Yes, Chris Jagger can't be right.

Not this crock of bullshit again.

Personally, I think Gram Parsons stunk. You do notice the Stones never covered his songs. Any moron can play country nowadays - just listen to what is on 'country' radio. But back then it still required talent. Wild Horses is not a country song, it's a ballad.

Next thing someone's gonna say that Gram Parsons 'inspired' No Expectations.

Keith said he came up with the bit and the title and handed it over to Mick and Mick wrote 'an opera', as Keith put it.

>> Mick wrote 'an opera', as Keith put it <<

the "opera" was Dance - Don Giovanni, to be exact :E

"I wrote this song because I was doing good at home with my old lady, and I wrote it like a love song.
I just had this, Wild horses couldn't drag me away, and I gave it to Mick, and Marianne just ran off with this guy
and he changed it all around but it's still beautiful."
- Keith Richards (from Stanley Booth's True Adventures of the Rolling Stones,
quoted on [www.timeisonourside.com] )

I believe Keith and Mick wrote WH, and the time with GP could have been a influence, but a slight one. It is interesting that when I saw Keith play at a
Gram tribute in Santa Barbara (maybe 5 years ago), he chose WH as the song to perform.

Maybe Gram was an influence - but not in a direct way. Maybe from noodling around with Gram Keith came up with some things - including Wild Horses. But in no way does that imply that Gram wrote it...

This is interesting:

[legendsrevealed.com]

>> when I saw Keith play at a Gram tribute in Santa Barbara (maybe 5 years ago), he chose WH as the song to perform. <<

he chose Love Hurts and Hickory Wind; Wild Horses was the Big Finish with the whole ensemble.
on the dvd of that fine show there's a commentary by Polly Parsons, and if i recall right
Hickory Wind is the one Keith was really set on doing.

and K.D Lang wrote "anybody seen my baby"

[www.locos.no]

Ha ha - Keith talking to Jim Keltner on the Take It So Hard video shoot:

After a meeting at A&M studios, he came back with Jim Keltner, the born-again drummer extraordinaire for the likes of Ry Cooder and Bob Dylan. Keltner's third mention of Jesus within his first two minutes in the room brought an exhortation from Keith to 'leave that stuff at home when you come to see me.' "The Stones haven't worked on the road for seven goddamn years. Name me another act that can lay off that long."

"'What'd I say?' Keltner asked.

"'You brought it up three times already, and it's gettin' on my tit--I mean, a guy hangin' on a cross, what a logo.' (Once, in London, Keith had silenced a Keltner sermon with the words, 'I love God. But I hate preachers.')

Here it is, from Playboy! Keith, talking about Mick and Wild Horses:

"He's got a bit of Shakespeare in him, no doubt about it. We've had fun arguments, writing songs. I would say, "I think this should be an instrumental," and meanwhile, he'd written an opera."

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and K.D Lang wrote "anybody seen my baby"

Lang is quoted to have been "completely honored and flattered" by receiving the songwriting credit.

And well-renumerated!

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Damn!

Gram wrote Wild Horses
Bill wrote JJF
Mick wrote Brown Sugar
Preston wrote Miss You
Ronnie wrote IORR
Chuck wrote Back To Zero

What the hell has Keith been doing all this time?

He was sitting in his limo as his girlfriend was screwing his singer and writing Gimmie Shelter

Anyone that doesnt think Gram and Keith influenced EACH OTHER dont know diddley about Stones history IMO(which no one cares but that just makes us even LOL)

I personally think Gram Parsons is one of the most overrated artists in history - the myth/mystique, etc to me is a lot of bs - he was a pain in the ass rich kid who could afford to do nothing/or whatever he wanted - wrote some good songs, etc but so did lots of people - yeah, he was good - but beyond that? come on



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Any moron can play country nowadays - just listen to what is on 'country' radio.

So I guess Vince Gill is just an average guitar player.
Do you play an instrument? If you do, go to Nashville
and let me know how far you get.

I agree todays "Generic Brand country" sucks bigtime(I dont consider Vince generic though). REAL country hasnt come outta Nashville in 30 yrs! At least not what makes the Top 100. Gotta go to Austin for that!



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What's up with Steve Earle living in New York City? Country, my ass.

Yeah!- "Just send me to Hell or NYC-it'd be about the same to me".(Hank Williams Jr)

tomk, you are very funny.

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What's up with Steve Earle living in New York City? Country, my ass.

New York CITY????? Get a rope...

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Damn!

Gram wrote Wild Horses
Bill wrote JJF
Mick wrote Brown Sugar
Preston wrote Miss You
Ronnie wrote IORR
Chuck wrote Back To Zero

What the hell has Keith been doing all this time?

