In retrospect I think The Stones should have let Brian stay in the band. It would have been pretty interesting. More arrests. Questionable performances. More car wrecks and lawsuits. More wrecked hotel rooms. The occaisional "OD", maybe a final "OD" in LA or NYC. Much more interesting headlines and more material for their "outlaw" legacy. They could have always brought in another guitar player after the debacle.

gotta disagree Duane......trouble with a capitol "T"..........no pun intended but Brian was dead weight

It seems like he made it impossible to carry on. He was too out of it to contribute musically, and tried to turn people against each other and stuff.

I think technically, he decided to quit and then they asked him one last time if he wanted to join them to go on the 69 tour.

He was dragging the band down
Too bad there werent serious rehab clinics back in those days

Leonard Keringer Wrote:
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> gotta disagree Duane......trouble with a capitol
> "T"..........no pun intended but Brian was dead
> weight

Dead weight? I don't hear much 'dead weight' in Brian's slide on No Expectations or his contributions on TSMR. Brian simply chose not to show up to the studio 'cause he couldn't get along with Mick or Keith. Besides, Keith was also 'dead weight' throughout much of the '70's and did his best Brian Jones impersonation throughout that decade. Yet, Keith was allowed to get away with all his crap while Brian wasn't . . .

neptune Wrote:
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> Leonard Keringer Wrote:
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> -----
> > gotta disagree Duane......trouble with a
> capitol
> > "T"..........no pun intended but Brian was dead
> > weight
>
> Dead weight? I don't hear much 'dead weight' in
> Brian's slide on No Expectations or his
> contributions on TSMR. Brian simply chose not to
> show up to the studio 'cause he couldn't get along
> with Mick or Keith. Besides, Keith was also 'dead
> weight' throughout much of the '70's and did his
> best Brian Jones impersonation throughout that
> decade. Yet, Keith was allowed to get away with
> all his crap while Brian wasn't . . .


cause Keef brought home the bacon

Duane in Houston Wrote:
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> In retrospect I think The Stones should have let
> Brian stay in the band. It would have been pretty
> interesting. More arrests. Questionable
> performances. More car wrecks and lawsuits. More
> wrecked hotel rooms. The occaisional "OD", maybe a
> final "OD" in LA or NYC. Much more interesting
> headlines and more material for their "outlaw"
> legacy. They could have always brought in another
> guitar player after the debacle.



Mr. Duane, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent post were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

Seriously pal, that's the dumbest thing I've heard. In a while.

Obviously Duane is no true fan of the music of the Rolling Stones. Assume he is one of the "likes to watch car accidents" brigade

>
>
> Mr. Duane, what you've just said is one of the
> most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At
> no point in your rambling, incoherent post were
> you even close to anything that could be
> considered a rational thought. Everyone in this
> room is now dumber for having listened to it. I
> award you no points, and may God have mercy on
> your soul.
>



and if anyone sleeps with my wife, who is a dirty, filthy whore, I'll just snap.



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Its true Keith was out of it very much so in the 70s but the problem with Brian was that he really went above and beyond to piss people off. He took his insceruties out on everyone in a way that was much more disruptive than what "normal" people would do. thats just my theory though. and yeah, brian did ocassionaly contribute some nice things during the last years, like No expecttaions. and I think he made big contrubutions up through 66. not sure about 67. dont know much about those sessions. its hard to get a read on it, everyone was kind of messed up in that period. I think him and bill had a big part in coming up with the riff on JJF.



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Altho Keith was out of it thru most of the 70's, he never forgot how to play and still made significant contributions to the music. With Brian, he was so out of it by '69 that he couldn't even play guitar, as evidenced on Let It Bleed. And since he ceased to be the leader some time ago, he was no longer essential to the band.


Poor Brian. When I first got into the Stones, he used to be my favorite member, not Keith.



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And a mother is no longer essential to a child once they are off the tit. You kids that were not there in the mid-sixties have no clue what Brian meant to the Stones, their fan base, or Rock'n roll music. If Steve Earle could come back from where he was to where he is today anyone "could" get it back together. The Stones saw a chance to get away from their blues roots and took it. All that Jagger jive about wanting to be a blues singer and not a Rock Star is bull shit. If he wanted to be a blues singer so bad why the hell didn't he be one.

