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You'd like to think they'd pick it up after a while. In it's most basic form, it really is just remembering a few letters and their position on the stave.
I think the whole "can't read music" bit that some rock stars do is to try and display that they came from a humble background etc.
I was able to read music after a few lessons when I was 9 or 10. I havent played an instrument for 30-35 years and could still read it. Its hardly rocket science.
Recorder at school and piano privately. Both from the age of 9. I was taught the latter for 4 years.
I've always wanted to be able to play piano. I do play oboe though and study music so the whole reading aspect is quite important for me.
Didn't realise I'd made a mess of the quote in my last post...
...and you would know because?
I think for most rock musicians it's easier to create something original and inspired if you aren't aware of what 'should' or 'shouldn't' work musically. In his book Keith mentioned the 'happy accidents' that you get from just playing around and seeing what sounds good (one reason for his getting into more open tunings). At their peak, the Stones were a band that relied largely on feel and instinct- exactly the kind of band that shouldn't be worrying about learning to read or write music. I remember reading somewhere that keith wasn't even sure of the names of many of the chords he was playing in the early days....
It's a lot easier to break the rules if you don't know what they are....
Too much info...
Oh, well that's lovely...
Sure Page can read music, it was actually his forte as a session musician that he could play music with a orchestra or a band totally unrehearsed, using sheet music. In the end that was what made him decide to continue with proper bands instead as being a hired hand.
Mathijs
They DID come up with new arrangements on the warhorses. The problem is that they went back to the studio versions from 1989 and on.
It is a surprise Big Al, but pretty common knowledge.
I must've read it in Q, but you can google it and find the truth.
He admits to self-teaching himself music, but not during the session years...
As he [Page] was then unable to read music, he was given advice by fellow session guitarist Vic Flick. His work on The Kinks's "You Really Got Me" and "All Day and All of the Night", along with his indelible licks on early Van Morrison track "Baby Please Don't Go", are legendary.
[www.imdb.com]
He has also stated that "In the initial stages they just said, play what you want, cos at that time I couldn't read music or anything."
Du Noyer, Paul. “Who the hell does Jimmy Page think he is?”, Q magazine, August 1988, pp.5–7.
It's called getting paid to do it. It has nothing to do with being able to read music. Arrangements do not necessarily have anything to do with reading music.
It's true
There has never been a music stand in front of a Stone at any show.
So are we now talking about reading and memorizing music?
Its all done with feel!!!
If they were all on the same 'page' we wouldn't have such variations in performance quality...we would have the symphonic Stones.
Talk about your favorite band.
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Can Jagger or Richards read music ?
Posted by:
Kingbeebuzz
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Date: September 21, 2011 22:49
Does anyone know for sure, whether either Mick Jagger or Keith Richards can read and write music.............or is it all done by ear ???
Re: Can Jagger or Richards read music ?
Posted by:
duke richardson
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Date: September 21, 2011 23:31
No.
Yes.
Yes.
Re: Can Jagger or Richards read music ?
Posted by:
Kirk
()
Date: September 22, 2011 00:55
p.70-71 "Life". Keith's thoughts about written music.
Re: Can Jagger or Richards read music ?
Posted by:
Gazza
()
Date: September 22, 2011 00:59
It seems to be something of a badge of honour amongst rock musicians that they 'cant read music'.
However, I'd find it hard to believe that someone who has been a professional musician for 50 years couldnt do it. Its not exactly difficult and something most children are easily capable of being taught at school.
However, I'd find it hard to believe that someone who has been a professional musician for 50 years couldnt do it. Its not exactly difficult and something most children are easily capable of being taught at school.
Re: Can Jagger or Richards read music ?
Posted by:
SoulPlunderer
()
Date: September 22, 2011 01:10
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Gazza
It seems to be something of a badge of honour amongst rock musicians that they 'cant read music'.
However, I'd find it hard to believe that someone who has been a professional musician for 50 years couldnt do it. Its not exactly difficult and something most children are easily capable of being taught at school.
You'd like to think they'd pick it up after a while. In it's most basic form, it really is just remembering a few letters and their position on the stave.
I think the whole "can't read music" bit that some rock stars do is to try and display that they came from a humble background etc.
Re: Can Jagger or Richards read music ?
Posted by:
NICOS
()
Date: September 22, 2011 01:23
I don't think so, but it doesn't matter if the can read music .......most important can you make music
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Re: Can Jagger or Richards read music ?
Posted by:
Gazza
()
Date: September 22, 2011 01:56
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SoulPlundererQuote
Gazza
It seems to be something of a badge of honour amongst rock musicians that they 'cant read music'.
However, I'd find it hard to believe that someone who has been a professional musician for 50 years couldnt do it. Its not exactly difficult and something most children are easily capable of being taught at school.
