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Very true. Although, I do understand that some of the early 'Lennon/McCartney' compositions were, at least, almost 50/50 collaborations: She Loves You and I Want To Hold Your Hand being two examples. The book, 'Revolution In The Head' by Ian MacDonald is a good source for reference.
This IS the worst of all time.
1. The Beetels were/are the most overrated band/ boy band of all time. As was Lennon.
2. Every Springsteen song sounds the same
3. radiohead - What is that?
4. Joni Mitchell - is't that a doll or something?
5. Queen is the 2nd most overrated band ever. They had like 5 decent songs. All about pomp, very little substance
6. Cobain - his band might be third most overrated
I cannot continue. Oh my God
Your post... the stupid... it hurts...
[thepowergoats.com]
So you agree. Thanks
Keeping Springsteen off the list is just ridiculous. He is one of the great songwriters/poets of this generation.
Ah its good old mickscarey/aslecs/scelsa himself
Where have ya been? Doing a done deal?
What tosh.
I always get under fire when saying this around people but must admit about Queen.
Talk about your favorite band.
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OT - Lists Are Dumb, But This One Takes The Cake
Posted by:
JohnnyBGoode
()
Date: July 29, 2013 10:49
[www.classicrockmagazine.com]
Lennon and McCartney have topped a poll of the world’s best-ever songwriters.
MusicRadar ran the survey as part of their Songwriting Week, celebrating the “most crucial – and potentially the most lucrative – music-making discipline of them all.”
And while the Beatles icons hitting the number one position might be regarded as a foregone conclusion, things get less predictable further down the list.
Bob Dylan is second, followed by Queen, Neil Young and Kurt Cobain. But Oasis’ Noel Gallagher is at number eight and Radiohead are at nine, ahead of David Bowie (10), Led Zeppelin’s Jimmy Page and Robert Plant (12) and Joni Mitchell (15).
MusicRadar say of Lennon and McCartney: “The remarkable thing isn’t how well their songs have aged – it’s that they haven’t aged at all. Born of collaboration and ending as competition, their catalogue is the indisputable and indispensable songbook of the modern era; a staggering collection of compositions that, one by one, changed, challenged and defined the times with a beauty that still feels endless.”
Fellow Beatle George Harrison is placed at number 27 in the poll, which features 46 artists in total including James Hetfield at 17, Mick Jagger and Keith Richards at 21, Pete Townsend at 34, Chuck Berry at 43, Don Henley and Glenn Frey at 47, and Jeff Lynne at 49.
MusicRadar’s top 15 songwriters
1. John Lennon & Paul McCartney
2. Bob Dylan
3. Queen
4. Neil Young
5. Kurt Cobain
6. Bruce Springsteen
7. Roger Waters & David Gilmour
8. Noel Gallagher
9. Radiohead
10. David Bowie
11. Paul Simon
12. Jimmy Page & Robert Plant
13. Brian Wilson
14. Morrissey & Johnny Marr
15. Joni Mitchell
Lennon and McCartney have topped a poll of the world’s best-ever songwriters.
MusicRadar ran the survey as part of their Songwriting Week, celebrating the “most crucial – and potentially the most lucrative – music-making discipline of them all.”
And while the Beatles icons hitting the number one position might be regarded as a foregone conclusion, things get less predictable further down the list.
Bob Dylan is second, followed by Queen, Neil Young and Kurt Cobain. But Oasis’ Noel Gallagher is at number eight and Radiohead are at nine, ahead of David Bowie (10), Led Zeppelin’s Jimmy Page and Robert Plant (12) and Joni Mitchell (15).
MusicRadar say of Lennon and McCartney: “The remarkable thing isn’t how well their songs have aged – it’s that they haven’t aged at all. Born of collaboration and ending as competition, their catalogue is the indisputable and indispensable songbook of the modern era; a staggering collection of compositions that, one by one, changed, challenged and defined the times with a beauty that still feels endless.”
