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Yes. It's also got a slightly countryish sound to it, but the back up chorus, and MT's guitar solo are fantastic. It's a great song, a very underrated gem. This is 'proper' love song, with no underlying sneer or cynicism.
I love those riffs going through the whole song, but I don't know what it is: organ? guitar with an effect?
anybody know?
do you think we really care?
pretty sure that is a leslie on the guitar; like on LIL.
I have always loved IYRWTBMF, and never understood why it wasn't one of our big cult favorites. The lead vocal by Jagger is a top performance. And I love how it is a proper 'chord' song; not a riff per se. But more than anything I love, musically, when it slides into the bridge (twice) "people tell me you were a vulture..." and then into "but you got a little charm around you". I just love that part.
I read that the BU vox by Blue Magic was actually o/d very late in the game.
Casino Boogie is something I never tire of...If You Really Want to Be My Friend is a once in a blue moon song for me.
Yes! And how that chorus softens with the minor chords and Mick's voice....
It's a 'proper' song isn't it?
Some Stones fans say songs like this were not Stones[/i, that Mick and Keith were losing their grit or whatever...
I think with Keith out of commission during much of this period, Jagger was exploring as a songwriter, he was writing songs, not just relying on a riff or hook or groove.
This is what he tried to do more of with his solo stuff, sometimes successfully and often not.
In fact, I always saw this period as a precursor to Mick's solo material..where he was writing primarily on his own.
DOn't get me wrong, I love the return to groove in Some Girls and beyond...
Which is why songs like IYRWTBMF is such a gem,..they capture a moment in the Stones' history. There was never anything like it before or since.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2014-08-31 06:01 by stupidguy2.
I agree. Plus they are on their last touring legs so I really don't see them ripping out anything that's obscure. I know they did with "Silver train" in Japan but really think that was a one off. I think the thing that puts me off this song is the repeating backing vocals. Actually come to think of it I think it's just the production of the whole arrangement. Too long, dated of the time sounds, could have done with a killer chorus and not asking a hundred times the title. Hey but I love IYCRM, the Temps cover and S&C and they seem to cop a bagging round these parts.
Keith may have been awol for much of this album but his guitar work on the title track is enough for me to forgive him. The opening of IORR (song) is the coolest start to any song in history.
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Underrated gem
Posted by:
mtaylor
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Date: August 29, 2014 23:49
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Just wonder why such a great song like "If you really want to be my friend" never has been played live or gotten more airplay, it has great singing, composing, guitar solo, arangement, whatever....
Just wonder why such a great song like "If you really want to be my friend" never has been played live or gotten more airplay, it has great singing, composing, guitar solo, arangement, whatever....
Re: Underrated gem
Posted by:
24FPS
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Date: August 29, 2014 23:57
Because it's kind of a minor song in their canon. To do it right you'd have to have a top notch backup singing group and not the long in the tooth group they've had since 1989.
Re: Underrated gem
Posted by:
mtaylor
()
Date: August 30, 2014 00:03
They have the Group to play it - it is just a matter of wanting to do it or not. Playing it some times and it would be a great succes.
Re: Underrated gem
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NICOS
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Date: August 30, 2014 00:18
The really doesn't do it for me never did......all the time I'm waiting something to happen and there is nothing......
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Re: Underrated gem
Posted by:
barbabang
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Date: August 30, 2014 00:23
I think they should give it a chance. It might work. Australia?
Re: Underrated gem
Posted by:
NICOS
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Date: August 30, 2014 00:52
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NICOS
The song really doesn't do it for me never did......all the time I'm waiting something to happen and there is nothing......
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Re: Underrated gem
Posted by:
mtaylor
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Date: August 30, 2014 00:54
It is a great song, like lot's of other great Stones ballads that never got played live like they should...
Re: Underrated gem
Posted by:
Pietro
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Date: August 30, 2014 01:27
Agreed! I love "If You Really Want to Be My Friend." I always thought of it as the Stones' tribute to the Philly Soul sound.
Blue Magic, who provide the background vocals, are beautiful. This group (Blue Magic) had a top-ten hit in the summer of 1974, a few months before "It's Only Rock 'n Roll" came out. The song was called "Sideshow":
[www.youtube.com]
Here's info about the Philly Soul sound (in 1975 Elton John had is own tribute to Philly Soul - "Philadelphia Freedom"):
[en.wikipedia.org]
Blue Magic, who provide the background vocals, are beautiful. This group (Blue Magic) had a top-ten hit in the summer of 1974, a few months before "It's Only Rock 'n Roll" came out. The song was called "Sideshow":
[www.youtube.com]
Here's info about the Philly Soul sound (in 1975 Elton John had is own tribute to Philly Soul - "Philadelphia Freedom"):
[en.wikipedia.org]
Re: Underrated gem
Posted by:
stupidguy2
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Date: August 30, 2014 01:32
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Pietro
Agreed! I love "If You Really Want to Be My Friend." I always thought of it as the Stones' tribute to the Philly Soul sound.