He was sitting in his limo as his girlfriend was screwing his singer and writing Gimmie Shelter

He did Satisfaction - the reason why Stones became as famous as they are now

Hey,EVERYBODY knows that Otis Redding really wrote Satisfaction! LOL!

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Hey,EVERYBODY knows that Otis Redding really wrote Satisfaction! LOL!

Probably Macca would claim the same - he aparently was ahead of Stones in every case

Hey tomk, what instrument do you play? Let me know and I'll tell ya were to start and then where to go.

I said nothing about any certain person - there are plenty of great whatever instrument players "in" Nashville. Nashville is all tunnel vision - everyone basically looks and sounds the same.

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Hey tomk, what instrument do you play? Let me know and I'll tell ya were to start and then where to go.

I said nothing about any certain person - there are plenty of great whatever instrument players "in" Nashville. Nashville is all tunnel vision - everyone basically looks and sounds the same.

I play guitar. No, thanks. Don't need your help. Thanks for asking, though.
I will agree with you on one thing. I haven't been too thrilled with what's come out of Nashville (or mainstream country music) for quite some time. But to say any moron can play it is being a bit unfair. AS you said, there's some pretty skillfull players there (and in the whole genre). Looks and sound the same?
I know what you mean. Tunnel vision? I think the whole music industry has had that for about 20 years!

Every time I play in Nashville, the other musicians have different names and different colours but everything is shiny, boots and a hat with pedal steel, upright bass, maybe a fiddle and slick slick slick over affected vocals and guitaring and whatever else.

Like one big giant NPR feature story.

Country radio - it's not country, it's moronic - it's pop music. You get the odd country song, some interesting things. Vince Gill? That dude is the Jimi Hendrix of country - he still sings like he's lost his cat. It's all overdone, over cooked, shining shitola. Big & Rich should be renamed A Bunch Of Bullshit. Although Big is hilarious. Montgumpry Gentry - there's a load. "You do your thing and I'll do mine" - no thanks - just please go AWAY! AUgh, they're terrible!

Gimme some Hank III and everything's good.

Oh yeah - I wasn't looking to help you either, ha ha - don't know why you thought that. Seeing that all you said is you play guitar, well, that doesn't really say anything does it. What, at home? With your girlfriend listening? In the park? Playing along to a CD? From what I can tell a lot of people are 'guitar players'. Just like that. Like Wal-Mart - not good. They don't really play guitar.

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I personally think Gram Parsons is one of the most overrated artists in history - the myth/mystique, etc to me is a lot of bs - he was a pain in the ass rich kid who could afford to do nothing/or whatever he wanted - wrote some good songs, etc but so did lots of people - yeah, he was good - but beyond that? come on

.......THANK YOU!!!! someone finally had the canoles to say it!!!----and the original topic--answer: PURE BOLLOCKS!! (and yes i meant to say canoles)....

Take away the hype with GP, and yeah, he seems quite overrated.
Hank Williams aside, and maybe a couple others, country music probably owes its essence to all the inbreeding in the heartland.

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Every time I play in Nashville, the other musicians have different names and different colours but everything is shiny, boots and a hat with pedal steel, upright bass, maybe a fiddle and slick slick slick over affected vocals and guitaring and whatever else.

Like one big giant NPR feature story.

Country radio - it's not country, it's moronic - it's pop music. You get the odd country song, some interesting things. Vince Gill? That dude is the Jimi Hendrix of country - he still sings like he's lost his cat. It's all overdone, over cooked, shining shitola. Big & Rich should be renamed A Bunch Of Bullshit. Although Big is hilarious. Montgumpry Gentry - there's a load. "You do your thing and I'll do mine" - no thanks - just please go AWAY! AUgh, they're terrible!

Gimme some Hank III and everything's good.

Oh yeah - I wasn't looking to help you either, ha ha - don't know why you thought that. Seeing that all you said is you play guitar, well, that doesn't really say anything does it. What, at home? With your girlfriend listening? In the park? Playing along to a CD? From what I can tell a lot of people are 'guitar players'. Just like that. Like Wal-Mart - not good. They don't really play guitar.

I understand what you mean. I think a lot of people feel that way, that today's country is like a dishwater version of Lynyard Skynyrd (did I spell that right?).
On the other hand, it's a monster genre and it does seem to follow a formula.
But then so did Chet Atkins and the countrypolitin stuff in the mid-60s (great songs and records, though.)
I've been playing guitar for 20-odd years. DId the whole LA scene, put an album out, toured, did sessions. My wife and I moved to SF a few years ago and doing the same here. I use a MusicMan Shilhoutte, Les Paul, Epiphone Casino, and a B-Bender Telecaster (!), plus a few other odds and ends. Mesa Boogie, Fender, and Ampeg amps.

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