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Re: M. TAYLOR's Contribution To PMS : Old or New ?
Posted by: Anonymous User ()
Date: April 22, 2010 15:49

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I believe that if Mick Taylor had been working on a Stones project in 2009 we would know about it. .

We do. Someone (I forget who) broke the story several weeks ago that he'd added some overdubs. There were a few cynics at the time, but it turned out he was almost certanly right.

And in this day and age with the magic of pro tools its quite easy for someone to be involved on a record without going near a studio or the music industry being aware of it.
this would be my guess as to how taylor made his contribution .i would be very schocked to hear that taylor was in the studio with the glimmers and don was .gazza if im wrong please correct me ?

Re: M. TAYLOR's Contribution To PMS : Old or New ?
Posted by: saulsurvivor ()
Date: April 22, 2010 16:19

The drum beat sounds similar to "Soul Survivor" and "Tumbling Dice". Drum sounds are pretty easy to clean up and give a modern snap, but the playing itself sounds like Charlie and maybe some cymbal overdubs from Jimmy Miller or Don Was, or Mick, or Richard Nixon....Who knows?

But yeah, the drums are sloppy. Thank goodness.

Re: M. TAYLOR's Contribution To PMS : Old or New ?
Posted by: kleermaker ()
Date: April 23, 2010 01:57

I would like to hear the truth from the people who really know all about this instead of hearing all the opinions of the pundits here.

Re: M. TAYLOR's Contribution To PMS : Old or New ?
Posted by: dtklamf ()
Date: April 23, 2010 02:51

Who cares? It is a boring contribution. If you call that a contribution.

Re: M. TAYLOR's Contribution To PMS : Old or New ?
Posted by: Thru and Thru ()
Date: April 23, 2010 03:20

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I believe that if Mick Taylor had been working on a Stones project in 2009 we would know about it. .

We do. Someone (I forget who) broke the story several weeks ago that he'd added some overdubs. There were a few cynics at the time, but it turned out he was almost certanly right.

And in this day and age with the magic of pro tools its quite easy for someone to be involved on a record without going near a studio or the music industry being aware of it.

I could swear Jagger himself talked about "bringing in" MT for some overdubs in an interview he gave recently, I can't remember exactly when or where but I know I did read it somewhere, possibly on Shidoobee.

Re: M. TAYLOR's Contribution To PMS : Old or New ?
Posted by: Anonymous User ()
Date: April 23, 2010 14:09

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I would like to hear the truth from the people who really know all about this instead of hearing all the opinions of the pundits here.

I really know the truth about it. Believe me or not.
It's Taylor on Lead and rhythm.
No Keith involved.

Re: M. TAYLOR's Contribution To PMS : Old or New ?
Posted by: kleermaker ()
Date: April 23, 2010 15:29

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I would like to hear the truth from the people who really know all about this instead of hearing all the opinions of the pundits here.

I really know the truth about it. Believe me or not.
It's Taylor on Lead and rhythm.
No Keith involved.

If you say that I believe you unconditionally, Amsterdamned.

Re: M. TAYLOR's Contribution To PMS : Old or New ?
Posted by: Silver Dagger ()
Date: April 23, 2010 15:43

If Taylor did it recently then I guess he must have been sworn to secrecy not to sat anything. He probably got a couple of grand to do it, I'd guess.

But then again I thought there was bad blood between the Glimmers and Taylor after he went to the papers to say how badly he was treated.

Hopefully the truth will out.

Re: M. TAYLOR's Contribution To PMS : Old or New ?
Posted by: Rocky Dijon ()
Date: April 23, 2010 15:57

I'm not even a pundit, but it doesn't sound like Keith to my ears. I would guess one track is Taylor early seventies and the other Taylor 2009. The opening chords sound like an obvious Pro Tools overdub and are likely Jagger. So I'll go with opening guitar which then disappears after the first few seconds - Jagger and then Taylor on the other two guitar tracks throughout the song. I do, however, suspect that the title was Keith's and that one verse has Keith's contributions. I'm among the minority that do not think this is a Jagger solo composition.



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Re: M. TAYLOR's Contribution To PMS : Old or New ?
Posted by: Anonymous User ()
Date: April 23, 2010 16:05

"If Taylor did it recently then I guess he must have been sworn to secrecy not to sat anything."

You are thinking in the right direction.

Re: M. TAYLOR's Contribution To PMS : Old or New ?
Posted by: Ket ()
Date: April 23, 2010 16:21

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I would like to hear the truth from the people who really know all about this instead of hearing all the opinions of the pundits here.

I really know the truth about it. Believe me or not.
It's Taylor on Lead and rhythm.
No Keith involved.

Rubbish!

