I mean Stones fans.

Noup, lets have another tour in 2011

Jan Richards

[www.stonesondecca.com]

Probably

Thanks Jan. I need some reassurance. Feeling insecure in a UK world of dreadful music dominated by the likes of Ex Factor dross. Although from the UK the guys are appreciated more in so many other countries. They should be a national treasure but sadly not so.

Belld, are you asking if stones fans are past it, or are the stones themselves past it?


The stones are not 'past it'.

More to come I feel...

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What's your favourite flavour?...........Cherry Red!!

Are they passed giving shows of the menacing quality of 69-82? Yes, but that doesn't mean they can't entertain their legion of fans.

Yes the ones on this site who do not seem to want a tour. Fans???

Huh? Where are you getting that, ms?
Of course we do, most of us.

You'll have to ask "them", whoever 'they' are.

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Thanks Jan. I need some reassurance. Feeling insecure in a UK world of dreadful music dominated by the likes of Ex Factor dross. Although from the UK the guys are appreciated more in so many other countries. They should be a national treasure but sadly not so.

<<< They should be a national treasure but sadly not so >>>

They're victims of that well known British disease of loving losers and despising winners. It's just a regrettable fact of life, as a nation we appear to be better at celebrating failure than success, or we certainly seem to derive more satisfaction out of so doing. You're right, they should be a national treasure !

[ I want to shout, but I can hardly speak ]

I get where you are coming from, but please God forbid they should ever become a national treasure - to qualify for that "honour" means you have to have lost any edge that you ever had. And if by some very unlikely chance you haven't already lost it by the time you become a national treasure, you can bet that you very soon will.

Beast perhaps not the most appropriate words. They are revered in many other countries but all we get is usual shit bout "the combined age...wrinkly...etc. Take Argentina for example where they are appreciated even by tens of thousands of younger people. There the Stones get an audience the music deserves, truly amazing to see how they feed off each other.
I`m afraid I despair in our world of the Sun newspaper and Ex-Factor.HELP I need a tour!

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...God forbid they should ever become a national treasure - to qualify for that "honour" means you have to have lost any edge that you ever had. And if by some very unlikely chance you haven't already lost it by the time you become a national treasure, you can bet that you very soon will.

wasn't this (basically) the argument when Mick was knighted?


IORR............but I like it!

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Beast perhaps not the most appropriate words. They are revered in many other countries but all we get is usual shit bout "the combined age...wrinkly...etc. Take Argentina for example where they are appreciated even by tens of thousands of younger people. There the Stones get an audience the music deserves, truly amazing to see how they feed off each other.
I`m afraid I despair in our world of the Sun newspaper and Ex-Factor.HELP I need a tour!

Well that's just it in a nutshell DB. You've got it. Other countries seem to be able to take 'em (warts n' age n' all), love 'em, appreciate 'em - all so much more than the UK. Argentinian teenagers are obviously much more switched on than their UK counterparts, or maybe (gulp) .... X-Factor hasn't reached Buenos Aires YET !!!!! ?????

[ I want to shout, but I can hardly speak ]



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Thanks Jan. I need some reassurance. Feeling insecure in a UK world of dreadful music dominated by the likes of Ex Factor dross. Although from the UK the guys are appreciated more in so many other countries. They should be a national treasure but sadly not so.

<<< They should be a national treasure but sadly not so >>>

They're victims of that well known British disease of loving losers and despising winners. It's just a regrettable fact of life, as a nation we appear to be better at celebrating failure than success, or we certainly seem to derive more satisfaction out of so doing. You're right, they should be a national treasure !

Actually, I have been amazed how little the British seem to appreciate the wonderful rock history with which the nation very much culturally ruled the world from The Beatles and The Stones via Cream, Pink Floyd, Zeppelin to, say, The Sex Pistols and The Clash. It sounds like only the Beatles is the only thing that matters or is recognized as a national treasure. I have heard that there is that strange British mentality that once an artist goes international - read: makes US markets big time - is somehow treated as a traitor or a lost case. The British rock/pop journalism at least have been quite famous for that. Seemingly only the the Beatles has gone beyond that. But there is so much more than the FabFour. The way The Stones is treated in media is perhaps the most twisted case - at least to an outsider like me. They have a huge celebrity appeal - maybe bigger than in anywhere else in the world (something to do with them being fellow British blokes after all?) - but bloody hell any possible "mistake" or whatever negative can be found is used very harshly. The most critical reviews from the old 70's days seemed to be British ones. All the worst rumours seem still to derive from UK. Even though Mick is knighted and all, the band tends to be a bit controversial somehow. Probably some kind of love/hate thing?

