 to 39.
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71Tele
OK...I counter with the fact that all the great rockers wrote their best material in their 20s and deteriorated to one degree or another as they aged. Dylan, Lennon, McCartney, Harrison, Townshend, Jagger, Richards, Costello, Davies, Young. It's a young man's game. Why? Because the experiences and background that are fertile territory for this kind of music are best found at young adulthood. Passion, romance, sexuality, a certain kind of confidence and swagger one has in one's 20s. These are subjects and experiences that make a good foundation for compelling rock & roll songs. One's compostional skills do not decline? Really? I offer as evidence in the Stones' case their last five studio albums. Make that eight studio albums if I'm really being honest. We may indeed get some more enjoyable music from these guys, but there will not be any more masterpieces.
Chuck Berry wrote all his Chess classics from the age of 29 to 39.
And how many classics did he write after that? And no, you can't include "My Ding A Ling"
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Stoneage
I said it before, the Rolling Stones is basically a late (-mid) 60s band who managed to hang on till the late 70s.
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OK...I counter with the fact that all the great rockers wrote their best material in their 20s and deteriorated to one degree or another as they aged. Dylan, Lennon, McCartney, Harrison, Townshend, Jagger, Richards, Costello, Davies, Young. It's a young man's game. Why? Because the experiences and background that are fertile territory for this kind of music are best found at young adulthood. Passion, romance, sexuality, a certain kind of confidence and swagger one has in one's 20s. These are subjects and experiences that make a good foundation for compelling rock & roll songs. One's compostional skills do not decline? Really? I offer as evidence in the Stones' case their last five studio albums. Make that eight studio albums if I'm really being honest. We may indeed get some more enjoyable music from these guys, but there will not be any more masterpieces.
Chuck Berry wrote all his Chess classics from the age of 29 to 39.
And how many classics did he write after that? And no, you can't include "My Ding A Ling"
Not many (& he hasn't released a new studio album since 1979), but my point is that he wasn't in his 20s...though if he'd started writing in 1946 when he was 20 perhaps we'd have had even greater songs!
He didn't even write My-Ding-A-Ling. [en.wikipedia.org]
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Stoneage
Yes, Sleepy City. But they had their breakthrough in the mid-sixties. And for me Beggar's Banquet was a quantum leap for the band. Before that I considered them as a bit of bluesepigons.