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Oakland Coliseum, CA, Nov. 9th 1969 - 2nd show. Now, THAT's a classic LP!

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No, not on Get Yer Ya-Yas Out.
BUT, in the movie "Gimme Shelter", there's a few secounds of Mick talking about his trousers (NOT the exact same sentence as on GYYYA), and this is taken from Oakland.

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Man you are talking to The Eric Snow ()

Couple of things--is that boot the KSAN broadcast done by Bill Graham?

I know it is Oakland--I just have not heard it (believe it or not--though I have and love San Diego, which as I understand it was far from a standout) so I do
not know if it the same. I seem to recall there is also an audience boot.

I believe the KSAN was a combination of the 2 shows--but no way did they touch it up.

Actually the things done on Ya Yas has been greatly overstated and by today's std's hardly worth mentioning. The one big thing was Keith's vocals, which you will notice (especially on the SACD) are close to crystal clear.

BTW--they did NOT do anything to Sympathy except edit out one verse (why?). The Keith-MT leads were as recorded.

The broadcast was 9 tracks from 2nd Oakland. The audience recording is a bit better.
If you got San Diego, Glass Slide, that is just about the exact same quality as bot Oakland shows. But you'll miss "Gimme Shelter" which they didn't play in San Diego.

Erik_Snow Wrote:
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> The broadcast was 9 tracks from 2nd Oakland. The
> audience recording is a bit better.
> If you got San Diego, Glass Slide, that is just
> about the exact same quality as bot Oakland shows.
> But you'll miss "Gimme Shelter" which they didn't
> play in San Diego.


yeah Erik....the same taper for both Oakland & San Diego '69.....and supposedly he set up his reel to reel tape recorder right on the stage!..............different times

...and the same taper recorded Detroit and one more (1st New York perhaps?) But they're not close in quality.

Erik_Snow Wrote:
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> The broadcast was 9 tracks from 2nd Oakland. The
> audience recording is a bit better.
> If you got San Diego, Glass Slide, that is just
> about the exact same quality as bot Oakland shows.
> But you'll miss "Gimme Shelter" which they didn't
> play in San Diego.


That's right--and they list on the back cover--I have the
one where Charlie is in civil war regalia--cool cover.

And based on the movie--GS sounded cool and different from
later tours. How amazingis it that in '69 they were playing all these
killer songs that were not even released! GS, MR, LIV, LWM.

'69 has what all favorite tours have--little or no additional musicians.

Leonard Keringer Wrote:
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> Erik_Snow Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > The broadcast was 9 tracks from 2nd Oakland.
> The
> > audience recording is a bit better.
> > If you got San Diego, Glass Slide, that is
> just
> > about the exact same quality as bot Oakland
> shows.
> > But you'll miss "Gimme Shelter" which they
> didn't
> > play in San Diego.
>
>
> yeah Erik....the same taper
> for both Oakland & San Diego '69.....and
> supposedly he set up his reel to reel tape
> recorder right on the
> stage!..............different times


Really? that's cool. That was not the famous, late, great Millard, was it?
If it was the same taper, I can see where they would be similar--lol. It is as good qality as you have a right to expect for 1969--maybe even more so.

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Hi Erik Snow. The scene with Jagger talking about his trousers is from MSG. The version on Ya Ya's is just an edited version of that. The Maysles brothers didn't join the tour until it was almost over so they weren't present in Oakland.

Yeah, that was the beauty of '69; no add'l musicians and the music was fresh and new. '72, whilst a brilliant tour, was much more by rote than '69. Plus, Mick's voice was yelling as opposed to '69 where he was actually singing. All that coke does make a difference...

"The wonder of Jimi Hendrix was that he could stand up at all he was so pumped full of drugs." Patsy, Patsy Stone

Up till now I was not aware that Oakland 1969 2nd show was ever broadcast. However the guy recorded it with state-of-the-art equipment, although in mono and not in stereo (as sometimes stated in bootleg lists). Swingin' Pig cleaned the rapes up a bit and released it on CD during the 1990s. Jumpin' jack flash and Under my thumb had to be replaced because of quality problems on the original tape.
The recording is essential because it gives you a great impression of a Stones gig in 1969, including the acoustic part and with the original vocals (which were overdubbed on many songs on Ya-Ya's). San Diego is also very good, but the sound is different because it was recorded on an outdoor gig.
Back then there were hardly any restrictions for tapers because bootlegging was still unknown.

Glass Slide Wrote:
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> Leonard Keringer Wrote:
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> -----
> > Erik_Snow Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > The broadcast was 9 tracks from 2nd
> Oakland.
> > The
> > > audience recording is a bit better.
> > > If you got San Diego, Glass Slide, that
> is
> > just
> > > about the exact same quality as bot
> Oakland
> > shows.
> > > But you'll miss "Gimme Shelter" which
> they
> > didn't
> > > play in San Diego.
> >
> >
> > yeah Erik....the same
> taper
> > for both Oakland & San Diego '69.....and
> > supposedly he set up his reel to reel tape
> > recorder right on the
> > stage!..............different times
>
>
> Really? that's cool. That was not the famous,
> late, great Millard, was it?
> If it was the same taper, I can see where they
> would be similar--lol. It is as good qality as you
> have a right to expect for 1969--maybe even more
> so.

All the west coast shows (both LA shows, both Oakland shows, San Diego and Phoenix) were all taped by the same guy - and no, it wasn't Mike Millard.

DGA35, there IS a scene from Oakland on "Gimme Shelter", believe it or not!

Erik_Snow Wrote:
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> DGA35, there IS a scene from Oakland on "Gimme
> Shelter", believe it or not!

Are you sure Erik? In my ears the trousers comment is the same as on Ya-ya's, were the line "all that jumping around" is cut out.

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"Shit!... No shit, awright!"

I am sure. But, what I'm not really sure of WHICH sentence it was. I thought it was something about trousers, but that might be wrong. But there definately is about 5 sec of Mick on stage in Oakland.

All:

Who was 'Mal Moore?' I traded rare Stones tapes for 'Trademark of Quality' boots with him by mail starting in 1972 (I was a young lad then, but he treated me fairly). There's no doubt he was involved in the actual production of TOM bootlegs, for reasons I give below. Could 'Mal Moore' have been a pseudo for Mike Millard?

The background: true story - I got his name and address by sneaking behind the counter of a hippy record store in Palo Alto, CA. I sent him what then were fairly obscure Stones items on the West Coast: reel to reel, semi-decent quality Chess and Decca studio recordings. In return, he sent me 25 brand new, sealed Trademark of Quality boots by the Stones and other artists. A vinyl edition of 'rare' Stones studio stuff did later get released by TOM, including some of what I sent him.

Oh, and one other amusing fact: back then he charged $1.50 for new single LP boots, $3.00 for double albums. I sent him cash through the mail, and he always sent me what I ordered!

I would LOVE to find out who Mal Moore really was.