But just my observations - there are people who surely know better than me. So please correct me!

- Doxa



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Got to fully agree Doxa. Our "national treasures" as dictated by the tabloid press would currently amount to Susan Boyle and Robbie Williams. Its been like this for years, I saw the Stones,Who, Free, Faces etc many times in the seventies and they were all up there getting the deserved plaudits but the legacy has been lost/missed/ignored since the mid eighties I guess. The biggest curse here is the concept of "boys bands, it is astonishing the attention, adoration and rewards they receive for little or in most cases no talent. HELP, I need a tour.

I think the Stones have actually deserved being included on UNESCOs list of cultural heritage!
Now the French meal is included, and I'd say the Stones have had a lot more impact globally and culturally than some fancy high priced small plates of whatever...

34th session of the Committee
Brasília, Brazil
25 July - 03 August 2010
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Documents
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Australia, Bahrain, Barbados, Brazil, Cambodia, China, Egypt, Estonia, Ethiopia, France, Iraq, Jordan, Brazil)
Rapporteur: Dr Britta Rudolff (Bahrain)
Vice-Chairpersons: Egypt , Russian Federation , South Africa , Sweden , Thailand

The essential functions of the Committee are to:
(i) identify, on the basis of nominations submitted by States Parties, cultural and natural properties of outstanding universal value which are to be protected under the Convention and to list those properties on the World Heritage List;

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Thanks Jan. I need some reassurance. Feeling insecure in a UK world of dreadful music dominated by the likes of Ex Factor dross. Although from the UK the guys are appreciated more in so many other countries. They should be a national treasure but sadly not so.

<<< They should be a national treasure but sadly not so >>>

They're victims of that well known British disease of loving losers and despising winners. It's just a regrettable fact of life, as a nation we appear to be better at celebrating failure than success, or we certainly seem to derive more satisfaction out of so doing. You're right, they should be a national treasure !

Actually, I have been amazed how little the British seem to appreciate the wonderful rock history with which the nation very much culturally ruled the world from The Beatles and The Stones via Cream, Pink Floyd, Zeppelin to, say, The Sex Pistols and The Clash. It sounds like only the Beatles is the only thing that matters or is recognized as a national treasure. I have heard that there is that strange British mentality that once an artist goes international - read: makes US markets big time - is somehow treated as a traitor or a lost case. The British rock/pop journalism at least have been quite famous for that. Seemingly only the the Beatles has gone beyond that. But there is so much more than the FabFour. The way The Stones is treated in media is perhaps the most twisted case - at least to an outsider like me. They have a huge celebrity appeal - maybe bigger than in anywhere else in the world (something to do with them being fellow British blokes after all?) - but bloody hell any possible "mistake" or whatever negative can be found is used very harshly. The most critical reviews from the old 70's days seemed to be British ones. All the worst rumours seem still to derive from UK. Even though Mick is knighted and all, the band tends to be a bit controversial somehow. Probably some kind of love/hate thing?

But just my observations - there are people who surely know better than me. So please correct me!

- Doxa

You're not wrong at all, you sum it up pretty much as it is. Like I said, this "lack of appreciation" I believe stems from one of many of the quirks of this peculiar muddled up nation that we are here, much to my utter disdain on innumerable occasions I hasten to add.

[ I want to shout, but I can hardly speak ]



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Thanks Jan. I need some reassurance. Feeling insecure in a UK world of dreadful music dominated by the likes of Ex Factor dross. Although from the UK the guys are appreciated more in so many other countries. They should be a national treasure but sadly not so.

<<< They should be a national treasure but sadly not so >>>

They're victims of that well known British disease of loving losers and despising winners. It's just a regrettable fact of life, as a nation we appear to be better at celebrating failure than success, or we certainly seem to derive more satisfaction out of so doing. You're right, they should be a national treasure !

