I found this while digging around for info on the NYC shows from 1969. A pretty thorough analysis. Check it out.

1969 NYC Shows and Bootlegs

have you ever come across any of these albums....???

[www.iorr.org]

Thanks to UrbanSteel & Co.

Thank You

Regarding FYYYO... has anyone noticed that the in-between bits are in stereo and the songs are in mono? A bit odd really...

I bought 'Stoned-M.S.G.', complete with taped-on cover art and purple 'Head Records' label, at an outdoor street record store in L.A. in 1970 for $2.50. Excellent quality, excellent performances (you can hear Mick talking about 'his trowsers.' And a REALLY great medley of 'Under My Thumb/I'm Free.' First rate.

And, thanks to Mr. Snow:

[www.hungercity.org]

The first acetate boot was a super rare vinyl called Broadway. Rare as hens teeth, but great quality, other than super scratchy. I will post a pic when I get home from work. Its a different acetate than the later cds. I know of at least 5 different acetates that all have some difference on them. All are apple, taken from various times during the mixing process.

1. JR 12"
2. JR 12"
3. Person who wishes to me unnamed 2x10" with Ike and Tina and BB
4. F Yer Ya Ya's Out CD acetate
5. Broadway LP aceate

JR

The song on the '69 tour that took me the longest to catch up to is "I'm Free." It never struck me has a particularly interesting song, music or lyric-wise, until I realized that Taylor had free rein on his solos. And his solos on that song varied widely. His short 20+ second solo on this MSG 27th show is a sweet little on the spot gem. For this band it hits you like a blind left hook. Where did THAT come from?

i downloaded the above files a while back--is there anything new on there i missed? sounds just like existing ya yas and the soundtracks from gimme shelter--that right?

(I mean, i know some of the mixes are a bit different--but performance-wise--nothing new, right?)

That's because I'm Free is not an interesting song. And it is very odd that they bothered to play it on that tour, especially with so many other better songs. Why not Jigsaw Puzzle? That's always amazed me that they've never played that song.

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That's because I'm Free is not an interesting song. And it is very odd that they bothered to play it on that tour, especially with so many other better songs. Why not Jigsaw Puzzle? That's always amazed me that they've never played that song.

True. The early versions on the tour are painful to listen to. I guess they want to make sure the acid was really kicking in.

[www.rollingstonesnet.com]

Here is some more info....both of the acetates on his site are in the JR family. I got them off ebay...

JR

thanks, JR--had not listened to this forever--i love the details on this site--really brings the disc to life in all its crackling nuance

It is strange how on some - I recall Love You Live having this as well - the songs sound very clear vocally - the O/D songs, and then the actual talk Mick did between the songs is very...odd sounding. As if it's in the back of the room. Damn overdubbing.

That's what cracks me up so much about LYL's vox O/Ds - they are blaringly obvious because you can hear the live vox bleeding through like a broken levee.

This analysis of GYYYO first appeared on the www about 12 years ago...I don't know how I found it but I'm pretty sure I wasn't even familiar with IORR at the time...I thought I had found one incredible piece of info surfing around at the time...the orginal posting was several pages long & contained none of the fancy colors/images/photos that this revised page displays...in fact it was more of a document presented like something an attorney would draw up for court...I also believe if my memory serves me right, this document was even MORE detailed than what is presented here...something ONLY an engineer could have provided...the precise edits/cuts for each song...detailed info on overdubs etc...you get the picture....now I don't know who Chris M. is...if he is the author of this document or just signing his name to this revision...I'm a fan of this excellent lp from the 69 tour..but I have to believe that the engineer for this lp was handed master tapes from several shows & asked to 'make it happen'...edit/splice/overdub.....smooth out the warts & use as much of the NYC tapes as possible...he did a pretty good job....Peter

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[www.rollingstonesnet.com]

Here is some more info....both of the acetates on his site are in the JR family. I got them off ebay...

JR

Another interesting read.

Can someone please enlighten me on what exactly the Apple Acetates are? The label says Apple Corps, how can this be? Did the Stones plan to release on Apple. I know they were in talks with The Beatles about joining forces, but nothing came of it. So what is the story of Ya Ya's on Apple Corps?

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[www.iorr.org]

Thanks to UrbanSteel & Co.

There seems to be something wrong on this website with Baltimore 1969 and Love In Vain...

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now I don't know who Chris M. is...if he is the author of this document or just signing his name to this revision..

Chris M. is a long-time hard-core fan of the Stones who has been writing on the internet about various aspects of the Stones live and studio recordings since at least the mid-90s.

He's spent a lot of time painstakingly reviewing the variations that exist in those recordings. He should not be confused with other Chris M.s who have turned up on this and other forums. He REALLY knows his stuff.

My God; - if you listen to the complete "Sympathy ftD" (or anything else from that time), - they've been soo hot!!

I really love those 69 tapes!

Did anybody make a disc of all those songs from Chris M.'s alternative YaYa's setlist? So getting a complete (and hopefully best) YaYa's!

Most of those tunes I have myself but I'd still love to have a complete tape/disc of it! So a trade would be nice !

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Can someone please enlighten me on what exactly the Apple Acetates are? The label says Apple Corps, how can this be? Did the Stones plan to release on Apple. I know they were in talks with The Beatles about joining forces, but nothing came of it. So what is the story of Ya Ya's on Apple Corps?

Not certain, but I do know that the Stones rehearsed for the Hyde Park show, July 1969 at Abbey Road Studios. Perhaps they got some blank acetates then, or for some other reason, just like the blank acetates that Apple had. Good question, though.

JR

Don't you mean Apple Studios, not Abbey Road? There's pics of them rehearsing at Apple circa June/July 1969.





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Oops...of course....Yes....Apple...

Thanks, for the correction. Love to hear those tapes...as I am sure most or all of it was taped.

JR

You sure, other pics show no mics on amps or drums?

If they do indeed exist, those tapes would be very interesting to hear!

the problem with im free is that it was played to slow early on, but at msg it was properly played which made it spectacular

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You sure, other pics show no mics on amps or drums?

If they do indeed exist, those tapes would be very interesting to hear!

I know of people that have seen them 20 years or so ago, but not in circulation.

Would be great to hear.

JR

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Don't you mean Apple Studios, not Abbey Road? There's pics of them rehearsing at Apple circa June/July 1969.

Great article, but as a sarcastic Jagger asks the question "can you remember the records Brian plays lead on? Not our early ones - the later ones?"

What is the answer?

Not sure about them recording at Apple? By all accounts The Beatles were barely able to record there. Magic Alex supposidly set up a "Cutting edge" studio for the boys, but when they moved during Let it Be from Twikingham to Apple, it was a mess and most the equipment wasn't even working. I would love to know how The Stones set up working at Apple and how they coordinated this, especially since Klein was then trying to rest controll of The Beatles and The Stones were not even talking to him at that point and Jagger warned Lennon about Klein. Only Macca seemed to have the good sense to stay well clear of the crook.



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