Anyone else think Elliot's got a smooth-flowing style that would fit great as lead guitar with the Stones ? I like his style alot more than, say, Jeff Beck, as the stones lead...

....just think he's alot more fluid, a sound that Keith could really have a field day with.... and he's a real calm & ballsy player, no problem standing in front of 80,000 people and knockin' them out.

Only hitch is he's not traditionally a "true blues guitarist" but he nails all that great Creedence country rock effortlessly. And Daryl Jones wasn't a true blues bassist either. Creative enough I don't think he'd play the same line the same way 2 nights in a row. I can rave about this guy, very underappreciated IMO.



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I've always enjoyed Easton's playing. His style is unique.

I recently listed him in another thread as one of the guitarists who IN MY OPINION are underrated. However, some clown named "Lightningflash" or something flamed the hell out of me, calling me an idiot, and telling me I need a hearing aid. So look out, CreedenceLives, we'll probably hear from him again! LOL!

I like Elliot too. What has he been doing since The Cars btw? I can see your comparison to Taylor in the way he plays, (NOT in 'what' he plays) too bad it's not blues based, he'd be a killer. Well, more of one I should say. I think his playing is awsome.

I ain't stupid, I'm just guitarded.



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RankOutsider Wrote:
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> I like Elliot too. What has he been doing since
> The Cars btw?

For the last 6 or 7 years, lead guitar in Creedence Clearwater Revisited with Cosmo Clifford and Stu Cook. Check out their album "Recollection"... just a killer live CCR set. So he's real used to heavy tour schedule and playin' live night after night.


I can see your comparison to Taylor
> in the way he plays, (NOT in 'what' he plays)

Yes, what I see is just real FLUID and SMOOTH... he can draw out a lead guitar line for 10 minutes with all kinds of nuances and you won't be bored one second. And he can play at any speed. I could really see him and Keith playin' together, no problem.


too
> bad it's not blues based, he'd be a killer. Well,
> more of one I should say. I think his playing is
> awsome.
>
> "Once upon a time I was your little rooster, but
> now I'm just one of your cocks"
>
>
>
> Edited 1 times. Last edit at 09/22/05 08:51 by
> RankOutsider.






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I think it's kind of sad that one of the best guitarists of the '70s and '80s is stuck playing in a CCR cover band (and yeah, I know they have CCR's original bass player and drummer, but it is still a CCR cover band).

I agree, ohno, he's excellent. But any band without Fogerty shouldn't use the Credence name, even slightly changed.

I thought he gave up that gig.

Easton is a great guitarist...but I don't get the Mick Taylor comparison, different style.

Any Creedence with no Fogerty bro. is a tribute band. (no offense to Stu or Cosmo...but come on!)

I saw the "Revisited" show several years back...it was fun but akin to watching "Beatlemania". Sure, Easton can play circles around Fogerty, but it ain't CCR without him!

Fogerty put on a great show at The Tabernacle here in Atlanta a few months back...much closer to the Creedence experience!

Hmmm...it appears that this thread started itself!

Ross

Easton is no longer with CCR. Next up for him is a planned new version of The Cars, with only he and Greg Hawkes returning. Clem Burke is set to replace David Robinson and Todd Rundgren to replace Ric Ocasek. I'm not sure who is going to play bass in place of the late Ben Orr.

I love his playing. I could see him riffing off of Keith. He has a great sense of rythm.

CreedenceLives...lives!

Halup Wrote:
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> Easton is no longer with CCR. Next up for him is a
> planned new version of The Cars, with only he and
> Greg Hawkes returning. Clem Burke is set to
> replace David Robinson and Todd Rundgren to
> replace Ric Ocasek. I'm not sure who is going to
> play bass in place of the late Ben Orr.


You have got to be kidding me. The Cars without Ric Ocasek is not the Cars, just like CCR without John Fogerty is not CCR. I saw Fogerty in 1997 and he kicked ass.

The new band you mentioned sounds pretty good. I like Todd Rundgren. But they ought to call it something other than the Cars for sure.

ohnonotyouagain Wrote:
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> Halup Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Easton is no longer with CCR. Next up for him
> is a
> > planned new version of The Cars, with only he
> and
> > Greg Hawkes returning. Clem Burke is set to
> > replace David Robinson and Todd Rundgren to
> > replace Ric Ocasek. I'm not sure who is going
> to
> > play bass in place of the late Ben Orr.
>
>
> You have got to be kidding me. The Cars without
> Ric Ocasek is not the Cars, just like CCR without
> John Fogerty is not CCR. I saw Fogerty in 1997 and
> he kicked ass.
>
> The new band you mentioned sounds pretty good. I
> like Todd Rundgren. But they ought to call it
> something other than the Cars for sure.


