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What do you think about Goats Head Soup as a forgotten masterpiece?
Posted by: sir_carlos ()
Date: September 21, 2005 18:28

I think this is a forgotten masterpiece. It is maby their first "genre" album. It sure could be a forerunner for albums like VL and B2B.

The guitars are great, kinda foggy sound, great piano. I don't think you can compare many Stones album, because they are different genres and years. Espacially you can not compare GHS with SF and EOMS. It is a different kind of produced album and it brings some very hig moments:

100 Years Ago = 100% cool. The end with the tuning up of speed. Just fantastic.

Coming Down Again = Nice ballad, great piano.

Heartbreaker = No doubt in class with Rocks Off and IORR. Even a cool namesmiling smiley

Angie = A classic, one of their best ballads. Ever.

Hide You Love = A cool piano ballad. Great solo. MT playing it? One of my favourite stones songs ever.

Winter = What can you say?

Star, Star (@#$%&) = This one is so damn @#$%& great. What a tune. That's the birth of IORR.

Over all, a forgotten Masterpiece IMO.



Cheers, Carl.

Re: What do you think about Goats Head Soup as a forgotten masterpiece?
Date: September 21, 2005 18:30

true but it doens't have the feeling SF Exile BB en LIB have

Re: What do you think about Goats Head Soup as a forgotten masterpiece?
Posted by: Greg ()
Date: September 21, 2005 18:34

And that's what's so great about it, a total different feel and atmosphere: autumnal.

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"Music is the frozen tapioca in the ice chest of history."

"Shit!... No shit, awright!"

Re: What do you think about Goats Head Soup as a forgotten masterpiece?
Posted by: sir_carlos ()
Date: September 21, 2005 18:37

It is a sound I never heard the stones play on any other record which makes it kinda unique with the fact that it is good.

Re: What do you think about Goats Head Soup as a forgotten masterpiece?
Posted by: roundhay ()
Date: September 21, 2005 18:44

My Fave album...A wonderful feel to it, and am i right in thinking that the sessions produced material for Tattoo You??

Re: What do you think about Goats Head Soup as a forgotten masterpiece?
Date: September 21, 2005 18:56

Some called it the first Mick Jagger solo album, however it is the first Stones album clearly showing Keith wasn't really "there" anymore. Apparently Jimmy Miller was also heavy into heroin at the time.

The goats head soup inlet alone is worth to buy the album. The of course "@#$%&", best Berry imitation by Keith ever! (plus you can hear left and right channels separately and they REALLY sound different, try it out!)

Re: What do you think about Goats Head Soup as a forgotten masterpiece?
Posted by: T&A ()
Date: September 21, 2005 19:01

of course its juxtapostion to Exile is why it's probably not regarded as a masterpiece. It's not nearly up there in that rarified air. but, it certainly has a personality all its own - no denying that. for me it's in the secondary tier of albums after the Big Four - nothing wrong with that.

Re: What do you think about Goats Head Soup as a forgotten masterpiece?
Posted by: Tseverin ()
Date: September 21, 2005 19:08

Who says it's forgotten?

Re: What do you think about Goats Head Soup as a forgotten masterpiece?
Posted by: davido ()
Date: September 21, 2005 19:30

I've always liked it and figured it
was at worst the poorr cousin of
SFG and Exile. Not easy coming out
in the shadow of such greatness!!!
It was widely slagged at the time.
Often seems only time will tell a
Stones albums true repute!

Re: What do you think about Goats Head Soup as a forgotten masterpiece?
Posted by: sladog ()
Date: September 21, 2005 19:33

It's a great CD to flip on the player when you have not heard it in a while.

100 years ago is one of my favorite songs. I love the lyrics. Although, it could have been on Goddess in the doorway just as easily.

Re: What do you think about Goats Head Soup as a forgotten masterpiece?
Posted by: Edward Twining ()
Date: September 21, 2005 19:34

Goats Head Soup lacks the focus of the big four but strangely this only adds to its appeal. Beggars Banquet, Let It Bleed and Sticky Fingers are collections of great songs which stand on their own outside the context of the albums. Exile is a lot more ragged and the songs are best appreciated within the context of the album. I think Goats Head Soup is similar to Exile as its strength is its mood rather than the strength of the individual songs. Exile does have a more focused intensity than Goats Head Soup. The Stones sound less self assured on Goats Head Soup but i don't think that is necessarily a bad thing. I find the album's mellow mood an intoxicating listening experience. It's a classic in my mind.