Blue Magic, who provide the background vocals, are beautiful. This group (Blue Magic) had a top-ten hit in the summer of 1974, a few months before "It's Only Rock 'n Roll" came out. The song was called "Sideshow":
[www.youtube.com]
Here's info about the Philly Soul sound (in 1975 Elton John had is own tribute to Philly Soul - "Philadelphia Freedom"):
[en.wikipedia.org]
Yes. It's also got a slightly countryish sound to it, but the back up chorus, and MT's guitar solo are fantastic. It's a great song, a very underrated gem. This is 'proper' love song, with no underlying sneer or cynicism.
I love those riffs going through the whole song, but I don't know what it is: organ? guitar with an effect?
anybody know?
Re: Underrated gem
Posted by:
71Tele
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Date: August 30, 2014 01:37
I don't know. Why don't they play Casino Boogie and a million other songs better than IYRWTBMF?
Re: Underrated gem
Posted by:
Rockman
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Date: August 30, 2014 01:47
.....or When Your Gone ...
That one's built for a brutal on stage harp-guitar shoot-out ....
ROCKMAN
That one's built for a brutal on stage harp-guitar shoot-out ....
ROCKMAN
Re: Underrated gem
Posted by:
treaclefingers
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Date: August 30, 2014 04:30
Although a very good song, not a 'top choice' for me either.
If I'm grabbing IORR to play it's not because of IYRWTBMF...in fact I think only Short & Curlies would score lower on that album for me.
Having said that, I certainly don't skip it.
If I'm grabbing IORR to play it's not because of IYRWTBMF...in fact I think only Short & Curlies would score lower on that album for me.
Having said that, I certainly don't skip it.
Re: Underrated gem
Posted by:
KRiffhard
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Date: August 30, 2014 08:44
'Do you think i really care'..great underrated song
Re: Underrated gem
Posted by:
treaclefingers
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Date: August 30, 2014 16:30
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KRiffhard
'Do you think i really care'..great underrated song
do you think we really care?
Re: Underrated gem
Posted by:
Palace Revolution 2000
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Date: August 30, 2014 21:12
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stupidguy2Quote
Pietro
Agreed! I love "If You Really Want to Be My Friend." I always thought of it as the Stones' tribute to the Philly Soul sound.
Blue Magic, who provide the background vocals, are beautiful. This group (Blue Magic) had a top-ten hit in the summer of 1974, a few months before "It's Only Rock 'n Roll" came out. The song was called "Sideshow":
[www.youtube.com]
Here's info about the Philly Soul sound (in 1975 Elton John had is own tribute to Philly Soul - "Philadelphia Freedom"):
[en.wikipedia.org]
Yes. It's also got a slightly countryish sound to it, but the back up chorus, and MT's guitar solo are fantastic. It's a great song, a very underrated gem. This is 'proper' love song, with no underlying sneer or cynicism.
I love those riffs going through the whole song, but I don't know what it is: organ? guitar with an effect?
anybody know?
pretty sure that is a leslie on the guitar; like on LIL.
I have always loved IYRWTBMF, and never understood why it wasn't one of our big cult favorites. The lead vocal by Jagger is a top performance. And I love how it is a proper 'chord' song; not a riff per se. But more than anything I love, musically, when it slides into the bridge (twice) "people tell me you were a vulture..." and then into "but you got a little charm around you". I just love that part.
I read that the BU vox by Blue Magic was actually o/d very late in the game.
Re: Underrated gem
Posted by:
Deluxtone
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Date: August 30, 2014 22:30
The vocal is overdone.
On much of that album, but especially on this track, they are trying to be something else.
The jagger/ricahrd team had lost its natural muse - if it was even much of a team at this time.
Not sorry.
On much of that album, but especially on this track, they are trying to be something else.
The jagger/ricahrd team had lost its natural muse - if it was even much of a team at this time.
Not sorry.
Re: Underrated gem
Posted by:
swiss
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Date: August 30, 2014 22:57
Quote
71Tele
I don't know. Why don't they play Casino Boogie and a million other songs better than IYRWTBMF?
Casino Boogie is something I never tire of...If You Really Want to Be My Friend is a once in a blue moon song for me.
Re: Underrated gem
Posted by:
Brstonesfan
()
Date: August 30, 2014 23:22
One of the greatest songs ever recoded. The back ups by
Blue Magic fantastic. Great video of it n YouTube.
Blue Magic fantastic. Great video of it n YouTube.
Re: Underrated gem
Posted by:
GasLightStreet
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Date: August 31, 2014 02:07
I love this tune. And the fantastic Can You Hear The Music. Love those songs.
Re: Underrated gem
Posted by:
stupidguy2
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Date: August 31, 2014 06:00
Quote
Palace Revolution 2000Quote
stupidguy2Quote
Pietro
Agreed! I love "If You Really Want to Be My Friend." I always thought of it as the Stones' tribute to the Philly Soul sound.