The could call it "The Limos"

Seriously, I have a real dispute about how "essential" some people are to a band.

I mean, if you attend a CCRevisted show and close your eyes, you're going to have a real hard time distinguishing the music from a "real CCR" show, or from a Fogerty show music-wise. You have the ORIGINAL RHYTHM SECTION INTACT...

Now the Cars without Ocasek, just have to see but I'm thinking it's gonna be the same situation. These guys are such professional musicians that they can "recreate" the songs very accurately.


"It's just that demon life has got me in it's sway..."

BornOnTheBayou Wrote:
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> ohnonotyouagain Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Halup Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Easton is no longer with CCR. Next up
> for him
> > is a
> > > planned new version of The Cars, with
> only he
> > and
> > > Greg Hawkes returning. Clem Burke is set
> to
> > > replace David Robinson and Todd Rundgren
> to
> > > replace Ric Ocasek. I'm not sure who is
> going
> > to
> > > play bass in place of the late Ben Orr.
> >
> >
> > You have got to be kidding me. The Cars
> without
> > Ric Ocasek is not the Cars, just like CCR
> without
> > John Fogerty is not CCR. I saw Fogerty in
> 1997 and
> > he kicked ass.
> >
> > The new band you mentioned sounds pretty
> good. I
> > like Todd Rundgren. But they ought to call
> it
> > something other than the Cars for sure.
>
>
> The could call it "The Limos"
>
> Seriously, I have a real dispute about how
> "essential" some people are to a band.
>
> I mean, if you attend a CCRevisted show and close
> your eyes, you're going to have a real hard time
> distinguishing the music from a "real CCR" show,
> or from a Fogerty show music-wise. You have the
> ORIGINAL RHYTHM SECTION INTACT...
>
> Now the Cars without Ocasek, just have to see but
> I'm thinking it's gonna be the same situation.
> These guys are such professional musicians that
> they can "recreate" the songs very accurately.
>
>
> "It's just that demon life has got me in it's
> sway..."

Any good cover band can come really close to the original sound of a lot of bands, but they are still cover bands. If a band doesn't have at least half the original members, including either the vocalist or lead guitarist (preferably both), and doesn't have one or more of the main songwriters, it doesn't deserve the original band's name. There are some bands where one member was so associated with the group that they could never legitimately tour as that band without them, ie the Doors with Jim Morrison or CCR without Fogerty.

ohnonotyouagain Wrote:
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>>
> Any good cover band can come really close to the
> original sound of a lot of bands, but they are
> still cover bands. If a band doesn't have at least
> half the original members, including either the
> vocalist or lead guitarist (preferably both), and
> doesn't have one or more of the main songwriters,
> it doesn't deserve the original band's name. There
> are some bands where one member was so associated
> with the group that they could never legitimately
> tour as that band without them, ie the Doors with
> Jim Morrison or CCR without Fogerty.
>


But I'm really not sure what the importance of this is. Would you call "The Dead" a cover band ?? I mean they don't have their original lead guitarist (Jerry Garcia)...

For anyone who loves Creedence music, you have a 100% Creedence jones from a CC Revisited concert, I mean it's the original rhythm section and the songs go right to your heart if you love that music.

I suppose it's the same for Doors fans seeing the Doors of the 21st Century tour, though they don't seem to get that off the ground.

I consider a "cover band" to be a group of guys who play someone else's music in their garage and then master it and play bar-mitzvahs.

The Dead, Creedence Revisited, etc. ... they're playing the real music. It doesn't take John Fogerty, as good as he is, to faithfully re-create Creedence songs.

As much of a fan as I am of Jerry Garcia, Jimmy Herring is a pretty awesome stand-in.

One thing I would definitely agree with... change the name of the band at least a bit. They're "The Dead" not "The Grateful Dead"... but to a hard-core fan of the music, does it matter all that much ?

If it did, then maybe I shouldn't accept anyone but Mick Taylor playing lead on Brown Sugar.


"It's just that demon life has got me in it's sway..."

To your point, I would lump The Dead (minus Garcia), The Doors (minus Morrison & Densmore), and CCR (minus J & T Fogerty) in the same category...tribute band at best.

