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#6. An even lesser role on stage would kill the band...they need to be more guitar driven...and they definitely need less Leavell...
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#3 It's not his hands it's his brain.
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#1 I think he means that him and Ron aren't virtuosos(technically limited) but
when both of them play together, they sound better than a lot of other guitar players.
#2 I believe that during some of the shows(2007) he did after he injured his head, he seemed to have some troubles on stage. Now because he is older he doesn't have the amount of energy that he used to have which may influence the way he sounds.
#3 I have no answer for that one.
#4. Rest, which I believe he has. Less alchool, less drugs.
#5 My plans are and remain the same: I buy the stuff.
#6. I wish that Keith plays his guitars, get rid of the rust. I wish that he writes new songs and that he does more backing vocals while Mick sings lead.I also wish him the best of everything.
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StonesTod
only guitar players can answer these questions? so not fair....
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#1 Both of 'em aren't the fast, virtuoso, fancy chords kinda guitarists.
they weave their playing between them like no others can.
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I am a non musician, I watch and listen to my DVD's, attend concerts, and listen to my CD's, and to my ear the Stones sound nothing short of fantastic, I am never disappointed. That being said, I wouldn't recognize good playing from bad playing, or great playing from mediocre playing, etc., etc., so when I hear many on this list question Keith's playing ability I really have no clue as to whether their analysis of his playing is valid, or invalid. With that in mind would you please be so kind to take the time to answer the following questions I have prepared as I would very much appreciate your input on this subject. I am here to learn, not challenge.
#1. What exactly did Keith mean on the 'Shine A Light' DVD when he said that both he and Ronnie were lousy guitar players, but together they were better than ten others?
not sure exactly, but it's probable it's like others have said here...talkin' technique-wise, they pretty much suck...but it's like hound dog taylor opined about his own playing: "i can't play shit, but i can sure make it sound good."
#2. What specifically has changed with Keith's guitar playing over the last five to ten years? Do you feel his playing has declined significantly during this time frame? If so, do you feel his playing is significantly affecting the overall performance of the band?
he's lost his dexterity which has severely impacted his ability to play some of the simple figures that he played easily for years. his playing took a bigtime nosedive between the '99 and '02 tours, and then another precipitous drop between '03 and '05...anyone paying a scintilla of attention should have noticed. and yes, his chops-dropoff had a big impact on the band in several ways...among them, which songs they chose to play, especially covers.
#3. How much of a factor is his arthritis in his overall playing ability?
probably much more significant than his head injury - given that the decline pre-dated his fall.
#4. What advice (if any) would you give him to improve his playing at this late stage of his career?
practice would be the expected response, but playing would also aggravate his condition, so he's basically in a no-win sitch.
#5. What are your plans as far as attending future concerts, or purchasing a new album, as it relates to his playing?
don't expect to pay money to see them anymore, like many others. hard to watch one of your heroes in a state like this. i'm sure it's no fun for him nor the band, either.... album? if it's any good, maybe - and whether it is or not is not completely dependent on his playing ability....
#6. What exactly would you like to see him do? Continue with the band? Retire? Take a lesser role with the band?
i'd like to see him in 1972....but i'm not holding my breath....
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#6. An even lesser role on stage would kill the band...they need to be more guitar driven...and they definitely need less Leavell...
So how do they go about achieving what you have suggested here? Please explain further?
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#3 It's not his hands it's his brain.
His memory? Not able to remember his guitar parts? Please explain.
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I am a non musician, I watch and listen to my DVD's, attend concerts, and listen to my CD's, and to my ear the Stones sound nothing short of fantastic, I am never disappointed. That being said, I wouldn't recognize good playing from bad playing, or great playing from mediocre playing, etc., etc., so when I hear many on this list question Keith's playing ability I really have no clue as to whether their analysis of his playing is valid, or invalid. With that in mind would you please be so kind to take the time to answer the following questions I have prepared as I would very much appreciate your input on this subject. I am here to learn, not challenge.