Fellow Beatle George Harrison is placed at number 27 in the poll, which features 46 artists in total including James Hetfield at 17, Mick Jagger and Keith Richards at 21, Pete Townsend at 34, Chuck Berry at 43, Don Henley and Glenn Frey at 47, and Jeff Lynne at 49.
MusicRadar’s top 15 songwriters
1. John Lennon & Paul McCartney
2. Bob Dylan
3. Queen
4. Neil Young
5. Kurt Cobain
6. Bruce Springsteen
7. Roger Waters & David Gilmour
8. Noel Gallagher
9. Radiohead
10. David Bowie
11. Paul Simon
12. Jimmy Page & Robert Plant
13. Brian Wilson
14. Morrissey & Johnny Marr
15. Joni Mitchell
Re: OT - Lists Are Dumb, But This One Takes The Cake
Posted by:
Wroclaw
()
Date: July 29, 2013 11:26
I do not think any reasonable person who knows a bit of British music history would continue relating to the "Lennon & McCartney" label as more than what it is... commercial label. For the vast majority of the Beatles repertoire it is known exactly who was the sole writer of any given song. With very few exceptions Paul McCartney would play in his concerts only "Lennon & McCartney written by Paul" songs - even if originally the actual recorded included both of them singing.
Re: OT - Lists Are Dumb, But This One Takes The Cake
Posted by:
its good to be anywhere
()
Date: July 29, 2013 17:06
Although I don't agree with this list (except for number 1 which is spot on) If I exclude numbers 6,8,9,11,13 & 14 it's not a bad list....I've certainly seen worse...
Re: OT - Lists Are Dumb, But This One Takes The Cake
Posted by:
Roll73
()
Date: July 29, 2013 17:14
Noel Gallagher above Brian Wilson.
Re: OT - Lists Are Dumb, But This One Takes The Cake
Posted by:
gimmelittledrink
()
Date: July 29, 2013 20:31
Chuck Berry should be in the top 5.
Re: OT - Lists Are Dumb, But This One Takes The Cake
Posted by:
GumbootCloggeroo
()
Date: July 29, 2013 20:34
What a lousy article. They don't even bother showing us the entire list?
Re: OT - Lists Are Dumb, But This One Takes The Cake
Posted by:
Big Al
()
Date: July 29, 2013 21:14
.Quote
Wroclaw
I do not think any reasonable person who knows a bit of British music history would continue relating to the "Lennon & McCartney" label as more than what it is... commercial label. For the vast majority of the Beatles repertoire it is known exactly who was the sole writer of any given song. With very few exceptions Paul McCartney would play in his concerts only "Lennon & McCartney written by Paul" songs - even if originally the actual recorded included both of them singing.
Very true. Although, I do understand that some of the early 'Lennon/McCartney' compositions were, at least, almost 50/50 collaborations: She Loves You and I Want To Hold Your Hand being two examples. The book, 'Revolution In The Head' by Ian MacDonald is a good source for reference.
Re: OT - Lists Are Dumb, But This One Takes The Cake
Posted by:
mr_dja
()
Date: July 29, 2013 21:22
Best part is where it says the list "features 46 artists in total" and then goes on to tell us that Don Henley and Glenn Frey are at #47, and Jeff Lynne is at #49.
Peace,
Mr DJA
Peace,
Mr DJA
Re: OT - Lists Are Dumb, But This One Takes The Cake
Posted by:
seitan
()
Date: July 29, 2013 21:41
Where's Leonard Cohen, Nick Cave, Jagger Richards, Tom Waits, etc...
Re: OT - Lists Are Dumb, But This One Takes The Cake
Posted by:
michaelsavage
()
Date: July 29, 2013 22:59
Quote
JohnnyBGoode
[www.classicrockmagazine.com]
Lennon and McCartney have topped a poll of the world’s best-ever songwriters.
MusicRadar ran the survey as part of their Songwriting Week, celebrating the “most crucial – and potentially the most lucrative – music-making discipline of them all.”
And while the Beatles icons hitting the number one position might be regarded as a foregone conclusion, things get less predictable further down the list.