Re: What do you think about Goats Head Soup as a forgotten masterpiece?
Posted by: MCDDTLC ()
Date: September 21, 2005 19:42

Love this Album!! - Hide your Love is Taylor at his BEST!!!
Actually like it better than Exile!!! MLC

Re: What do you think about Goats Head Soup as a forgotten masterpiece?
Posted by: KSIE ()
Date: September 21, 2005 19:46

Davido calls it the "poorer cousin of Exile". I would agree. Has two really lame tracks, "Dancing with Mr. D" and "Can You Hear the Music", otherwise a classic disc on the order of the Big 4.

Karl

Re: What do you think about Goats Head Soup as a forgotten masterpiece?
Posted by: OpenG ()
Date: September 21, 2005 19:50

masterpiece - taylor and jagger collaboration I listen to it the most of any
stones record. Its the whole feel of the record from start to finish.

Re: What do you think about Goats Head Soup as a forgotten masterpiece?
Posted by: Leonard Keringer ()
Date: September 21, 2005 20:30

carl...agreed 100%...goats head soup is a forgotten masterpiece...typically great diverse album...excellent songs...stands on its own...best wishes

Re: What do you think about Goats Head Soup as a forgotten masterpiece?
Posted by: drake ()
Date: September 21, 2005 20:35

Very underrated album. On the 5 hour drive to Chicago I played ABB and GHS in completion. Didnt want to overload my newbie crew with albums but I figured those would be two good ones to breakin. The new shit and the obscure shit. Great disc to just chill and listen to. They're all fans needless to say. They were impressed with the sound of the album. Heartbreaker and Star Star were the standouts to my crew. Must agree.

Re: What do you think about Goats Head Soup as a forgotten masterpiece?
Posted by: J.J.Flash ()
Date: September 21, 2005 20:41

great f-ing album! good call drake. let the newbies rock out to that one. alot of good rockin' tunes and great ballads

Re: What do you think about Goats Head Soup as a forgotten masterpiece?
Posted by: terry ()
Date: September 21, 2005 21:06

i dont thinks GHS is a forgotten masterpiece....i think lots of stones fans love this album.....and i think its a great album..loverly sound and feel to this album.....one of there best me thinks

Re: What do you think about Goats Head Soup as a forgotten masterpiece?
Posted by: Baboon Bro ()
Date: September 21, 2005 21:08

Baboon´s fav... Beside EOMS & ABB...

Re: What do you think about Goats Head Soup as a forgotten masterpiece?
Posted by: Star star ()
Date: September 21, 2005 21:12

This is my favourite album. 100 years ago and star star my fav songs.

Re: What do you think about Goats Head Soup as a forgotten masterpiece?
Posted by: Four Stone Walls ()
Date: September 21, 2005 22:40

What they would give now to come up with songs like Winter and Almost Hear TM and 100 Years ago. All considered sort of weak and vague at the time. But if they'd produced stuff of that calibre on ABB - then we'd be in ecstasy. How times change.

People say Keith is not much in evidence on GHS - and that's ofcourse true compared to Exile etc.
But compared to him on ABB - no comparison. Even Mr Junky is knocking us dead on StarF and cutting straight to the emotional quick on Coming Down Again. And Dancing with Mr D is not amazing by previous standards - but his uncannily metronomic timing is astonishing. It's his rhythm lick that leads from start to finish and drums/bass etc slot in behind. Now, it's the other way around. Mr Timing now relies on Charlie.

So, you do find Keith on GHS (Angie too ofcourse - his song apparently) - But we have to be thankful that he was not in total charge - cos that left room for the two Micks to explore and give us their gems. NB it's Mick's Rhythm on Winter.

Again, if they'd given us Hide Your Love on ABB, (instead of a note-perfect Blues Copy), we'd really have been taken a-back.

Ofcourse ABB has some interesting excursive moments, notably LIND and to a lesser extent RFD. But SOL is no Angie! No Ma'am, she ain't.