Re: M. TAYLOR's Contribution To PMS : Old or New ?
Posted by: Anonymous User ()
Date: April 23, 2010 16:38

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I would like to hear the truth from the people who really know all about this instead of hearing all the opinions of the pundits here.

I really know the truth about it. Believe me or not.
It's Taylor on Lead and rhythm.
No Keith involved.

Rubbish!

Tell me what you know then?

Re: M. TAYLOR's Contribution To PMS : Old or New ?
Posted by: SwayStones ()
Date: April 23, 2010 16:58

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I would like to hear the truth from the people who really know all about this instead of hearing all the opinions of the pundits here.

I really know the truth about it. Believe me or not.
It's Taylor on Lead and rhythm.
No Keith involved.

I tried to hear Keith as I recently told one of the poster here .
I wasn't able to .But as I am not an expert ,you know,I would be glad if someone would point out when he plays .



I am a Frenchie ,as Mick affectionately called them in the Old Grey Whistle Test in 1977 .

Re: M. TAYLOR's Contribution To PMS : Old or New ?
Posted by: Anonymous User ()
Date: April 23, 2010 17:06

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I would like to hear the truth from the people who really know all about this instead of hearing all the opinions of the pundits here.

I really know the truth about it. Believe me or not.
It's Taylor on Lead and rhythm.
No Keith involved.

I tried to hear Keith as I recently told one of the poster here .
I wasn't able to .But as I am not an expert ,you know,I would be glad if someone would point out when he plays .

It's not Keith but Mick. .I'am as sure as possible.cool smiley

Re: M. TAYLOR's Contribution To PMS : Old or New ?
Posted by: liddas ()
Date: April 23, 2010 17:27

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It's not Keith but Mick. .I'am as sure as possible.cool smiley

But old MT or new? Or both?

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Re: M. TAYLOR's Contribution To PMS : Old or New ?
Posted by: Anonymous User ()
Date: April 23, 2010 17:36

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It's not Keith but Mick. .I'am as sure as possible.cool smiley

But old MT or new? Or both?

C

Mick both ,recreation track too.I'm well informed.
The truth may be told.

Re: M. TAYLOR's Contribution To PMS : Old or New ?
Posted by: Ket ()
Date: April 23, 2010 17:36

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I would like to hear the truth from the people who really know all about this instead of hearing all the opinions of the pundits here.

I really know the truth about it. Believe me or not.
It's Taylor on Lead and rhythm.
No Keith involved.

Rubbish!

Tell me what you know then?

Keith plays on the track, I hear his distinctive style playing on it, I'm not saying he played any overdubs like Taylor did but the track still has his original part.

Re: M. TAYLOR's Contribution To PMS : Old or New ?
Posted by: StratoGR ()
Date: April 23, 2010 19:53

I like the drums on this song.Every time I hear this song it gets better.Much better than most of the songs in ABB

Re: M. TAYLOR's Contribution To PMS : Old or New ?
Posted by: Anonymous User ()
Date: April 23, 2010 21:14

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I would like to hear the truth from the people who really know all about this instead of hearing all the opinions of the pundits here.

I really know the truth about it. Believe me or not.
It's Taylor on Lead and rhythm.
No Keith involved.

Rubbish!

Tell me what you know then?



Keith plays on the track, I hear his distinctive style playing on it, I'm not saying he played any overdubs like Taylor did but the track still has his original part.

Musically spoken it could both be Mick or Keith.
But it's Mick too on the original part.Keith wasn't involved.. I know it.

Re: M. TAYLOR's Contribution To PMS : Old or New ?
Posted by: cc ()
Date: April 23, 2010 22:11

if it's jagger on the open-G riffing guitar, is it old or new? If it's new, then what parts of the track are old?

Re: M. TAYLOR's Contribution To PMS : Old or New ?
Posted by: Anonymous User ()
Date: April 23, 2010 22:15

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if it's jagger on the open-G riffing guitar, is it old or new? If it's new, then what parts of the track are old?

It's Taylor left and right on this release,slip of the mouse in my previous post.

Re: M. TAYLOR's Contribution To PMS : Old or New ?
Posted by: Loudei ()
Date: April 23, 2010 22:22

The drums sound like JImmy Miller to me

Re: M. TAYLOR's Contribution To PMS : Old or New ?
Posted by: cc ()
Date: April 23, 2010 22:24

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if it's jagger on the open-G riffing guitar, is it old or new? If it's new, then what parts of the track are old?

It's Taylor left and right on this release,slip of the mouse in my previous post.

well, regardless--if the guitars are new, what existed in 1971?

Re: M. TAYLOR's Contribution To PMS : Old or New ?
Posted by: Loudei ()
Date: April 23, 2010 22:28

Taylor's guitar is playing with mick's vocal at the end... it might be new

Re: M. TAYLOR's Contribution To PMS : Old or New ?
Posted by: Anonymous User ()
Date: April 23, 2010 22:52

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if it's jagger on the open-G riffing guitar, is it old or new? If it's new, then what parts of the track are old?