You'd like to think they'd pick it up after a while. In it's most basic form, it really is just remembering a few letters and their position on the stave.
I think the whole "can't read music" bit that some rock stars do is to try and display that they came from a humble background etc.
I was able to read music after a few lessons when I was 9 or 10. I havent played an instrument for 30-35 years and could still read it. Its hardly rocket science.
Re: Can Jagger or Richards read music ?
Posted by:
SoulPlunderer
()
Date: September 22, 2011 02:04
Quote
GazzaQuote
SoulPlundererQuote
Gazza
It seems to be something of a badge of honour amongst rock musicians that they 'cant read music'.
However, I'd find it hard to believe that someone who has been a professional musician for 50 years couldnt do it. Its not exactly difficult and something most children are easily capable of being taught at school.
You'd like to think they'd pick it up after a while. In it's most basic form, it really is just remembering a few letters and their position on the stave.
I think the whole "can't read music" bit that some rock stars do is to try and display that they came from a humble background etc.
What did you play?
I was able to read music after a few lessons when I was 9 or 10. I havent played an instrument for 30-35 years and could still read it. Its hardly rocket science.
Re: Can Jagger or Richards read music ?
Posted by:
Munichhilton
()
Date: September 22, 2011 02:14
I remember a great Jimmy Page interview where he admitted he never could read music. I think Keith is in that boat after never really having any proper lessons. Although I did have proper lessons for 5 years and never worked towards reading music. I always liked the feel and soul of playing by ear. Sounded less canned than my peers who were following every note as commanded...
Re: Can Jagger or Richards read music ?
Posted by:
Gazza
()
Date: September 22, 2011 02:22
Quote
SoulPlunderer
[What did you play?
Recorder at school and piano privately. Both from the age of 9. I was taught the latter for 4 years.
Re: Can Jagger or Richards read music ?
Posted by:
SoulPlunderer
()
Date: September 22, 2011 02:26
Quote
GazzaQuote
SoulPlunderer
[What did you play?
Recorder at school and piano privately. Both from the age of 9. I was taught the latter for 4 years.
I've always wanted to be able to play piano. I do play oboe though and study music so the whole reading aspect is quite important for me.
Didn't realise I'd made a mess of the quote in my last post...
Re: Can Jagger or Richards read music ?
Posted by:
Gazza
()
Date: September 22, 2011 02:30
At your age, you're probably playing the pink oboe far too much...
Re: Can Jagger or Richards read music ?
Posted by:
treaclefingers
()
Date: September 22, 2011 03:13
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Gazza
At your age, you're probably playing the pink oboe far too much...
...and you would know because?
Re: Can Jagger or Richards read music ?
Posted by:
Gazza
()
Date: September 22, 2011 03:51
been there, done that...but only used fingers!
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2011-09-22 03:51 by Gazza.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2011-09-22 03:51 by Gazza.
Re: Can Jagger or Richards read music ?
Posted by:
matsumoto33
()
Date: September 22, 2011 04:00
Quote
Gazza
It seems to be something of a badge of honour amongst rock musicians that they 'cant read music'.
However, I'd find it hard to believe that someone who has been a professional musician for 50 years couldnt do it. Its not exactly difficult and something most children are easily capable of being taught at school.
I think for most rock musicians it's easier to create something original and inspired if you aren't aware of what 'should' or 'shouldn't' work musically. In his book Keith mentioned the 'happy accidents' that you get from just playing around and seeing what sounds good (one reason for his getting into more open tunings). At their peak, the Stones were a band that relied largely on feel and instinct- exactly the kind of band that shouldn't be worrying about learning to read or write music. I remember reading somewhere that keith wasn't even sure of the names of many of the chords he was playing in the early days....
It's a lot easier to break the rules if you don't know what they are....
Re: Can Jagger or Richards read music ?
Posted by:
Title5Take1
()
Date: September 22, 2011 04:13
Keith in some guitar magazine interview said (rough paraphrase from memory), "I once taught myself to read a bit of music, but then I quickly and intentionally forgot it because I felt it interfered more than helped."
Re: Can Jagger or Richards read music ?
Posted by:
Edith Grove
()
Date: September 22, 2011 04:31
Quote
Gazza
been there, done that...but only used fingers!
Too much info...
Re: Can Jagger or Richards read music ?
Posted by:
lonecrapshooter
()
Date: September 22, 2011 05:33
Jerry Lee Lewis and Dave Brubeck told [www.jazzwax.com] about not being able to read music...very interesting articles
Re: Can Jagger or Richards read music ?
Posted by:
SoulPlunderer
()
Date: September 22, 2011 09:27
Quote
Gazza
At your age, you're probably playing the pink oboe far too much...
Oh, well that's lovely...
Re: Can Jagger or Richards read music ?