SKlPPY Wrote:
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> And a mother is no longer essential to a child
> once they are off the tit. You kids that were not
> there in the mid-sixties have no clue what Brian
> meant to the Stones,


"...And another thing, what's with all these young hussies dressing in short skirts and flaunting themselves at the mere suggestion of men. In my day, when you wanted to date, you talked to her father and he Greco-Roman wrestled you for superiority. Only if you were able to win were you able to date her. And another thing! What's this internet thing I keep hearing about? My grandson was on that computer clicking away like he was picking off Viet-Cong's a half-mile away in a guardtower! I'll never understand this generation, what with their myspaces, their hybrid automobiles, and their Red Bull. If you wanted a myspace, back then we had to go next door, shake the damn hand of our damn neighbor and say, damn it's good to meet you - NOW GET OUT OF MY SPACE! If you wanted to see a hybrid automobile, you watched The Flintstones. AND IF YOU WANTED TO ROCK...YOU LISTENED TO...Perry Como, what a nice fella. I miss my roll-neck sweaters and carcinogens. Those were the days. I just soiled myself."

u rule Frash........and in my day i had ta walk 5 miles in da snow barefoot, just for a stale loaf of bread.... you bread eatin mofos got it easy taday....ya hear me



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ryanpow Wrote:
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> >
, what you've just said is one of the
> > most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard.
> At
> > no point in your rambling, incoherent post were
> > you even close to anything that could be
> > considered a rational thought. Everyone in this
> > room is now dumber for having listened to it. I
> > award you no points, and may God have mercy on
> > your soul.
> >

Frash, I'll award you ten points if you can name the guy in the movie who said that. (who was he in real life)

Duane's just TRYING to be funny....

Anybody that's been to Houston understands....not the center of brain power by any stretch of the imagination....

Houston, we have a problem.

Ryan,

Who is "James Downey?"

I believe he was also a writer for SNL (I remember seeing him in some sketches)

You are correct sir!

*Does endzone dance*

lol! James downey is so funny in that scence, hes so dry.

Brian was a mess. Mick T was the best. Ron Wood is anybodys guess.

Brian was the greatest rock and roll star ever. He was decadent, always on drogs, a lady-killer, very-very intelligent, a geat musician. Mick & Keith have copied from him a lot. He formed the Stones's image alone. God bless his heart ...

Hungarian Wild Pig........MAN that's a beast of a name...well done!!!

Please where do I get some of them there drogs...?



ROCKMAN

If it's a joke post by Duane: good one.
If it's a serious post by Duane: 'good one'....

Hey Rockman, thanx for the name !
If ya wanna drugs, please contact your local dealer !
(Brian did the same !)

Seriously, Brian was a great musician and had the perfect image / looks etc. for the band - he was way ahead of his time in his thinking on musical/ image / creative ideas - it was a great shame that the drugs or whatever seemed to take him on a downward spiral - people who weren't there in the 60's have no idea how influential he actually was...

"till the next time..."

IMHO, Brian was / is seriously overrated. Played some good intruments, but had no BIG influence on the basics (not counting a dozen of songs) after 1964.

Duane in Houston Wrote:
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> In retrospect I think The Stones should have let
> Brian stay in the band. It would have been pretty
> interesting. More arrests. Questionable
> performances. More car wrecks and lawsuits. More
> wrecked hotel rooms. The occaisional "OD", maybe a
> final "OD" in LA or NYC. Much more interesting
> headlines and more material for their "outlaw"
> legacy. They could have always brought in another
> guitar player after the debacle.


Yes and Brian could have had his new girl @#$%& by Mick and the police could have arrested him more and Mick and Keith could have not given him credits and they could have treated him like garbage. I have to agree. And since Mick and Keith already used his rock star image they wouldnt need him anymore. As Anita said; just be Brian.

No way, The Stones is a band of two guitars, as Brian was clearly unable to play (and also he was not wanted in the USA), it was the right solution because the band had to tour and they could not have toured with Brian. I'm pretty sure that The Rolling Stones' story would be different if they hadn't toured in 1969, that was the "make it or break it" time.



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