Bob Dylan is second, followed by Queen, Neil Young and Kurt Cobain. But Oasis’ Noel Gallagher is at number eight and Radiohead are at nine, ahead of David Bowie (10), Led Zeppelin’s Jimmy Page and Robert Plant (12) and Joni Mitchell (15).
MusicRadar say of Lennon and McCartney: “The remarkable thing isn’t how well their songs have aged – it’s that they haven’t aged at all. Born of collaboration and ending as competition, their catalogue is the indisputable and indispensable songbook of the modern era; a staggering collection of compositions that, one by one, changed, challenged and defined the times with a beauty that still feels endless.”
Fellow Beatle George Harrison is placed at number 27 in the poll, which features 46 artists in total including James Hetfield at 17, Mick Jagger and Keith Richards at 21, Pete Townsend at 34, Chuck Berry at 43, Don Henley and Glenn Frey at 47, and Jeff Lynne at 49.
MusicRadar’s top 15 songwriters
1. John Lennon & Paul McCartney
2. Bob Dylan
3. Queen
4. Neil Young
5. Kurt Cobain
6. Bruce Springsteen
7. Roger Waters & David Gilmour
8. Noel Gallagher
9. Radiohead
10. David Bowie
11. Paul Simon
12. Jimmy Page & Robert Plant
13. Brian Wilson
14. Morrissey & Johnny Marr
15. Joni Mitchell
This IS the worst of all time.
1. The Beetels were/are the most overrated band/ boy band of all time. As was Lennon.
2. Every Springsteen song sounds the same
3. radiohead - What is that?
4. Joni Mitchell - is't that a doll or something?
5. Queen is the 2nd most overrated band ever. They had like 5 decent songs. All about pomp, very little substance
6. Cobain - his band might be third most overrated
I cannot continue. Oh my God
Re: OT - Lists Are Dumb, But This One Takes The Cake
Posted by:
jamesfdouglas
()
Date: July 29, 2013 23:05
Re: OT - Lists Are Dumb, But This One Takes The Cake
Posted by:
jamesfdouglas
()
Date: July 29, 2013 23:07
Quote
michaelsavage
This IS the worst of all time.
1. The Beetels were/are the most overrated band/ boy band of all time. As was Lennon.
2. Every Springsteen song sounds the same
3. radiohead - What is that?
4. Joni Mitchell - is't that a doll or something?
5. Queen is the 2nd most overrated band ever. They had like 5 decent songs. All about pomp, very little substance
6. Cobain - his band might be third most overrated
I cannot continue. Oh my God
Your post... the stupid... it hurts...
[thepowergoats.com]
Re: OT - Lists Are Dumb, But This One Takes The Cake
Posted by:
Big Al
()
Date: July 29, 2013 23:12
In regards to Radiohead: The Bends and O.K. Computer are both terrific albums, but their experimentation and weirdness amplified somewhat on subsequent releases. The two records I have mentioned both contain some quite brilliant and beautifully melodic pieces.
Re: OT - Lists Are Dumb, But This One Takes The Cake
Posted by:
michaelsavage
()
Date: July 29, 2013 23:16
Quote
jamesfdouglasQuote
michaelsavage
This IS the worst of all time.
1. The Beetels were/are the most overrated band/ boy band of all time. As was Lennon.
2. Every Springsteen song sounds the same
3. radiohead - What is that?
4. Joni Mitchell - is't that a doll or something?
5. Queen is the 2nd most overrated band ever. They had like 5 decent songs. All about pomp, very little substance
6. Cobain - his band might be third most overrated
I cannot continue. Oh my God
Your post... the stupid... it hurts...
So you agree. Thanks
Re: OT - Lists Are Dumb, But This One Takes The Cake
Posted by:
stonehearted
()
Date: July 29, 2013 23:22
Any list that draws up the best songwriters but neglects to include Ray Davies simply does not deserve to exist, let alone be taken seriously.
