Was it good for you? Or did it make you sick of the record? Do you appreciate it on different levels now? Will you ever play it again? Did they suck all the charm from it?

didn't read any of it

It could be because the Rolling Stones haven't created any music of importance in the last 25 years. . .


Just sayin' . . .

What charm there is to be had is in the grooves (or, I guess, the bytes). The hype can neither ruin the enjoyment or enhance it. It was refreshing to see a burst of good PR for this record. A surprising amount of it was intelligently written.



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It certainly took me back to the original.

I've fallen in love with sides one and three (plus Loving Cup from 2) all over again. I'm loving the swampier stuff -- Casino Boogie, Shake Your Hips, Ventilator Blues, Just Wanna See His Face, even more than the awesome (some would say more "finished") tunes -- though ya gotta love Rocks Off, Tumbling Dice and Happy.

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It was refreshing to see a burst of good PR for this record. A surprising amount of it was intelligently written.

Especially Ben Ratliff's review in the NY Times, he was 100% correct in everything he said. By far the best piece written about the reissue.

>>Was it good for you?<<
it Sure was!

>>did it make you sick of the record?<<
you gotta be kiddin', NO!

>>Do you appreciate it on different levels now?<<
@#$%& yeah! just listen to all the details that you couldn't hear before.

>>Will you ever play it again? <<
off course! in fact I play it more than ever

>>Did they suck all the charm from it?<<
No Way! Universal's PR did what every record company is supposed to do, ...a great friggin' job! ... they are the first one to put all they're power into it.
how about reading Georgelicks' threads about the sales of the back catalogue

Now your thread title In the wake of the Exile PR onslaught.. kinda indicates you actually are Paul Cashmere? - or - you want to be like him? meh!

..kick back relax...I promise you it will take you back....its a record that never disappoints.

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It was refreshing to see a burst of good PR for this record. A surprising amount of it was intelligently written.

Especially Ben Ratliff's review in the NY Times, he was 100% correct in everything he said. By far the best piece written about the reissue.

Sure, if you think - like Ratliff does - that Happy and Casino Boogie "drag for lack of direction", and that the demo version of Loving Cup is better than the one on the original album. Needless to say I don't agree.

well writer (btw LOVED your important and beautifully written bio of bill wilson and bob smith via aol etc....and your dedication of the piece to ronnie here. grand stuff!!! i meant to say so on that thread but can't find it and i'm usually on just a cell fone (not a smart one) and can't find it now....

so thanks for that grand and important piece!!!

as for this thread. well i'm disappointed i guess. i mean it was great and grand to see all the cool mag pieces and pix so a lot of the promo i enjoyed but taking a wide angle on it now i'm sad because personally i thought this was gonna be 'the summer of exile' !!!! lots of airplay and cultural recognition and celebration of just how wonderful almost all of those tracks truly are.....!!!! and hearing' them being taken seriously by timid radio programmers etc.... but no....

really imo almost ALL of the radio promotion and a good deal of the majority of press pieces as well as marketing hooks in a wide variety all seem to be MOSTLY to do with jags new vocals, which are imo, not only beneath (WAY BENEATH) the quality of the offerings on our classic eoms, but again imo silly overbearing vocals on 'new' unreleased offerings like plunder and follow the river....
awful.
and really dishonest in the sense that exiles is being promoted with what imo is bad mick jagger solo product w/o even much of a stonesy feel once he got done with them. this gives me no pleasure to say... i don't rag for the sake of ragging or thinking my opinion and impressions are all that important, especially compared to guys i think have proven their genius over and over again....

...but to speak my truth i fancy that mick WAS being honest all those years when he said he didn't like exile. for whatever personal reasons he may have....
...and this is sorta his revenge on the whole thing....his way of DISTANCING HIMSELF even further from the glory that is exiles on main street.
i think it's cheap promo add ons getting all the airplay and much of that hype...and i think it's a shame and does exactly OPPOSITE of what i was really fervently and honestly, almost religiously, hoping this re-release would do....
...to introduce to many new fans, and a lot of older more casual fans, of the excellent artistry, and almost the cultural history of the american songbook as interpreted and envisioned so brilliantly on this important original release.
instead it's plunder this and follow that. awful stuff comparatively. a needless distraction for marketing purposes. mick finally did it; the perfect KEITH album (as far as influencing and taking lead in the actual recording process of these wonderful rich basic band tracks...and making it, as i said, a mick jagger solo stamp...not good. i don't feel good about all the hype now. i haven't heard one real exile track being talked about or featured on radio. not one.
so...for me...this re-release is more than a failure, it's a shame.

