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Rolling STONES connection with World War II
Posted by: Honestman ()
Date: December 19, 2009 02:55

Yes I know that Mick was born in a crossfire hurricanewinking smiley

But I just want to know once for all, what the hell is this trip
with German Uniform the STONES had in the 60's.
Everyone knows this picture of Brian



He told later in the papers that he wore a Nazi Uniform to show that he was against the Nazi.
During the Ed Sullivan Show from 1966, Keith wore a german uniform on "Lady Jane" !
There's others pictures of Keith wearing a German Iron Cross from WWII.
I know that during the 60's , it was some kind of provocation against the establisment and i could get that point.
It was also during one or two years a fashion too.
Sonny BARGER used to wear some Nazi things with the Hells Angels, but he also explained that when it became a fashion, he told his guys to avoid to wear such things.
I've been told also that Keith purchased years ago the GOERING's Mercedes.
The picture sleeve from IORR is inspired by this picture!





Guy PEELAERT used to paint the STONES wearing Nazi Uniform!

So could someone tell me more about that strange trip?

HMN

Re: Rolling STONES connection with World War II
Posted by: gomp ()
Date: December 19, 2009 03:17

Jagger's song War Baby off of Primitive Cool is about his memory of growing up during the war. Can't say I'm a big fan of the song.



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Re: Rolling STONES connection with World War II
Posted by: swiss ()
Date: December 19, 2009 03:23

Quote
Honestman

The picture sleeve from IORR is inspired by this picture!




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Is it just your observation that there's a similarity? or is this a "known fact"?

Re: Rolling STONES connection with World War II
Posted by: Honestman ()
Date: December 19, 2009 03:32

It's a known fact!

Source STONES NEWS Magazine French Stones Fan-Club Issue # 62

HMN

Re: Rolling STONES connection with World War II
Posted by: Rockman ()
Date: December 19, 2009 04:48

Chris Farlowe is a collector of Nazi/SS items...[www.iorr.org]



ROCKMAN

Re: Rolling STONES connection with World War II
Posted by: pepin ()
Date: December 19, 2009 07:03

Don't talk about E.Besson here please..

Re: Rolling STONES connection with World War II
Posted by: ghostryder13 ()
Date: December 19, 2009 10:09

i thought the german cross was not a nazi symbol ?

Re: Rolling STONES connection with World War II
Posted by: Honestman ()
Date: December 19, 2009 10:13

Quote
Rockman
Chris Farlowe is a collector of Nazi/SS items...[www.iorr.org]

Yes Rockeee, I've seen your review in your thread, I didn't knew that
before.


@Pepin

I think that Keith could also be a collector and not a nazi of course to be perfectly clear! And don't worry i won't talk about the guy you mentionedwinking smiley

Charlie also collect US civil war uniform, if I'm right!

HMN



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Re: Rolling STONES connection with World War II
Posted by: Honestman ()
Date: December 19, 2009 10:15

Quote
ghostryder13
i thought the german cross was not a nazi symbol ?

My mistake , you're right!

HMN

Re: Rolling STONES connection with World War II
Posted by: RRMan03 ()
Date: December 19, 2009 11:51

Remember at their age England was at war.I know most of you have no clue. But there was a World War 2 from 1941-1945.England was completely destroyed as was France and most of Europe.We Americans tend to for get history except for the 27 million soilders that fought in Europe and the Pacific.

Re: Rolling STONES connection with World War II
Posted by: Silver Dagger ()
Date: December 19, 2009 12:07

Quote
Rockman
Chris Farlowe is a collector of Nazi/SS items...[www.iorr.org]

Er, and Keith is an authority on the Nazis too apparently. I guess it has something to do with being born in the war years, like Roger Waters' obsession with losing his dad in the Second World War. Not a healthy pasttime if you ask me. Me, I'm just obsessed with The Rolling Stones and that's the way I like it.



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Re: Rolling STONES connection with World War II
Posted by: Honestman ()
Date: December 19, 2009 12:10

Quote
RRMan03
Remember at their age England was at war.I know most of you have no clue. But there was a World War 2 from 1941-1945.England was completely destroyed as was France and most of Europe.We Americans tend to for get history except for the 27 million soilders that fought in Europe and the Pacific.

You're absolutely right , and the purpose of this thread is not to offense somebody,, if you think so I apologize, I'm not a Master of War!
I just want some explainations, because i've never seen some good explainations in books or magazines about that facts.That's all!

HMN

Re: Rolling STONES connection with World War II
Posted by: shortfatfanny ()
Date: December 19, 2009 12:13

Quote
Rockman
Chris Farlowe is a collector of Nazi/SS items...[www.iorr.org]

Lemmy of Motörhead as well as far as I know.
Strange obsession,to collect this damned nazi crap...


Re: Rolling STONES connection with World War II
Posted by: Rockman ()
Date: December 19, 2009 12:19

Er, and Keith is an authority on the Nazis too apparently. I guess it has something to do with being born in the war years, like Roger Waters' obsession with losing his dad in the Second World War. Not a healthy if you ask me. Me, I'm just obsessed with The Rolling Stones and that's the way I like it.


..........Hey Khrushchev was a big fan of John Wayne.....



