I'm trying to rearrange the standard and bonus Exile songs so I can listen to them in the order they were recorded (I'm ignoring the 2009 overdubs). I've used Mathijs's list posted in a different thread recently plus the nzentgraf webite and I think I'm getting there. Any thoughts or amendments from anyone?

Hopefully you can see a change in their sound from 1969 - 71. It looks like the Sunset recording and overdubs were done in Dec 1971, and the mixing then went on through the spring of 1972. I'm a bit confused with All Down The Line, was the final version recorded in Sunset? nzentgraf seems to hint that the final version was recorded in Dec 1971. Maybe the alternate take was also.


APR69
007 Loving Cup outtake: Olympic

MAR/MAY70
005 Dancing in the Light: Olympic

JUN/JUL70
000 All Down The Line: Olympic
03 Shake Your Hips: Olympic and Sunset
05 Tumbling Dice: Olympic and Sunset
06 Sweet Virginia: Olympic and Sunset
15 All Down the Line: Olympic and Sunset
16 Stop Breaking Down: Olympic and Sunset

OCT70
006 So Divine (Aladdin Story) Stargroves
009 Good Time Woman: Stargroves

JUL/OCT/NOV71
001 Pass The Wine (Sophia Loren): Nellcote
002 Plundered My Soul: Nellcote
003 I'm Not Signifying: Nellcote
004 Following The River: Nellcote
01 Rocks Off: Nellcote and Sunset
02 Rip This Joint: Nellcote and Sunset
04 Casino Boogie: Nellcote and Sunset
10 Happy: Nellcote and Sunset
11 Turd on the Run: Nellcote and Sunset
12 Ventilator Blues: Nellcote and Sunset
008 Soul Survivor (Keith vocal): Nellcote and Sunset
18 Soul Survivor: Nellcote and Sunset

DEC71
07 Torn and Frayed: Sunset
08 Sweet Black Angel: Sunset
09 Loving Cup: Sunset
13 I Just Want to See His Face: Sunset
14 Let It Loose: Sunset
17 Shine a Light: Sunset



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003 I'm Not Signifying: Nellcote


are there two versions now ?

I don't know about two versions - but I'm Not Signifying was recorded in Nellcote as below...


710710A 10th July - late July and 14th October - 23rd November: Villefranche-sur-mer,
France, Villa Nellcote, basement of KR's house. Producer: Jimmy Miller. Sound
engineers: Glyn Johns and Andy Johns. Incl.
- Casino Boogie (MJ/KR) -Nicky Hopkins on piano, Bobby Keys on
sax; Exile On Main St.-version
- Fast Talking Slow Walking (MJ/KR) -Nicky Hopkins on piano
- Following The River I (MJ/KR) -Nicky Hopkins on piano; unverified
instrumental; date unsure
- Fragile (MJ/KR) -unverified
- Happy (MJ/KR) -Jimmy Miller on drums, Bobby Keys on sax and percussion,
Nicky Hopkins on piano, Jim Price on trumpet and/or trombone; Exile On Main
St.-version
- I'm Not Signifying I (MJ/KR)
- Let It Loose II (MJ/KR) -Nicky Hopkins on piano and mellotron;
backing track
- Loving Cup II (MJ/KR) -Nicky Hopkins on piano; first part identical to version I,
spliced together with a new second part (starting at 2.12); date unsure
- Pass The Wine (Sophia Loren) I (MJ/KR) -Nicky Hopkins on piano, Bobby Keys
on sax, Jim Price on trumpet, Jimmy Miller on percussion; instrumental
- Plundered My Soul I (MJ/KR) -Nicky Hopkins on piano, Bobby Keys on sax;
unverified instrumental; date unsure
- Rip This Joint I (MJ/KR) -unverified early version with KR on vocals
- Rocks Off (MJ/KR) -Nicky Hopkins on piano, Bobby Keys on sax, Jim
Price on trumpet and/or trombone; Exile On Main St.-version
- Soul Survivor (MJ/KR) -Nicky Hopkins on piano, Bobby Keys on sax,
Jim Price on trumpet and/or trombone; Exile On Main St.-version
- Ventilator Blues (MJ/KR/MT) -Nicky Hopkins on piano, Bobby Keys on sax,
Jim Price on trumpet and/or trombone; Exile On Main St.-version
+ more
Additional musicians: Nicky Hopkins, Jimmy Miller, Bobby Keys and Jim Price.
Note: In July they recorded about 20 new tracks. No mixing or overdubbing
was done until the 30th November.
The vocal parts for most of the tracks were recorded in Los Angeles.

i havent got the new record but in the exile preview videos it sounds like a totally different take doesnt it?

Oh I don't know then....I'm not a bootleg expert like some on this forum. Maybe others can answer this then. I've not really heard this track on bootleg so can't compare.