#1. What exactly did Keith mean on the 'Shine A Light' DVD when he said that both he and Ronnie were lousy guitar players, but together they were better than ten others?
not sure exactly, but it's probable it's like others have said here...talkin' technique-wise, they pretty much suck...but it's like hound dog taylor opined about his own playing: "i can't play shit, but i can sure make it sound good."
#2. What specifically has changed with Keith's guitar playing over the last five to ten years? Do you feel his playing has declined significantly during this time frame? If so, do you feel his playing is significantly affecting the overall performance of the band?
he's lost his dexterity which has severely impacted his ability to play some of the simple figures that he played easily for years. his playing took a bigtime nosedive between the '99 and '02 tours, and then another precipitous drop between '03 and '05...anyone paying a scintilla of attention should have noticed. and yes, his chops-dropoff had a big impact on the band in several ways...among them, which songs they chose to play, especially covers.
#3. How much of a factor is his arthritis in his overall playing ability?
probably much more significant than his head injury - given that the decline pre-dated his fall.
#4. What advice (if any) would you give him to improve his playing at this late stage of his career?
practice would be the expected response, but playing would also aggravate his condition, so he's basically in a no-win sitch.
#5. What are your plans as far as attending future concerts, or purchasing a new album, as it relates to his playing?
don't expect to pay money to see them anymore, like many others. hard to watch one of your heroes in a state like this. i'm sure it's no fun for him nor the band, either.... album? if it's any good, maybe - and whether it is or not is not completely dependent on his playing ability....
#6. What exactly would you like to see him do? Continue with the band? Retire? Take a lesser role with the band?
i'd like to see him in 1972....but i'm not holding my breath....
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#3 It's not his hands it's his brain.
His memory? Not able to remember his guitar parts? Please explain.
How can anyone play an entire solo in the wrong key after playing the same songs for decades. It's like not remembering a family members name. Alcohol and drugs effect your body and also damage your brain. yeah i sound like an anti drug commercial but it's true. Keith should never play a lead again. let Ronnie play all of them. (or maybe Wady W...hint hint)
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#6. An even lesser role on stage would kill the band...they need to be more guitar driven...and they definitely need less Leavell...
So how do they go about achieving what you have suggested here? Please explain further?
Well..they should put more focus on the guitars...not so much 5 horns and Chuck being the "musical director" and all the backing vocals..sort of like the B-stage but for the whole show...of course they'll never do that.
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I am a non musician, I watch and listen to my DVD's, attend concerts, and listen to my CD's, and to my ear the Stones sound nothing short of fantastic, I am never disappointed. That being said, I wouldn't recognize good playing from bad playing, or great playing from mediocre playing, etc., etc., so when I hear many on this list question Keith's playing ability I really have no clue as to whether their analysis of his playing is valid, or invalid. With that in mind would you please be so kind to take the time to answer the following questions I have prepared as I would very much appreciate your input on this subject. I am here to learn, not challenge.
#1. What exactly did Keith mean on the 'Shine A Light' DVD when he said that both he and Ronnie were lousy guitar players, but together they were better than ten others?
not sure exactly, but it's probable it's like others have said here...talkin' technique-wise, they pretty much suck...but it's like hound dog taylor opined about his own playing: "i can't play shit, but i can sure make it sound good."
#2. What specifically has changed with Keith's guitar playing over the last five to ten years? Do you feel his playing has declined significantly during this time frame? If so, do you feel his playing is significantly affecting the overall performance of the band?
he's lost his dexterity which has severely impacted his ability to play some of the simple figures that he played easily for years. his playing took a bigtime nosedive between the '99 and '02 tours, and then another precipitous drop between '03 and '05...anyone paying a scintilla of attention should have noticed. and yes, his chops-dropoff had a big impact on the band in several ways...among them, which songs they chose to play, especially covers.
#3. How much of a factor is his arthritis in his overall playing ability?
probably much more significant than his head injury - given that the decline pre-dated his fall.