Re: What do you think about Goats Head Soup as a forgotten masterpiece?
Posted by: Baboon Bro ()
Date: September 21, 2005 22:45

To make a song a hit it takes more than sheer mastership in wongwriting.
Angie hit the right time.
TPIE could be as big.
RJ will be as big.
Maybe LMDS will too.

Re: What do you think about Goats Head Soup as a forgotten masterpiece?
Posted by: perosand ()
Date: September 21, 2005 22:56

It's not a forgotten masterpiece...........
Always liked it.

Re: What do you think about Goats Head Soup as a forgotten masterpiece?
Posted by: RockR ()
Date: September 21, 2005 23:11

It's hardly a masterpiece. I would rank it as one of the few mediocre-to-bad albums the Stones have done -- and there's very few of those: 'Satanic Majesties', 'Goats Head Soup', 'Emotional Rescue', and 'Dirty Work' are the only four that come to mind. "Angie", "Heartbreaker", "Winter" and "Star Star" hold up well ...but the rest is VERY weak, especially coming right off 'Exile'.

Re: What do you think about Goats Head Soup as a forgotten masterpiece?
Posted by: Baboon Bro ()
Date: September 21, 2005 23:15

Well, RockR... Its curious. Majesties is my fav along with GHS,
ABB & Exile. Emotional comes very close.
It would be interesting to hear what tracks on GHS you find
VERY weak. And dont we all here tend to overrate Exile.
Not all songs in themselves are masterpieces there either.
Its the atmosphere, the groove & the feel-good-mood
we like to hear... (I s'pose thats not the whole truth,
the feelin good-thing; they seem to have pissed each others off
during great portions of the Nellcote time...).

Re: What do you think about Goats Head Soup as a forgotten masterpiece?
Posted by: RockR ()
Date: September 21, 2005 23:27

Baboon Bro,

The songs I find VERY weak on GHS would be as follows:

'Dancing with Mr. D', 'Hide Your Love', and 'Can You Hear the Music'. I think 'Coming Down Again' and '100 Years Ago' are just mediocre/so-so, and I think that 'Silver Train' is kind of a lazy re-write of 'All Down the Line' from 'Exile'.

So is it a truly awful album ? No. But it is, in my opinion, sub-par for the standards the Stones set for themselves.

Re: What do you think about Goats Head Soup as a forgotten masterpiece?
Posted by: kish_stoned ()
Date: September 21, 2005 23:30

What great cd with one of the best opening track,dirty guitars and great jagger
voice and other great tracks too,@#$%& with keith playin the guitar
between his leg,what a sound.beautiful ballards too ANGIE AND WINTER AND
FUNK SOUND IN HEARTBEAKER TOO,AND FORGET SILVER TRAIN THE ROCKER. i never
listen to stones cd by comparing with the past i listen to the the cd as new
songs from the band,STONES ARE WAY OF LIFE SO ROCK ON.KISH

Re: What do you think about Goats Head Soup as a forgotten masterpiece?
Posted by: RockR ()
Date: September 21, 2005 23:30

Oh...and 'Exile' isn't even my favorite Stones album. It's my second favorite, after 'Beggars Banquet' -- which I still believe is the Stones' consummate masterpiece.

Re: What do you think about Goats Head Soup as a forgotten masterpiece?
Posted by: Baboon Bro ()
Date: September 21, 2005 23:35

'Dancing with Mr. D', 'Hide Your Love', and 'Can You Hear the Music'. I think 'Coming Down Again' and '100 Years Ago' are just mediocre/so-so, and I think that 'Silver Train' is kind of a lazy re-write of 'All Down the Line' from 'Exile'.
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Well, well. First "very weak", then "just mediocre/so-so,". Ok.
CYHTM I can agree upon, its the weakest number.
HYL is a wonderful gospel; could have deserved a better destiny.
DWMrD is maybe the 2nd weakest number, I agree to some extent.
100 Years Ago you may be pretty alone to judge as mediocre.
CDA too.
Silver Train is a goosebumper imho. No similarities with ADTL.

But we all have different taste.

RockR; more on your favorites... ?

Re: What do you think about Goats Head Soup as a forgotten masterpiece?
Posted by: T&A ()
Date: September 21, 2005 23:40

You don't hear "similarities" between ST and ADTL, Baboon? Listen again - they're practically musical clones....

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