Re: OT - Lists Are Dumb, But This One Takes The Cake
Posted by:
michaelsavage
()
Date: July 29, 2013 23:25
Good point
Re: OT - Lists Are Dumb, But This One Takes The Cake
Posted by:
steverogan
()
Date: July 30, 2013 00:40
Quote
its good to be anywhere
Although I don't agree with this list (except for number 1 which is spot on) If I exclude numbers 6,8,9,11,13 & 14 it's not a bad list....I've certainly seen worse...
Keeping Springsteen off the list is just ridiculous. He is one of the great songwriters/poets of this generation.
Re: OT - Lists Are Dumb, But This One Takes The Cake
Posted by:
71Tele
()
Date: July 30, 2013 01:00
Queen does not belong on that list, sorry. Tom Waits, Leonard Cohen, and Chuck Berry do. I think of Zep as a great band, but not necessarily great songwriters, with the exception of a handful of tunes.
Re: OT - Lists Are Dumb, But This One Takes The Cake
Posted by:
Gazza
()
Date: July 30, 2013 01:06
Quote
michaelsavage
1. The Beetels were/are the most overrated band/ boy band of all time. As was Lennon.
Ah its good old mickscarey/aslecs/scelsa himself
Where have ya been? Doing a done deal?
Re: OT - Lists Are Dumb, But This One Takes The Cake
Posted by:
71Tele
()
Date: July 30, 2013 01:49
Quote
steveroganQuote
its good to be anywhere
Although I don't agree with this list (except for number 1 which is spot on) If I exclude numbers 6,8,9,11,13 & 14 it's not a bad list....I've certainly seen worse...
Keeping Springsteen off the list is just ridiculous. He is one of the great songwriters/poets of this generation.
Re: OT - Lists Are Dumb, But This One Takes The Cake
Posted by:
Aquamarine
()
Date: July 30, 2013 04:04
Quote
michaelsavage
This IS the worst of all time.
1. The Beetels were/are the most overrated band/ boy band of all time. As was Lennon.
2. Every Springsteen song sounds the same
3. radiohead - What is that?
4. Joni Mitchell - is't that a doll or something?
5. Queen is the 2nd most overrated band ever. They had like 5 decent songs. All about pomp, very little substance
6. Cobain - his band might be third most overrated
I cannot continue. Oh my God
What tosh.
Re: OT - Lists Are Dumb, But This One Takes The Cake
Posted by:
Palace Revolution 2000
()
Date: July 30, 2013 05:37
Obviously a silly list; but they all are. And we still discuss them here, haha..
But I have to get that obligatory self-distancing in first.
To have Queen at 3 rd place is just factually wrong. Could we not say that? How did their song catalogue impact our society, our decades? "Bohemian" is the only song that is part of today's culture.
Springsteen, Floyd, Dylan,Young, Brian Wilson, Zep, P. Simon and Bowie, and of course J/R all are so much more part of our world.
And I like Freddy a lot; don't mind Queen at all.
But I have to get that obligatory self-distancing in first.
To have Queen at 3 rd place is just factually wrong. Could we not say that? How did their song catalogue impact our society, our decades? "Bohemian" is the only song that is part of today's culture.
Springsteen, Floyd, Dylan,Young, Brian Wilson, Zep, P. Simon and Bowie, and of course J/R all are so much more part of our world.
And I like Freddy a lot; don't mind Queen at all.
Re: OT - Lists Are Dumb, But This One Takes The Cake
Posted by:
slew
()
Date: July 30, 2013 06:31
Stupid list
Re: OT - Lists Are Dumb, But This One Takes The Cake
Posted by:
Come On
()
Date: July 30, 2013 08:34
Well number one and two is correct...
Goffin/King
Leiber/Stoller
Reed
Holly
Berry
is namnes that should be in Top 10
Queen...Gallagher...Radiohead Pfuitttt!!!!
2 1 2 0
Goffin/King
Leiber/Stoller
Reed
Holly
Berry
is namnes that should be in Top 10
Queen...Gallagher...Radiohead Pfuitttt!!!!
2 1 2 0
Re: OT - Lists Are Dumb, But This One Takes The Cake
Posted by:
owlbynite
()
Date: July 30, 2013 08:38
Who'd they poll? Consider the sources....