Actually, I have been amazed how little the British seem to appreciate the wonderful rock history with which the nation very much culturally ruled the world from The Beatles and The Stones via Cream, Pink Floyd, Zeppelin to, say, The Sex Pistols and The Clash. It sounds like only the Beatles is the only thing that matters or is recognized as a national treasure. I have heard that there is that strange British mentality that once an artist goes international - read: makes US markets big time - is somehow treated as a traitor or a lost case. The British rock/pop journalism at least have been quite famous for that. Seemingly only the the Beatles has gone beyond that. But there is so much more than the FabFour. The way The Stones is treated in media is perhaps the most twisted case - at least to an outsider like me. They have a huge celebrity appeal - maybe bigger than in anywhere else in the world (something to do with them being fellow British blokes after all?) - but bloody hell any possible "mistake" or whatever negative can be found is used very harshly. The most critical reviews from the old 70's days seemed to be British ones. All the worst rumours seem still to derive from UK. Even though Mick is knighted and all, the band tends to be a bit controversial somehow. Probably some kind of love/hate thing?

But just my observations - there are people who surely know better than me. So please correct me!

- Doxa

You're not wrong at all, you sum it up pretty much as it is. Like I said, this "lack of appreciation" I believe stems from one of many of the quirks of this peculiar muddled up nation that we are here, much to my utter disdain on innumerable occasions I hasten to add.

But there is one feature in the British people I have always appreciated, and you Paulywaul are a great example of that: the ability to self-criticism and even to sarcasm or irony involved in national features. Monty Python could have only been British. The Stones guys, especially Jagger, have a great deal of that in them. Always makes me smile that little remark by smiling Jagger saying in regards going drag in shooting "Have You Seen Your Mother, Baby?" that "it won't take much to ask an English guy to dress on women's clothes. It is on our blood."

- Doxa

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I think the Stones have actually deserved being included on UNESCOs list of cultural heritage!
Now the French meal is included, and I'd say the Stones have had a lot more impact globally and culturally than some fancy high priced small plates of whatever...

34th session of the Committee
Brasília, Brazil
25 July - 03 August 2010
Description
Documents
Decisions
Committee Members
Australia, Bahrain, Barbados, Brazil, Cambodia, China, Egypt, Estonia, Ethiopia, France, Iraq, Jordan, Brazil)
Rapporteur: Dr Britta Rudolff (Bahrain)
Vice-Chairpersons: Egypt , Russian Federation , South Africa , Sweden , Thailand

The essential functions of the Committee are to:
(i) identify, on the basis of nominations submitted by States Parties, cultural and natural properties of outstanding universal value which are to be protected under the Convention and to list those properties on the World Heritage List;

Well, as far as I'm concerned this decision should have taken place in 1982 (or 1990) and The Stones legacy should have been protected, and to have remained as it was then, from any kind of milkings out or destroyings ever since, including the doings of misters Jagger, Richards, Watts, Wyman, and Wood themselves...><

Now, this was a joke, couldn't resist, no need to react...

- Doxa

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Got to fully agree Doxa. Our "national treasures" as dictated by the tabloid press would currently amount to Susan Boyle and Robbie Williams.

Susan Boyle does (very brief) Mick Jagger impression:

They should do it like Presley did..one last show and on Hawaii..TV all over the world...I may watch if it isn't Costello with guests on the other chanel...

2 1 2 0

I'm too old for this shit....;-)))

Personally, I wouldn’t change the British mentality for anything in the world. It’s what gives us our identity and own sense of uniqueness.

One quick point: when non-Brit’s refer to the ‘British’, are you thinking of Scotland and Wales as well, or, as I suspect, just the English?

Thee whole thing inc the Jersey Island ....even the cows....



ROCKMAN

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I'm too old for this shit....;-)))

But but but .... you're only 21 ??

[ I want to shout, but I can hardly speak ]

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Thee whole thing inc the Jersey Island ....even the cows....

Hee, Hee.. OK!

No, I've always being curious as to how non-Brit's categorise us. I rarely, for instance, hear Americans refereing to us as English, Scotish, Welsh, etc: it's always British - there is a difference between us all, you know!

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Personally, I wouldn’t change the British mentality for anything in the world. It’s what gives us our identity and own sense of uniqueness.

One quick point: when non-Brit’s refer to the ‘British’, are you thinking of Scotland and Wales as well, or, as I suspect, just the English?

Just the English.

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Personally, I wouldn’t change the British mentality for anything in the world. It’s what gives us our identity and own sense of uniqueness.

One quick point: when non-Brit’s refer to the ‘British’, are you thinking of Scotland and Wales as well, or, as I suspect, just the English?

Just the English.

skipstone..ENGLAND RULE..OK..

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Just the English.

Yeah, well that's what I figured. It's only England that really matters, anyway!!

EN-GER-LAND!