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scottkeef
...my favorite is the MONO 45 single!

Absolutely so!
This has the backing vocals mixed lower, and it sounds a bit heavier - more rock´n´roll...

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Loudei
The only reason some of the live 1978's versions of TB not regarded as the best ever is because of poor sound quality, however you can feel the groove of them which are the best they've played ever.

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kleermaker
Tumbling Dice is a typical middle tempo song, like Sway, PMS, Casino Boogie, HTW and many other very good Stones songs. Something between (fast) R&R and the ballad form. The Stones were masters of the middle tempo songs. The right tempo is important: not too slow but certainly also not too fast. A matter of groove. Even for the Stones at their best this is not an easy thing to do. Another important factor is that the song doesn't fall apart (like on LYL), but remains a coherent, tight whole. If tempo and coherency are okay you've half of a wonderful performance. Most 1972, 1973 versions of TD have the right tempo (like the 1973 Brussels version: perfect tempo and very tight), but there are a also some that are too slow or too fast (like the 1994 version up here: too fast and not tight enough). Good luck!

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DandelionPowderman
<2) obviously Taylor immense add_ins to this masterpiece.>

Personally, I've always thought that TD and Happy were two of the few songs Taylor didn't add anything special to.

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kleermaker
Tumbling Dice is a typical middle tempo song, like Sway, PMS, Casino Boogie, HTW and many other very good Stones songs. Something between (fast) R&R and the ballad form. The Stones were masters of the middle tempo songs. The right tempo is important: not too slow but certainly also not too fast. A matter of groove. Even for the Stones at their best this is not an easy thing to do. Another important factor is that the song doesn't fall apart (like on LYL), but remains a coherent, tight whole. If tempo and coherency are okay you've half of a wonderful performance. Most 1972, 1973 versions of TD have the right tempo (like the 1973 Brussels version: perfect tempo and very tight), but there are a also some that are too slow or too fast (like the 1994 version up here: too fast and not tight enough). Good luck!

I absolutely agree with that analysis with 2 notes :

a) compare TD with PMS is something of an abuse ( though the connection point is the written period). Would think Dead Flowers is a more suitable comparison.

b) the MickT period versions are well above the current time ones ( though the Wembley 90, 99 and Twick 03 are within the tempo). The Brussel standards are unique because of 1) the sharp as a razor Keith sound ( I never heard him like this afterwards) and 2) obviously Taylor immense add_ins to this masterpiece.

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scottkeef
...my favorite is the MONO 45 single!

Absolutely so!
This has the backing vocals mixed lower, and it sounds a bit heavier - more rock´n´roll...

amen

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But I prefer '72 Ladies and Gentlemen. The "you got to roll me" part, while he looks up just kills me.

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Officially? Well I've always liked the Stripped B-side. I do wish we could hear the whole song though. I do like the way they spliced it but it would be cool to hear the whole tune.

I do recall thinking the Miami Voodoo show was an excellent live version - Ronnie nailed the solo, the whole tune was on fire. They've played it pretty damn good from the Steel Wheels tour on.

Although I still can't stand Mick's 'ohhh yeah''s on Shine A Light.

The LP version is supreme though - and one of the best songs ever put to tape period.