NOT IN MY PERSONAL LIFE...i have the original in various formats...i'm ok. i was hoping that EXILES ON MAIN STREET was what this was gonna be about,!!!!
and i was joyful and i was full of happy expectation, even with the unreleased things as promised cause we've all heard how excellent good time woman is before it was tumbling dice. and it's majestic imo....

but let's face it, from a press and promo angle, it is certainly NOT the case that the songs from exiles on main street were given even a quarter of a chance to re=emerge, and emerge as new, in a culture that should really be enjoying and celebrating what might very well be rock's highest water mark ever.

but the onslaught was for plunder and river and man, those tracks don't rate the bother imo. and they CONtinue to make the general music fan keep the general opinion that these guys had a few great sixties hits and have been kinda just not that important part of the rock legacy with their excellent excellent most excellent wonderful seventies music. they are their own worst enemies and do not even hazard a care it seems to me...i think us deep longtime longterm true rocking' fans care more about their legacy than they do. 'it's NOT ONLY ROCK AND ROLL. it's a legacy of the finest most raw rocking brilliant rockers ever, and they did plunder my soul but not in a good way.

it's an artistic legacy and a lifetime of work and a zillion dollars they seem to VERY MUCH CARE ABOUT; not ONLY rock and roll....
and..i doubt how much they like it anymore.

i listened to beggars on cassette last night. one speaker mono. i could not believe the warmth and power of the cymbals on salt of the earth right before charlie hits the double-time section...it's purely wonderful on so many levels. mick is not oversinging and fake dramatic posturing... i mean i don't think i would be a good fan if i just took dirty work and plunder level performances and just raved about it or made excuses for it. i expect more out of them. and i'm not interested in less.

The Exile re-issue is the only Universal that I did buy. I first heard about it when they put out the remasters last year - which I had no intention of buying since my Virgin collector issue LP-repro-packaging versions still sound just fine! (I love the little packaging touches - ie, the zipper on Sticky Fingers, the emotional rescue poster, and the Exile postcards which I was surprized not sort of done with the new Exile. I still think the packaging for the 1994 Virgin collector's issue is WAY cooler). Anyways, I'd heard that they sold a box set (yawn) with a slot for Exile which wouldn't be out till the year after (oh, inriguing). I imagined a 'what if', if they were to include bonus tracks! I had a list in my mind already. Was Blood Red Wine recorded in the 69-71 time period? I can't remember.

Anyways, I'd never dreamed until I heard confirmation that we'd be getting NEW stuff from Jagger, and that Taylor would be brought back in!!
I'm digging and listening to the 2nd disc WAY more than the 1st, but I'm listening to the original album on vinyl more than I have in years.

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Beely - great exhaustive take on exile - and thank you for the props on the aol piece i wrote

Yeah, it's cool to see the guys on the cover of all the music magazines and see Exile on the stands in the record shops, it's more fun to go to the shops than it's been in a long, long time.
I think that we will never get tired of Exile, it's not just the music on the record, it's all the books and stories and now the Stones In Exile film, L&G and CS Blues and everything.
If any of you understand Norwegian, here's a review for you:
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never ever could get sick of exile.... the bonus cd was played many times the day i got the flacs, have no desire to ever hear it again.

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It could be because the Rolling Stones haven't created any music of importance in the last 25 years. . .


Just sayin' . . .

I disagree. Important to who?? That's just a cliche.

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It could be because the Rolling Stones haven't created any music of importance in the last 25 years. . .


Just sayin' . . .

I disagree. Important to who?? That's just a cliche.

can we substitute relevance for importance? or would that still constitute a cliche?

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It could be because the Rolling Stones haven't created any music of importance in the last 25 years. . .


Just sayin' . . .

I disagree. Important to who?? That's just a cliche.

can we substitute relevance for importance? or would that still constitute a cliche?

How about substituting it with 'music that no one really cares about apart from hardcore fans'?

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It could be because the Rolling Stones haven't created any music of importance in the last 25 years. . .


Just sayin' . . .

I disagree. Important to who?? That's just a cliche.

can we substitute relevance for importance? or would that still constitute a cliche?

How about substituting it with 'music that no one really cares about apart from hardcore fans'?

well, SOME of the hardcores, maybe...others of us don't care either....

Someone needs to take a trip on that time machine to 1975 when all the Stones did was perfect and all was right with the world. Or, you could try to open your mind to the many new innovative albums and songs after 1975 and try not to be such a stick-in-the-mud. I would suggest you start with A Bigger Bang and work backward to 1976. I am sure you will like something.

Well I always listen to atleast one Exile track every day to/from work, and that has not changed much. I was very pleased about getting the Stones in Exile DVD this week as this prolonged the Exile "onslaught" for me. Listening to the different versions of Ventilator Blues on the DVD even got me more interrested in the album. So....no, Exile will live...and continue to shine. No PR stunt will ever kill it.

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Someone needs to take a trip on that time machine to 1975 when all the Stones did was perfect and all was right with the world. Or, you could try to open your mind to the many new innovative albums and songs after 1975 and try not to be such a stick-in-the-mud. I would suggest you start with A Bigger Bang and work backward to 1976. I am sure you will like something.

of those options, i choose the time machine. thanks.

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Someone needs to take a trip on that time machine to 1975 when all the Stones did was perfect and all was right with the world. Or, you could try to open your mind to the many new innovative albums and songs after 1975 and try not to be such a stick-in-the-mud. I would suggest you start with A Bigger Bang and work backward to 1976. I am sure you will like something.

less painful to start with wandering spirit, then jump in the time machine to undercover in 1983 lol.

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Someone needs to take a trip on that time machine to 1975 when all the Stones did was perfect and all was right with the world. Or, you could try to open your mind to the many new innovative albums and songs after 1975 and try not to be such a stick-in-the-mud. I would suggest you start with A Bigger Bang and work backward to 1976. I am sure you will like something.

less painful to start with wandering spirit, then jump in the time machine to undercover in 1983 lol.

with a handful of exeptions from B2B and ABB, I fully agree.

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