#4. What advice (if any) would you give him to improve his playing at this late stage of his career?
practice would be the expected response, but playing would also aggravate his condition, so he's basically in a no-win sitch.
#5. What are your plans as far as attending future concerts, or purchasing a new album, as it relates to his playing?
don't expect to pay money to see them anymore, like many others. hard to watch one of your heroes in a state like this. i'm sure it's no fun for him nor the band, either.... album? if it's any good, maybe - and whether it is or not is not completely dependent on his playing ability....
#6. What exactly would you like to see him do? Continue with the band? Retire? Take a lesser role with the band?
i'd like to see him in 1972....but i'm not holding my breath....
Thanks for the input, fascinating responses. I just have one further question. Do you think his decline is pretty much normal for guitarists his age?
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#6. An even lesser role on stage would kill the band...they need to be more guitar driven...and they definitely need less Leavell...
So how do they go about achieving what you have suggested here? Please explain further?
Well..they should put more focus on the guitars...not so much 5 horns and Chuck being the "musical director" and all the backing vocals..sort of like the B-stage but for the whole show...of course they'll never do that.
But is Keith up to the task if they did put more focus on the guitars or would they have to bring in someone like Mick Taylor to pull it off?
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flilflam
I had a theory that many Stones fans were frustrated musicians who were in many ways envious of Keith's guitar virtuoso. Since I seem to have inadvertently offended everyone, I will not pursue that line of reasoning again.
I think we need to make a firm distinction between Keith's latter day STUDIO work versus the latter day LIVE CONCERT work. Since I have only attended five Stones concerts, I am not too concerned with his playing at concerts. I go to concerts to have a blast, not to obsess on every note he plays. I listen chiefly to the STUDIO work, because this is where I know I will get Keith at his very best. Listen to this song. Someone please tell me why the guitar work stinks, is unlistenable, or otherwise sucks. If you cannot tell me in words why this piece of music is terrible, then you probably do not know or are just going trolling.
I think the guitar work is jazzy, shows great rhythm, and is vintage Stones. The song is not my favorite but that is not the point. I am not a musician and do not know the difference between an Open G or an Open F or H. I just like the sound of this song and appreciate that Keith is doing much of the playing and wrote the song with Jagger. Not bad for a musician whom some think is brain dead from a fall from a tree or is so horribly crippled from arthritis that he has difficulty picking up a guitar pick. Not bad from a man who has been giving a large number of intelligent interviews lately and who just wrote a book.
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flilflam
I had a theory that many Stones fans were frustrated musicians who were in many ways envious of Keith's guitar virtuoso. Since I seem to have inadvertently offended everyone, I will not pursue that line of reasoning again.
I think we need to make a firm distinction between Keith's latter day STUDIO work versus the latter day LIVE CONCERT work. Since I have only attended five Stones concerts, I am not too concerned with his playing at concerts. I go to concerts to have a blast, not to obsess on every note he plays. I listen chiefly to the STUDIO work, because this is where I know I will get Keith at his very best. Listen to this song. Someone please tell me why the guitar work stinks, is unlistenable, or otherwise sucks. If you cannot tell me in words why this piece of music is terrible, then you probably do not know or are just going trolling.
I think the guitar work is jazzy, shows great rhythm, and is vintage Stones. The song is not my favorite but that is not the point. I am not a musician and do not know the difference between an Open G or an Open F or H. I just like the sound of this song and appreciate that Keith is doing much of the playing and wrote the song with Jagger. Not bad for a musician whom some think is brain dead from a fall from a tree or is so horribly crippled from arthritis that he has difficulty picking up a guitar pick. Not bad from a man who has been giving a large number of intelligent interviews lately and who just wrote a book.
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flilflam
I was hoping for an intelligent response from you, Roadster 32, but instead I get obscenities. Is this how you typically react when someone offers an opinion that is different from yours?
I think it is rude to curse fellow fans. What are you mad at?
I believe you owe all of us an apology.