Meanwhile I'm hoping some folk here will be be able to correct my list where necesary, then I can burn a couple of CDs in chrono order

Dunno much about this album, but the use of mellotron on Let It Loose suggests to me that some of it was recorded in England.

Let It Loose was first recorded at Olympic in April 1969, according to Bill Wyman in Rolling With The Stones.
(This could be an unknown version, or the basic instrumental track.)
I haven´t noticed any mellotron - where in the song can it be heard?

I think Loving Cup (the "drunk" version) was the next to be recorded - in June 1969 at Olympic.



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Let It Loose was first recorded at Olympic in April 1969, according to Bill Wyman in Rolling With The Stones.
(This could be an unknown version, or the basic instrumental track.)
I haven´t noticed any mellotron - where in the song can it be heard?

I think Loving Cup (the "drunk" version) was the next to be recorded - in June 1969 at Olympic.

Majesty might be talking about the string sound; heard e.g. in very beginning behind the word "arm" and then "harm". (Re Mellotron)

Bobby Whitlock says he played on Just Want to See His Face at Olympic. Sweet Black Angel was recorded in 1970 as Bent Green needles, same backing track used. I suspect there were few songs tracked from scratch in Los Angeles in '71.

really thought Tumblin Dice was recorded in France

Let it loose is one of the most "exile" sounding tunes. Hard to believe it was record first in 69'

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Let it loose is one of the most "exile" sounding tunes. Hard to believe it was record first in 69'

I think the window dressing lends it a more sophisticated 70's feel.

In addition to the mellotron, the clarity of the drums suggests Olympic Studios to me as well, but ears are funny things.

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i havent got the new record but in the exile preview videos it sounds like a totally different take doesnt it?

It ís a totally different take.

i read once the instrumental for let it lose was recorded at nellcote and overdubs done in l.a.

Bobby Whitlock has said that "Just Want To See His Face" was recorded at Olympic alright, but AFTER they returned from Nellcote...meaning around October or early November '71, BEFORE they went to L.A. Shouldn't be that much of a shock, since several sources have them in London around that time (wasn't the fire at Redlands in late '71? Keith and Anita were there when it happened).

More than one participant recalls them doing Nellcote overdubs of the Olympic material...specifically "Sweet Virginia" and "Sweet Black Angel". I think the rough mixes of all the Olympic and Stargroves "Exile" stuff (with the original guide vocals and some guitar parts that were later redone) are pre-Nellcote. These are probably the mixes that were played for them at Nellcotte by Trevor Churchill, or whatever his name is, to remind them of what they had in the can.

I really don't think any new tracks were recorded at Sunset...just lots of overdubs. "Shine A Light" probably comes from around the same time as "I Got The Blues", which Billy Preston also played on, at Olympic in 1970 (the original version was recorded with Leon Russell in 1969). "Tumbling Dice" (the "Exile" version) is definitely a Nellcote recording, and I'm sure "Torn And Frayed" is as well. And to me, the "string" sound at the start of "Let It Loose" sounds more like a harmonium than the string setting on a Mellotron.

The Redlands fire was in 1973.

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And to me, the "string" sound at the start of "Let It Loose" sounds more like a harmonium than the string setting on a Mellotron.

It's definitely the string setting on Mellotron.

Geek fact: That infamous sound features 3 violinists playing in unison, recorded in Harry Chamberlin's home circa 1952.

The drum fills on Let It Loose reek of the crisp, but open Olympic sound. I think some form of Let It Loose recording including guitar, bass, drums piano and mellotron is from the wonderful Olympic Studios(RIP). Does Taylor play on Let it Loose?



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Bobby Whitlock has said that "Just Want To See His Face" was recorded at Olympic alright, but AFTER they returned from Nellcote...meaning around October or early November '71, BEFORE they went to L.A. Shouldn't be that much of a shock, since several sources have them in London around that time (wasn't the fire at Redlands in late '71? Keith and Anita were there when it happened).

More than one participant recalls them doing Nellcote overdubs of the Olympic material...specifically "Sweet Virginia" and "Sweet Black Angel". I think the rough mixes of all the Olympic and Stargroves "Exile" stuff (with the original guide vocals and some guitar parts that were later redone) are pre-Nellcote. These are probably the mixes that were played for them at Nellcotte by Trevor Churchill, or whatever his name is, to remind them of what they had in the can.

I really don't think any new tracks were recorded at Sunset...just lots of overdubs. "Shine A Light" probably comes from around the same time as "I Got The Blues", which Billy Preston also played on, at Olympic in 1970 (the original version was recorded with Leon Russell in 1969). "Tumbling Dice" (the "Exile" version) is definitely a Nellcote recording, and I'm sure "Torn And Frayed" is as well. And to me, the "string" sound at the start of "Let It Loose" sounds more like a harmonium than the string setting on a Mellotron.

Great stuff.

Exile On Main Street Blues? - recorded after pressing started. But it is definitely a related track.