I have seen all 3 of these live and, with the exception of The Doors debacle, they were enjoyable...but weak initations of their former selves. The Doors of the 21st century has to be one of the sorriest Vegas acts I ever saw.

Ross

I've seen a couple of pretty good Stones tribute bands who played the songs much closer to the studio versions than the Stones. HOWEVER, THEY WERE NOT THE ROLLING STONES.

Ross, I also saw Fogerty at the Tabernacle - excellent. I saw Credence Revisited open for the so-called Beach Boys at Chastain a few years back. Mike Love has no business calling that bunch the Beach Boys either. Could Ronnie or even Chuck call themselves the Stones without Mick, Keith, or Charlie. I think not!

Cars without Ric or Ben = a joke.

Elmo,

Did you see Doors of the 21st century at Music Midtown a couple of years back? What a joke!

Fogerty rocked the Tabernacle. He is still the real deal live! I agree about the Mike Love Beach thing. Al Jardine's show was better than that! At least Brian is out there doin it right!

Speking of The Tabernacle, did you see Dylan's stand there a while back? I caught all 3 nights, transcendent!

Ross

BornOnTheBayou Wrote:
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> It doesn't take John
> Fogerty, as good as he is, to faithfully re-create
> Creedence songs.


No, just to write them.

And that's why they're a cover band. Tell me how their albums stack up. Do they have any, or are they just coasting on Fogerty's coattails? If they're only playing old CCR and not making new stuff, they are a cover band.

camper88 Wrote:
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> BornOnTheBayou Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > It doesn't take John
> > Fogerty, as good as he is, to faithfully
> re-create
> > Creedence songs.
>
>
> No, just to write them.
>
> And that's why they're a cover band. Tell me how
> their albums stack up. Do they have any, or are
> they just coasting on Fogerty's coattails? If
> they're only playing old CCR and not making new
> stuff, they are a cover band.

Hey, no matter what you say... Cosmo Clifford and Stu Cook ARE THE ORIGINAL RHYTHM SECTION OF CREEDENCE... they aren't "cover" anything...

I'll ask again... if you're at a Creedence Revisited Show and you close your eyes, how is that sound not faithfully CCR ?

If Fogerty goes out and gets some great guys to back him up, is that any closer to Creedence than Cosmo and Stu getting some great musicians to join them ?

And I don't think anyone can dispute this: Fogerty has been on at least 3 tours since he got back on the road. This last band with Billy Burnette and George Hawkins just really NAILS Creedence. His prior 2 tours it sounded much more like "John Fogerty with a backup band"...Kenny Aronoff for example was a great drummer but he just pounds too hard, really should join Plant and Page, he bangs like Bonham not Cosmo.

And as for Albums, listen to "Recollection"... one of the most awesome live tapes available.

And you say "The Dead" is a tribute band at best... because it only has Bob Weir, Phil Lesh, Billy Kreutzmann, and Mickey Hart... not to mention Robert Hunter...


"It's just that demon life has got me in it's sway..."

I never mentioned the Dead.

So tell us more about the great original material that this not-a-cover band has done that sounds like CCR? That's the test for Cosmo and Stu regardless of how faithfully they sound like CCR. (By the way, isn't that what a cover band tries to do, faithfully reproduce the sounds of the original band?).
So are they a good cover band? Sure? Are they a cover band? Yes.

Case closed.

camper88 Wrote:
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> I never mentioned the Dead.
>
> So tell us more about the great original material
> that this not-a-cover band has done that sounds
> like CCR? That's the test for Cosmo and Stu
> regardless of how faithfully they sound like CCR.
> (By the way, isn't that what a cover band tries to
> do, faithfully reproduce the sounds of the
> original band?).
> So are they a good cover band? Sure? Are they a
> cover band? Yes.
>
> Case closed.

Ross called The Dead a "Tribute Band"

Why do Cosmo and Stu need new original songs ?? They RECORDED the original Creedence songs... Cover bands DON'T INCLUDE ORIGINAL RHYTHM SECTIONS...

Case closed lolololol


"It's just that demon life has got me in it's sway..."



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Hey, Bill Wyman and Charlie Watts are the original rhythm section of the Stones, but if they form a band tomorrow and call it Rolling Stoned or somesuch, it still ain't the Rolling Stones, even if they get guys to front it who sound just like or better than Mick, Keef and Jones/Taylor/Wood. It would be a cover band, albeit one with two original members of the band they are covering. Same for CCR.