It's Taylor left and right on this release,slip of the mouse in my previous post.

well, regardless--if the guitars are new, what existed in 1971?

Who cares?Taylor did this job,lead and rhythm,left and right.If the old tape was ok they would have released it a long time ago.

Re: M. TAYLOR's Contribution To PMS : Old or New ?
Posted by: Glam Descendant ()
Date: April 24, 2010 07:37

Mick Jagger, Mick Taylor reunite in studio after 36 years

2010-03-22 10:20:00

Singer Mick Jagger is set to reunite with former 'Rolling Stones' bandmember Mick Taylor in the studio - 36 years after the guitarist left the group.
Taylor joined the rockers in 1969, replacing Brian Jones in the line-up, but he left the group five years later in 1974 after allegedly falling out with Jagger and guitarist Keith Richards.
However, they are reportedly headed into the studio to work on a new re-mastered version of the Stones' 1972 album 'Exile On Main Street', reports contactmusic.com.
According to a source, Taylor is providing 'new guitar licks' to one of the songs on the album.
The source adds, 'He said he's been in the studio with Mick Jagger.

Re: M. TAYLOR's Contribution To PMS : Old or New ?
Date: April 24, 2010 09:33

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if it's jagger on the open-G riffing guitar, is it old or new? If it's new, then what parts of the track are old?

It's Taylor left and right on this release,slip of the mouse in my previous post.

well, regardless--if the guitars are new, what existed in 1971?

Who cares?Taylor did this job,lead and rhythm,left and right.If the old tape was ok they would have released it a long time ago.

so if get what you're saying here then essentially mick and/or was came across this track in the vaults but either the tape was in poor condition or the original recording was in bad shape. so they cleaned up what they could with pro tools, but even so the original tape it was probably just a skeletal outline of the track (bass, drum, piano, horns) and then the two mick's overdubbed guitar and vox respectively, with keith adding a bit of acoustic for that "lift" to the sound he often speak about. is that a pretty accurate description of how PMS evolved?

Re: M. TAYLOR's Contribution To PMS : Old or New ?
Posted by: Anonymous User ()
Date: April 24, 2010 12:49

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if it's jagger on the open-G riffing guitar, is it old or new? If it's new, then what parts of the track are old?

It's Taylor left and right on this release,slip of the mouse in my previous post.

well, regardless--if the guitars are new, what existed in 1971?

Who cares?Taylor did this job,lead and rhythm,left and right.If the old tape was ok they would have released it a long time ago.

so if get what you're saying here then essentially mick and/or was came across this track in the vaults but either the tape was in poor condition or the original recording was in bad shape. so they cleaned up what they could with pro tools, but even so the original tape it was probably just a skeletal outline of the track (bass, drum, piano, horns) and then the two mick's overdubbed guitar and vox respectively, with keith adding a bit of acoustic for that "lift" to the sound he often speak about. is that a pretty accurate description of how PMS evolved?


I don't know in what shape the original tape was,but Mick T did the lead and rhythm,.I got this from a well informed source.
BTW Taylor is capable enough to sound like Keith,winking smiley
Here I draw the line.

Re: M. TAYLOR's Contribution To PMS : Old or New ?
Posted by: Ket ()
Date: April 24, 2010 12:57

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if it's jagger on the open-G riffing guitar, is it old or new? If it's new, then what parts of the track are old?

It's Taylor left and right on this release,slip of the mouse in my previous post.

well, regardless--if the guitars are new, what existed in 1971?

Who cares?Taylor did this job,lead and rhythm,left and right.If the old tape was ok they would have released it a long time ago.

so if get what you're saying here then essentially mick and/or was came across this track in the vaults but either the tape was in poor condition or the original recording was in bad shape. so they cleaned up what they could with pro tools, but even so the original tape it was probably just a skeletal outline of the track (bass, drum, piano, horns) and then the two mick's overdubbed guitar and vox respectively, with keith adding a bit of acoustic for that "lift" to the sound he often speak about. is that a pretty accurate description of how PMS evolved?


I don't know in what shape the original tape was,but Mick T did the lead and rhythm,.I got this from a well informed source.
BTW Taylor is capable enough to sound like Keith,winking smiley
Here I draw the line.

so who is this source you have? , sorry but I don't really put any stock into an 'unamed source', the rhythm sounds like 70's Keith and he is listed on the credits.

Re: M. TAYLOR's Contribution To PMS : Old or New ?
Posted by: Anonymous User ()
Date: April 24, 2010 14:08

I promised not to talk about it.

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