Re: OT - Lists Are Dumb, But This One Takes The Cake
Posted by:
Rockman
()
Date: July 30, 2013 08:45
What a let-down.....thought it was gonna be Jimmy's shoppin' list .....
ROCKMAN
ROCKMAN
Re: OT - Lists Are Dumb, But This One Takes The Cake
Posted by:
Wroclaw
()
Date: July 30, 2013 09:28
Quote
michaelsavageQuote
JohnnyBGoode
[www.classicrockmagazine.com]
Lennon and McCartney have topped a poll of the world’s best-ever songwriters.
MusicRadar ran the survey as part of their Songwriting Week, celebrating the “most crucial – and potentially the most lucrative – music-making discipline of them all.”
And while the Beatles icons hitting the number one position might be regarded as a foregone conclusion, things get less predictable further down the list.
Bob Dylan is second, followed by Queen, Neil Young and Kurt Cobain. But Oasis’ Noel Gallagher is at number eight and Radiohead are at nine, ahead of David Bowie (10), Led Zeppelin’s Jimmy Page and Robert Plant (12) and Joni Mitchell (15).
MusicRadar say of Lennon and McCartney: “The remarkable thing isn’t how well their songs have aged – it’s that they haven’t aged at all. Born of collaboration and ending as competition, their catalogue is the indisputable and indispensable songbook of the modern era; a staggering collection of compositions that, one by one, changed, challenged and defined the times with a beauty that still feels endless.”
Fellow Beatle George Harrison is placed at number 27 in the poll, which features 46 artists in total including James Hetfield at 17, Mick Jagger and Keith Richards at 21, Pete Townsend at 34, Chuck Berry at 43, Don Henley and Glenn Frey at 47, and Jeff Lynne at 49.
MusicRadar’s top 15 songwriters
1. John Lennon & Paul McCartney
2. Bob Dylan
3. Queen
4. Neil Young
5. Kurt Cobain
6. Bruce Springsteen
7. Roger Waters & David Gilmour
8. Noel Gallagher
9. Radiohead
10. David Bowie
11. Paul Simon
12. Jimmy Page & Robert Plant
13. Brian Wilson
14. Morrissey & Johnny Marr
15. Joni Mitchell
This IS the worst of all time.
1. The Beetels were/are the most overrated band/ boy band of all time. As was Lennon.
2. Every Springsteen song sounds the same
3. radiohead - What is that?
4. Joni Mitchell - is't that a doll or something?
5. Queen is the 2nd most overrated band ever. They had like 5 decent songs. All about pomp, very little substance
6. Cobain - his band might be third most overrated
I cannot continue. Oh my God
I always get under fire when saying this around people but must admit about Queen.
Re: OT - Lists Are Dumb, But This One Takes The Cake
Posted by:
BowieStone
()
Date: July 30, 2013 12:13
Is this a white list?
I read it's about pop/rock songwriters... Where's Holland/Dozier/Holland, Whitfield/Strong, Michael Jackson, Smokey Robinson, Stevie Wonder, Hayes/Porter, Al Green and of course many others. Those people wrote a lot of the best pop songs ever.
I read it's about pop/rock songwriters... Where's Holland/Dozier/Holland, Whitfield/Strong, Michael Jackson, Smokey Robinson, Stevie Wonder, Hayes/Porter, Al Green and of course many others. Those people wrote a lot of the best pop songs ever.
.
Posted by:
Max'sKansasCity
()
Date: July 30, 2013 12:16
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2013-08-07 21:01 by Max'sKansasCity.
Re: OT - Lists Are Dumb, But This One Takes The Cake
Posted by:
stewedandkeefed
()
Date: July 30, 2013 16:34
The greatest living songwriter is still Chuck Berry. Bob Dylan is second. Queen? You have got to be kidding. Worst band in the Rock n Roll Hall of Fame. I believe Tele71 is being more than generous with the number five. I personally think it is one (Crazy Little Thing Called Love).
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