Blue Magic, who provide the background vocals, are beautiful. This group (Blue Magic) had a top-ten hit in the summer of 1974, a few months before "It's Only Rock 'n Roll" came out. The song was called "Sideshow":
[www.youtube.com]
Here's info about the Philly Soul sound (in 1975 Elton John had is own tribute to Philly Soul - "Philadelphia Freedom"):
[en.wikipedia.org]
Yes. It's also got a slightly countryish sound to it, but the back up chorus, and MT's guitar solo are fantastic. It's a great song, a very underrated gem. This is 'proper' love song, with no underlying sneer or cynicism.
I love those riffs going through the whole song, but I don't know what it is: organ? guitar with an effect?
anybody know?
pretty sure that is a leslie on the guitar; like on LIL.
I have always loved IYRWTBMF, and never understood why it wasn't one of our big cult favorites. The lead vocal by Jagger is a top performance. And I love how it is a proper 'chord' song; not a riff per se. But more than anything I love, musically, when it slides into the bridge (twice) "people tell me you were a vulture..." and then into "but you got a little charm around you". I just love that part.
I read that the BU vox by Blue Magic was actually o/d very late in the game.
Yes! And how that chorus softens with the minor chords and Mick's voice....
It's a 'proper' song isn't it?
Some Stones fans say songs like this were not Stones[/i, that Mick and Keith were losing their grit or whatever...
I think with Keith out of commission during much of this period, Jagger was exploring as a songwriter, he was writing songs, not just relying on a riff or hook or groove.
This is what he tried to do more of with his solo stuff, sometimes successfully and often not.
In fact, I always saw this period as a precursor to Mick's solo material..where he was writing primarily on his own.
DOn't get me wrong, I love the return to groove in Some Girls and beyond...
Which is why songs like IYRWTBMF is such a gem,..they capture a moment in the Stones' history. There was never anything like it before or since.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2014-08-31 06:01 by stupidguy2.
Re: Underrated gem
Posted by:
Deluxtone
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Date: August 31, 2014 11:18
I agree with your analysis in italics.
Mick J exploring as main creator, with Taylor as his main collaborator.
Yes, precursor to solo work 'ethic' - he was stil tied into Stones 'marriage' at the time.
Each to his/her own.
I disagree with you about the song being a gem - I'd take a lot, if not virtually al, of his solo work in preference.
Good Stones albums have the Mick/Keith partnership. This is more in evidence on B&B and related session work - Slave - fledgling Start Me Up, etc
IORR being the first 'Designer' stones' album.
Deliberately aimed by marketeer Mick at a younger Bowie/glam audience.
TWFNO is the knock-out exception, imo. Transcendent and resplendent.
Timeless!
Mick J exploring as main creator, with Taylor as his main collaborator.
Yes, precursor to solo work 'ethic' - he was stil tied into Stones 'marriage' at the time.
Each to his/her own.
I disagree with you about the song being a gem - I'd take a lot, if not virtually al, of his solo work in preference.
Good Stones albums have the Mick/Keith partnership. This is more in evidence on B&B and related session work - Slave - fledgling Start Me Up, etc
IORR being the first 'Designer' stones' album.
Deliberately aimed by marketeer Mick at a younger Bowie/glam audience.
TWFNO is the knock-out exception, imo. Transcendent and resplendent.
Timeless!
Re: Underrated gem
Posted by:
Brstonesfan
()
Date: August 31, 2014 21:29
One of the best songs they ever recorded IMO.
Re: Underrated gem
Posted by:
Rockman
()
Date: September 1, 2014 01:47
Beautiful thing..... influenced by the soul vocal groups of those times ....
.....Spinners...OJay's ....Temps ... Stylistics ... Harold Melvin's Blue Notes
ROCKMAN
.....Spinners...OJay's ....Temps ... Stylistics ... Harold Melvin's Blue Notes
ROCKMAN
Re: Underrated gem
Posted by:
Brstonesfan
()
Date: September 1, 2014 03:19
The entire album is grossly underrated . A true masterpiece.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2014-09-01 03:19 by Brstonesfan.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2014-09-01 03:19 by Brstonesfan.
Re: Underrated gem
Posted by:
OzHeavyThrobber
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Date: September 1, 2014 04:51
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NICOS
The really doesn't do it for me never did......all the time I'm waiting something to happen and there is nothing......
I agree. Plus they are on their last touring legs so I really don't see them ripping out anything that's obscure. I know they did with "Silver train" in Japan but really think that was a one off. I think the thing that puts me off this song is the repeating backing vocals. Actually come to think of it I think it's just the production of the whole arrangement. Too long, dated of the time sounds, could have done with a killer chorus and not asking a hundred times the title. Hey but I love IYCRM, the Temps cover and S&C and they seem to cop a bagging round these parts.
Keith may have been awol for much of this album but his guitar work on the title track is enough for me to forgive him. The opening of IORR (song) is the coolest start to any song in history.
Re: Underrated gem
Posted by:
Brstonesfan
()
Date: September 1, 2014 05:29
This is where many fans abandoned the band because they were not hard enough. The metal fans totally gave up on the band. The true Stones fan understands the beauty of this album .
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