Posted by:
Big Al
()
Date: September 22, 2011 11:53
I'm surprised regarding Page's admission that he cannot read music, especially taking into account his career as a session musician when he'd be performing on film scores etc.
Re: Can Jagger or Richards read music ?
Posted by:
Mathijs
()
Date: September 22, 2011 12:51
Quote
Big Al
I'm surprised regarding Page's admission that he cannot read music, especially taking into account his career as a session musician when he'd be performing on film scores etc.
Sure Page can read music, it was actually his forte as a session musician that he could play music with a orchestra or a band totally unrehearsed, using sheet music. In the end that was what made him decide to continue with proper bands instead as being a hired hand.
Mathijs
Re: Can Jagger or Richards read music ?
Posted by:
Stoneage
()
Date: September 22, 2011 14:08
Can you call yourself a professional musician without having taken a single lesson and being unable to read or write notes? Is this the reason they can't come up with new arrangements on the warhorses? They are not able to?
Re: Can Jagger or Richards read music ?
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
()
Date: September 22, 2011 14:17
Quote
Stoneage
Can you call yourself a professional musician without having taken a single lesson and being unable to read or write notes? Is this the reason they can't come up with new arrangements on the warhorses? They are not able to?
They DID come up with new arrangements on the warhorses. The problem is that they went back to the studio versions from 1989 and on.Re: Can Jagger or Richards read music ?
Posted by:
teleblaster
()
Date: September 22, 2011 14:18
Being a professional musician is more about making your living at it than being able to read or not. Arrangements of the warhorses do change over the years - I assumed it was Chuck who did this. Horn players almost invariably can read.
I was classically taught on French Horn, amongst other things. The ability to read is NOT an advantage in Blues guitar (or blues-based guitar) - it complicates nuances that are better detected by ear.
I was classically taught on French Horn, amongst other things. The ability to read is NOT an advantage in Blues guitar (or blues-based guitar) - it complicates nuances that are better detected by ear.
Re: Can Jagger or Richards read music ?
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
()
Date: September 22, 2011 14:33
Quote
teleblaster
Being a professional musician is more about making your living at it than being able to read or not. Arrangements of the warhorses do change over the years - I assumed it was Chuck who did this. Horn players almost invariably can read.
I was classically taught on French Horn, amongst other things. The ability to read is NOT an advantage in Blues guitar (or blues-based guitar) - it complicates nuances that are better detected by ear.
Re: Can Jagger or Richards read music ?
Posted by:
Munichhilton
()
Date: September 22, 2011 17:00
Quote
MathijsQuote
Big Al
I'm surprised regarding Page's admission that he cannot read music, especially taking into account his career as a session musician when he'd be performing on film scores etc.
Sure Page can read music, it was actually his forte as a session musician that he could play music with a orchestra or a band totally unrehearsed, using sheet music. In the end that was what made him decide to continue with proper bands instead as being a hired hand.
Mathijs
It is a surprise Big Al, but pretty common knowledge.
I must've read it in Q, but you can google it and find the truth.
He admits to self-teaching himself music, but not during the session years...
As he [Page] was then unable to read music, he was given advice by fellow session guitarist Vic Flick. His work on The Kinks's "You Really Got Me" and "All Day and All of the Night", along with his indelible licks on early Van Morrison track "Baby Please Don't Go", are legendary.
[www.imdb.com]
He has also stated that "In the initial stages they just said, play what you want, cos at that time I couldn't read music or anything."
Du Noyer, Paul. “Who the hell does Jimmy Page think he is?”, Q magazine, August 1988, pp.5–7.
Re: Can Jagger or Richards read music ?
Posted by:
DragonSky
()
Date: September 22, 2011 17:07
Quote
Stoneage
Can you call yourself a professional musician without having taken a single lesson and being unable to read or write notes? Is this the reason they can't come up with new arrangements on the warhorses? They are not able to?
It's called getting paid to do it. It has nothing to do with being able to read music. Arrangements do not necessarily have anything to do with reading music.
Re: Can Jagger or Richards read music ?
Posted by:
Munichhilton
()
Date: September 22, 2011 18:19
Quote
DragonSkyQuote
Stoneage
Can you call yourself a professional musician without having taken a single lesson and being unable to read or write notes? Is this the reason they can't come up with new arrangements on the warhorses? They are not able to?
It's called getting paid to do it. It has nothing to do with being able to read music. Arrangements do not necessarily have anything to do with reading music.
It's true
There has never been a music stand in front of a Stone at any show.
So are we now talking about reading and memorizing music?
Its all done with feel!!!
If they were all on the same 'page' we wouldn't have such variations in performance quality...we would have the symphonic Stones.
Re: Can Jagger or Richards read music ?
Posted by:
stones78
()
Date: September 22, 2011 18:45
That having the ability to read and write music is looked down upon is retarded.
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