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Exile On Main Street Blues? - recorded after pressing started. But it is definitely a related track.

You're right, I'll give you that...that's the one "Exile"-related track recorded entirely at Sunset!

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The Redlands fire was in 1973.

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And to me, the "string" sound at the start of "Let It Loose" sounds more like a harmonium than the string setting on a Mellotron.

It's definitely the string setting on Mellotron.

Geek fact: That infamous sound features 3 violinists playing in unison, recorded in Harry Chamberlin's home circa 1952.

The drum fills on Let It Loose reek of the crisp, but open Olympic sound. I think some form of Let It Loose recording including guitar, bass, drums piano and mellotron is from the wonderful Olympic Studios(RIP). Does Taylor play on Let it Loose?

Cool, thanks for the Mellotron triva...love minutae (sp?) like that! But wasn't the Chamberlin a competitor of the Mellotron? Not sure on the history there. And yes, "Let It Loose" is surely from Olympic. I don't think Mick T. is on it. FWIW, the vocal-less bootleg version is minus the Mellotron, and has a couple of ill-fitting slide licks coming in toward the second verse or so...possibly attempts at a Taylor overdub that was discarded in the mix?

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Let it loose is one of the most "exile" sounding tunes. Hard to believe it was record first in 69'

Yes, hard to believe 2 years earlier they released Let's Spend the Night Together and She's A Rainbow.

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...the vocal-less bootleg version is minus the Mellotron, and has a couple of ill-fitting slide licks coming in toward the second verse or so...possibly attempts at a Taylor overdub that was discarded in the mix?

Let It Loose - if from April 1969, the slide is probably Keith or even Ry Cooder, who played with the Stones in March-April; or could it be...Brian?

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Cool, thanks for the Mellotron triva...love minutae (sp?) like that! But wasn't the Chamberlin a competitor of the Mellotron? Not sure on the history there. And yes, "Let It Loose" is surely from Olympic. I don't think Mick T. is on it. FWIW, the vocal-less bootleg version is minus the Mellotron, and has a couple of ill-fitting slide licks coming in toward the second verse or so...possibly attempts at a Taylor overdub that was discarded in the mix?

Long story short, a rogue employee took a chamberlin and the idea over to UK and soon after the Chamberlin rip off Mellotron was born.

Does the bootleg version of Let It Loose have the effect on the guitar?

Great posts! Yes I can see now that Shine A Light has an I've Got The Blues feel about it so must have been from the same sessions.

Interesting to note that with the new Exile tracks we now have a significant number of released songs (11, or 12 you include Keith's Soul Survivor) that were recorded in Nellcote. nzentgraf states that 20 tracks were recorded there but inly lists 14. I wonder what Fast Talking Slow Walking and Fragile are like? And what of the other 6 not mentioned?

Are we sure that no new tracks were recorded from scratch in LA (apart from EOMS Blues) ?

Anyway I've given up with a chronological playlist as it's getting a bit confusing as to when songs were recorded etc (unless someone can come up with the definitive list).

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Does the bootleg version of Let It Loose have the effect on the guitar?

What is this effect by the way? It sounds like a leslie speaker.

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His Majesty
Does the bootleg version of Let It Loose have the effect on the guitar?

What is this effect by the way? It sounds like a leslie speaker.

Yup, Leslie speaker set fast.

Ok... I've always thought If You Really Want To Be My Friend was a reworking of Let It Loose. Same guitar effect, slow balad.

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i havent got the new record but in the exile preview videos it sounds like a totally different take doesnt it?

It ís a totally different take.

thanks kleermaker , so it does't have the two micks on guitars then ?
and a motorcycle instead of a unicycle !
was it possible recorded some other day

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Cool, thanks for the Mellotron triva...love minutae (sp?) like that! But wasn't the Chamberlin a competitor of the Mellotron? Not sure on the history there. And yes, "Let It Loose" is surely from Olympic. I don't think Mick T. is on it. FWIW, the vocal-less bootleg version is minus the Mellotron, and has a couple of ill-fitting slide licks coming in toward the second verse or so...possibly attempts at a Taylor overdub that was discarded in the mix?

Long story short, a rogue employee took a chamberlin and the idea over to UK and soon after the Chamberlin rip off Mellotron was born.

Does the bootleg version of Let It Loose have the effect on the guitar?

Yep, exact same guitar effect/sound, so it was probably recorded (rather than mixed) that way. BTW, the slide overdubs I referred to are so bad, they could be anyone, including Jagger!

It seems - and this is just my own guess, no other reason - that Fragile possibly wasn't finished for the release of Exile since Mick plays around with it while on tour for Exile in the movie. So maybe it's still unfinished. Why Mick couldn't have pulled it out and mixed it as, at least maybe what's even featured in the movie, is astounding to me - from what little there is of it, it sounds fantastic.