BornOnTheBayou Wrote:
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> camper88 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
>
>
> Why do Cosmo and Stu need new original songs ??
> They RECORDED the original Creedence songs...


That's funny, because Fogerty thinks that he needs original material and he wrote the CCR canon, even the Stones feel the need to record new material. I guess that's why there are sixty kinds of salad dressing, everyone's different.

Hey, best to Cosmo and Stu. CCR was a great band.

ohnonotyouagain Wrote:
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> Hey, Bill Wyman and Charlie Watts are the original
> rhythm section of the Stones, but if they form a
> band tomorrow and call it Rolling Stoned or
> somesuch, it still ain't the Rolling Stones, even
> if they get guys to front it who sound just like
> or better than Mick, Keef and Jones/Taylor/Wood.
> It would be a cover band, albeit one with two
> original members of the band they are covering.
> Same for CCR.

By your definition, is Fogerty SOLO "original Creedence" ?

"It's just that demon life has got me in it's sway..."



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BornOnTheBayou Wrote:
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> ohnonotyouagain Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Hey, Bill Wyman and Charlie Watts are the
> original
> > rhythm section of the Stones, but if they
> form a
> > band tomorrow and call it Rolling Stoned or
> > somesuch, it still ain't the Rolling Stones,
> even
> > if they get guys to front it who sound just
> like
> > or better than Mick, Keef and
> Jones/Taylor/Wood.
> > It would be a cover band, albeit one with
> two
> > original members of the band they are
> covering.
> > Same for CCR.
>
> By your definition, is Fogerty SOLO "original
> Creedence" ?
>
> "It's just that demon life has got me in it's
> sway..."
>
>
>
> Edited 1 times. Last edit at 09/25/05 23:27 by
> BornOnTheBayou.

No, he is John Fogerty playing CCR songs and solo songs. He isn't out there touring as Creedence Clearwater Revitalized or whatever, he is touring under his own name, and he is playing more than just CCR songs, which I doubt Cosmo and Stu do. I love CCR and am glad that all three of them are out there rocking out the fans, I'm just saying that CCRevisited is a CCR cover band. A good cover band, I'm sure, but a cover band nonetheless. Unless they are playing something other than old CCR songs, which I doubt they are.

ohnonotyouagain Wrote:
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> No, he is John Fogerty playing CCR songs and solo
> songs. He isn't out there touring as Creedence
> Clearwater Revitalized or whatever, he is touring
> under his own name, and he is playing more than
> just CCR songs, which I doubt Cosmo and Stu do. I
> love CCR and am glad that all three of them are
> out there rocking out the fans, I'm just saying
> that CCRevisited is a CCR cover band.

Okay, but by your definition, John Fogerty with backing musicians is a "cover band" when he plays Creedence Clearwater Revival songs because Creedence isn't there on stage with him... so Fogerty is "part Creedence cover", albeit of songs he wrote... he's "authentic Fogerty" but "Creedence cover"... and of course his stuff he wrote after leaving CCR is "genuine Fogerty"...

I get it now !!

"It's just that demon life has got me in it's sway..."

Yoko,

He's not open to understanding the distinction you're making.

camper88 Wrote:
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> Yoko,
>
> He's not open to understanding the distinction
> you're making.

Oh no, I'm not Yoko. I would never break up the Beatles or wail like a dying cat at the Stones Rock 'N' Roll Circus. Actually, my first name is "Ohnonotyouagain" and my last name is "Fuckingupmylife"

ohnonotyouagain Wrote:
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> camper88 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Yoko,
> >
> > He's not open to understanding the
> distinction
> > you're making.
>
> Oh no, I'm not Yoko. I would never break up the
> Beatles or wail like a dying cat at the Stones
> Rock 'N' Roll Circus. Actually, my first name is
> "Ohnonotyouagain" and my last name is
> "Fuckingupmylife"


And I'm fallling on the floor. Can't wait to find out what you're middle name is.

It would make more sense for Ringo & Paul should tour as Beatles Revisited. Not only are they the rhythm section,they would have one original singer/songwriter!

At least the other 2 guys have a good excuse for not makin' it!

CCRevisited = tribute band. I would be willing to bet that even Cosmo and Stu would admit that! There is no attempt to create any new music...they are simply paying the bills singing JF's catalog. But, with their Creedence heritage they are certainly entitled to that. And, its a pretty good show. Im glad they are out there doing it!


Ross