She really gets on my nerves with her pathetic display.

that's why the good lord invented fast-forward buttons.
which parts of R&R Circus groove you? i'd way rather hear about those ...

No Expectations is Amongst the HiLites 4 me

It's interesting to watch the facial expression on the violin player when Yoko starts yelling. He looks somewhat shocked.
I've never appreciated her so called contributions on that dvd.

Just catch Lennons excited expresion at the end though. It's part of the era, part of the lennon legacy. It really isn't THAT big a deal......

yeah she ruined that for me too, and it's too bad because other than her, it sounded great.

I can't remember if this has already been asked, but were any IORRers at the RNR Circus???

Of course, but then she couldn't have joined the Stones,as another thread suggested.

"No dope smoking no beer sold after 12 o'clock"

yes- she ruins the song completely- her 'performance' makes me want to vomit blood!

I can't believe 40 years later, people are still complaining viciously about Yoko. I don't really enjoy her music either, but get over it already.

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> Just catch Lennons excited expresion at the end
> though. It's part of the era, part of the lennon
> legacy.

Thats not saying much. Lennon would probably have been excited by Ono's 'art' if she had farted grapefruits for five minutes.

Too bad that at around this stage of his 'legacy' a lot of potentially good music was compromised due to other artists working with him being obliged to indulge this self indulgent pish simply because of who he was.

cc Wrote:
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> I can't believe 40 years later, people are still
> complaining viciously about Yoko. I don't really
> enjoy her music either, but get over it already.


I understand the complaints. Here's some of the best musicians in the world - carefully selected for Dirty Mac - and Yoko Ono is allowed to turn it into a horrormovie, just because she's married to John.
Yer Blues was great....and we could have had one more of that sort, if it wasn't the Whole Lotta Yoko joke.

cc Wrote:
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> I can't believe 40 years later, people are still
> complaining viciously about Yoko. I don't really
> enjoy her music either, but get over it already.


she ruined a precious moment in history, i can't get over it, granted I don't think of it on a daily basis, but when it's brought up, the thought of it annoys me.

I'm inclined to agree with CC.
I can't be doing with Mrs Ono Lenon either but she was expressing her art and John was evidently sufficiently mesmerised by her to let her do it on his platform for a number of years.
She did seem to make him happy in the years before his premature demise...so maybe it's time folks gave her a break.

"Thats not saying much. Lennon would probably have been excited by Ono's 'art' if she had farted grapefruits for five minutes.

Too bad that at around this stage of his 'legacy' a lot of potentially good music was compromised due to other artists working with him being obliged to indulge this self indulgent pish simply because of who he was."

Been a while since I gotta reprimand of WPC Gazza ;-)

If there wasn't people like Yoko around wouldn't life be dull?

And lennon was to go on and produce two of his finest solo efforts soon after. So stil alot of good music was created even if some was comprimised on his behalf.

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> I'm inclined to agree with CC.
> I can't be doing with Mrs Ono Lenon either but she
> was expressing her art and John was evidently
> sufficiently mesmerised by her to let her do it on
> his platform for a number of years.
> She did seem to make him happy in the years before
> his premature demise...so maybe it's time folks
> gave her a break.


I give her credit for making John happy, but this is something different entirely. I do not believe for one second that what she did was "art". Expressing herself, maybe, art, no.

I love John, but forcing everyone else to listen to her crap, simply because he fell under the spell of her hypnotic snatch was somewhat selfish of him.

But that's purely your view on the performance. Other might find it rewarding?

Just because the mass don't like something does that mean these performances should never happen?

ablett Wrote:
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> "Thats not saying much. Lennon would probably have
> been excited by Ono's 'art' if she had farted
> grapefruits for five minutes.
>
> Too bad that at around this stage of his 'legacy'
> a lot of potentially good music was compromised
> due to other artists working with him being
> obliged to indulge this self indulgent pish simply
> because of who he was."
>
> Been a while since I gotta reprimand of WPC Gazza
> ;-)
>
> If there wasn't people like Yoko around wouldn't
> life be dull?
>
>

Sure. I basically agree with what Cindy said. I've nothing against Yoko personally - in fact I've every sympathy for her in the way she had to witness losing her husband in such a violent way. I just cant see her 'contribution' to Lennon's music (and those he worked with at the time) as positive.

And lennon was to go on and produce two of his
> finest solo efforts soon after. So stil alot of
> good music was created even if some was
> comprimised on his behalf.

He soon lost his muse, though. Little of what Lennon wrote post-1971 can be compared to most of what he had put out before it...and he was certainly well down the road of self-indulgence by the time of R&R Circus.

I don't think it's the mass the doesn't like it, I think it's unanimous less one (john).

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> But that's purely your view on the performance.
> Other might find it rewarding?

name them...LOL
>
> Just because the mass don't like something does
> that mean these performances should never happen?

definitely not. if anything I'd argue that I wish a lot of what the 'masses' like should never happen. I give you Westlife.

'Hypnotic snatch'....LOL

Thats a great title for a porn film.

"He soon lost his muse, though. Little of what Lennon wrote post-1971 can be compared to most of what he had put out before it...and he was certainly well down the road of self-indulgence by the time of R&R Circus."

But that happens with most artists. Bowie post 81, The Who post 75, The stones.....

I aint just down to the missus. The imagine album and the plastic Ono album were superb by any standard.....

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I aint just down to the missus. The imagine album and the plastic Ono album were superb by any standard.....

I agree 100%. Plastic Ono album has moved me to tears several times. It's so heartfelt and honest.

True, but while Lennon receives a lot of critical and public plaudits as a 'great' solo artist, even as a fan, I personally dont see it.

criticisms of Yoko almost always go above and beyond the quite understandable case that most people, myself included, dont enjoy listening to her music. consider the late 60s atmosphere on display for this show--Yoko is part and parcel of that, just as is the virtually unrehearsed, not-really-a-band "Dirty Mac." I also think that anyone who gets enraged at her just confirms what she tried to do--she clearly wasn't interested in conventional music, for better or for worse. john's power at this time was such that he could promote this--though it's notable that the show never aired and who knows if these numbers would have made the broadcast. and I don't think his legacy was diminished in any symbolic sense, though I would agree that he made surprisingly little lasting music after the Beatles, and this wouldn't be included.

Gazza, you amaze me. Imagine is one of my finest Lp's.....

It's all part of the film, it's easy to flick past it if you wish though...

Anyway, I have a lot of respect for Yoko, especially for her uncredited writing contributions to Imagine.

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she clearly wasn't interested in conventional music, for better or for worse. john's power at this time was such that he could promote this

Further proving that she shouldn't have been included in this bit. John was not the only musician in the Dirty Mac, but if you think about it, he really had no regard for his fellow players. Keith was very much interested in "conventional music" at this point in his career having recently come off of the whole Satanic Majesties psychadelic phase and wanted to return to the basics, thus giving us the beautiful Beggars Banquet.

There's nothing more basic than screaming though!? :-()

Marianne says in the ruminations that this was as much part of the spirit of the times(surely that's important!?) as it was a gesture by Johns friends. That it was an attempt to break some boundaries and allow some free musical expression.

It failed really, but so what!



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Anyway, I have a lot of respect for Yoko, especially for her uncredited writin contributions to Imagine.


If John was so keen to promote Yoko, why did he not give her writing credits?

Wasn't looking too good, but I was feeling real well.