ROCKMAN

Re: Rolling STONES connection with World War II
Posted by: ryanpow ()
Date: December 19, 2009 12:20

Ventilator Blues

Re: Rolling STONES connection with World War II
Posted by: Silver Dagger ()
Date: December 19, 2009 12:39

Quote
Rockman
Er, and Keith is an authority on the Nazis too apparently. I guess it has something to do with being born in the war years, like Roger Waters' obsession with losing his dad in the Second World War. Not a healthy if you ask me. Me, I'm just obsessed with The Rolling Stones and that's the way I like it.


..........Hey Khrushchev was a big fan of John Wayne.....

And John Wayne as we all know is Big Leggy.

Re: Rolling STONES connection with World War II
Posted by: Honestman ()
Date: December 19, 2009 15:26

@Silver Dagger
... and Keith is an authority on the Nazis too apparently. I guess it has something to do with being born in the war years...

I didn't get in that way but perhaps it is!

Not a healthy if you ask me. Me,

That's what I think too !

...I'm just obsessed with The Rolling Stones and that's the way I like it.

That's the main thing of course , but just obsessed is not strong enough for me!winking smiley

HMN



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Re: Rolling STONES connection with World War II
Posted by: Big Al ()
Date: December 19, 2009 16:07

Quote
RRMan03
Remember at their age England was at war.I know most of you have no clue. But there was a World War 2 from 1941-1945.England was completely destroyed quote]

The war was between 1939 and 1945 - and no, England was not completely destroyed. The East End of London suffered enormously during the blitz, but we battled on and the Nazis never managed to invade.

Re: Rolling STONES connection with World War II
Posted by: Edith Grove ()
Date: December 19, 2009 16:19

Here is my entire collection of Nazi "memorabilia."

I have an interest in WWII history and I was a coin collector as a child, so I did not pass up the opportunity to get this five-pfennig coin from 1941.
Probably as worthless now as American Confederate money. grinning smiley






Re: Rolling STONES connection with World War II
Posted by: Deltics ()
Date: December 19, 2009 16:45

I read that the Brian photos were Anita's idea and that they were some kind of anti-fascist statement, but they were widely misconstrued.



"As we say in England, it can get a bit trainspottery"

Re: Rolling STONES connection with World War II
Posted by: pepin ()
Date: December 19, 2009 17:36

JE T'AVAIS PRÉVENU !!
......
Amitiés

Re: Rolling STONES connection with World War II
Posted by: swiss ()
Date: December 20, 2009 00:03

Quote
ryanpow
Ventilator Blues

How does this relate to Stones & WWII? (sorry if that's a dense question)

Re: Rolling STONES connection with World War II
Posted by: 72stones ()
Date: December 20, 2009 00:20

Along with having grown up in wartime England, Keith is also supposed to be a big WWII history buff. I'm sure he recalls the Stuka light bomber, Heinkel He-111 and JU-88 Medium bombers well and the huge crators their bombs left. I'm sure he also remembers the Doodlebugs (V-1 and V-2 flying bombs) and the scares they induced.

Re: Rolling STONES connection with World War II
Posted by: skipstone ()
Date: December 20, 2009 00:22

War Baby SUCKS.

This is much better:




Re: Rolling STONES connection with World War II
Posted by: Honestman ()
Date: December 20, 2009 01:22

Quote
Deltics
I read that the Brian photos were Anita's idea and that they were some kind of anti-fascist statement, but they were widely misconstrued.

Agreed, and too bad , I didn't remember which one, but I've seen a UK Daily Paper with this picture on its front page, the title was Shocking or something like that,
it was just after the pictures were published!
I will try to check if I could find it again to show you the review if I could.
Hope it's not too late, it's a guy who sold this paper on EBAY some weeks ago.

HMN

Re: Rolling STONES connection with World War II
Posted by: riccardo99 ()
Date: December 20, 2009 12:48

One thing I never understood is Keith's statement that as soon as he hears sirens screaming that makes his hair raise because it rem9nds him the air raids. But those happened before he was born (December 43).

Re: Rolling STONES connection with World War II
Posted by: Mathijs ()
Date: December 20, 2009 12:53

Quote
RRMan03
Remember at their age England was at war.I know most of you have no clue. But there was a World War 2 from 1941-1945.England was completely destroyed as was France and most of Europe.We Americans tend to for get history except for the 27 million soilders that fought in Europe and the Pacific.

American history education ain't what it used to be!

Mathijs

Re: Rolling STONES connection with World War II
Posted by: with sssoul ()
Date: December 20, 2009 14:10

>> But those happened before he was born <<

the Blitz was before he was born, but that wasn't the end of the bombing.

and swiss: the relationship between Ventilator Blues and WWII is:
Nellcote was used as a Nazi headquarters, and some of the ventilators had swastikas in the filigree.

Re: Rolling STONES connection with World War II
Posted by: shortfatfanny ()
Date: December 20, 2009 14:46



Couple of days ago the original sign above the gate at the KZ Auschwitz ( "Arbeit Macht Frei" ) got robbed.

Incredible shame.

Re: Rolling STONES connection with World War II
Posted by: Honestman ()
Date: December 20, 2009 15:19

How Keith or Brian could remembered anything from WWII?
I think that like many people, they've heard about WWII by their family,
and that could be an explanation to try to understand why they used to wear Uniforms or collect Nazi things.
I could get that point as an act of exorcism ...

For Guy PEELAERT, i have some doubts about the man and his ideology...

HMN



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