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yapper
Hey MLC, just wondering. If Ronnie Wood got Mick Taylor to play on one of his solo albums would you still hate him?
And I don't mean just a solo or two, I mean every song. Would that change your opinion of Ronnie then?
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Rocky Dijon
I won't argue whether Taylor is a better player, because it isn't about that. If this was twenty years ago or more, touring with him would be feasible. Not now and that's a reflection on Taylor's career, not his ability as a player. The closest shot he has is a one-off blues cover as was considered in 2003. Taylor allegedly turned up, but couldn't go through with it because he hasn't been on large stages in years (I don't think he's ever played larger than an arena) and had a bad case of nerves over it. That may be why he suggested recording with them, while I would love to see it - I doubt it will happen because twenty years on, he's largely sunk to cult obscurity.
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MCDDTLC
Yap - Do you know who to READ??? I just stated that I don't hate Ronnie's playing, will give him his due when his efforts warrant it. Was a fan of the
Faces - don't like Ronnies cheap shots at Taylor when they are suppose to be
"friends" from wayback. Still think he's being Jagger's mouthpiece for those
blasts at Taylor... that lower's my opinion about Ronnie more than the times
his playing is sub-par..
MLC
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Rocky Dijon
I won't argue whether Taylor is a better player, because it isn't about that. If this was twenty years ago or more, touring with him would be feasible. Not now and that's a reflection on Taylor's career, not his ability as a player. The closest shot he has is a one-off blues cover as was considered in 2003. Taylor allegedly turned up, but couldn't go through with it because he hasn't been on large stages in years (I don't think he's ever played larger than an arena) and had a bad case of nerves over it. That may be why he suggested recording with them, while I would love to see it - I doubt it will happen because twenty years on, he's largely sunk to cult obscurity.
Ehm, Rocky ? This is a totally nonsensical statement. I was there and I know exactly what happened that night.
It was actually Jagger that sabotaged MT's chance to sit in. There had been some serious problems with Ronnie on that tour. A week before the London Astoria he had been on a horrible bender in Amsterdam. At the Astoria he was treated like a puppy that had been naughty by the whole band. I saw how Jagger totally ignored him when he tried to communicate with him during the show.
Taylor was there and was in good shape, having just returned from a Canadian tour where he had played well. He had seen the band at their hotel in the afternoon. He had chosen to watch the first half of the show from upfront and was waiting in the wings for his turn.
The show started off badly with a couple of major screw ups from Ronnie. Jagger, who is always very PR aware, didn't want to reignite the discussions about the Taylor era being superior to the current incarnation, especially not when he was playing in front of his home crowd. (Everyone was there and there had already been a lot of speculation in the press about this subject). With the state that Ronnie was in, this was certainly a realistic risk.
Halfway the show Jagger started rushing through the songs, there was no feel in the performance anymore and he looked like he just wanted to get things over with as soon as possible. I also noticed he was making gestures at Chuck Leavell that he was having a problem with his throat again (a show in Amsterdam had been cancelled for this reason, not long before).
Taylor was there, ready to walk on and was totally comfortable with that (I spoke with him and a representative for the band). For your information, Taylor has played the Astoria several times as a solo artist. The Astoria is a rather small venue and he regularly plays at festivals etc where stages tend to be larger, so your suggestion that the size of the stage was in any way intimidating to him is laughable.
All of a sudden the song that was going to be used for the guest appearance (Rock Me Baby) was wiped off the plexi glass. Taylor was there till the end of the gig, then left with a couple of friends via the main exit where he politely answered questions from journalists and signed autographs to fans, before going back to his hotel. He said to friends afterwards that he thought that Keith was the one that kept the band together that night by playing really tight and much more focused than he'd sometimes seen him in the past.
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MCDDTLC
Yap - Do you know who to READ??? I just stated that I don't hate Ronnie's playing, will give him his due when his efforts warrant it. Was a fan of the
Faces - don't like Ronnies cheap shots at Taylor when they are suppose to be
"friends" from wayback. Still think he's being Jagger's mouthpiece for those
blasts at Taylor... that lower's my opinion about Ronnie more than the times
his playing is sub-par..
MLC
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Taylor Era
"If Taylor ever wants to contribute with the Stones again either onstage or in the studio he needs to create a buzz about himself as a solo artist or as a contributor on a world wide stage, like paying guitar for Bowie on a tour or Roger Waters or someone of that stature."
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"If Taylor ever wants to contribute with the Stones again either onstage or in the studio he needs to create a buzz about himself as a solo artist or as a contributor on a world wide stage, like paying guitar for Bowie on a tour or Roger Waters or someone of that stature."
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I think it't the other way arround fellow.
You cannot compare the instrumental level of the Stones with or Roger Waters or Bowie
Their music is too simple for that!
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Doxa
Thanks Lightnin' for your take on the Astoria gig. I have never grasped what really happened there, or was the intended Taylor appearance just a result of wishful imagination without any actual base. To be true, I still find it a bit hard to believe that Jagger really was worried about any Wood vs. Taylor-era speculations, but more of his throat (and perhaps really pissed about Ronnie's condition) and for that reason just wanted to get the gig done.
I remember Taylor commenting afterwards that Mick and Keith are as arrogant as ever - so he was probably referring to the way his guest spot was handled?
But what about the stories him missing or being late for the rehearsals or something?
- Doxa
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Lightnin'
I do agree with you on something, Rocky. In terms of the choice of song for Taylor to play on, "Rock Me Baby" would not have been the best one to pick. But you know, Jagger would not like him to steal the limelight so I doubt he would allow Taylor to join in for a song he can really cut loose on.
thanks for the info, as far KC 81 ,i have the soundboard and taylor played like the guitar great that he is ,and what super great special to hear mick taylor vibrato .to me this is a holy grail moment in stones history .to have taylor, richards ,and wood all together on one stage is truly special to me !!!!!!!!!Quote
MCDDTLC
Yapper - Look for the most recent post of Taylor's US tour stops. I mentioned
I'm not going due to Taylor lack of setlist change. And there have been a couple
of other post's of Video's of him playing live the last few years that I didn't
like and said so...
Greek - Examples of Ronnie taking shot's at Taylor (but never to his face)
The 1981 KC gig - Ronnie was the mouthpiece that said Taylor didn't play well
that night, he was too loud, didn't fit in,etc. - all due to Taylor not plugged
into the soundboard or the Stones mountain of Amps. They just plugged him into a
little amp on stage where Taylor had to turn it up full blast to hear himself.
Ronnie's blast that Taylor slipped him a note saying he (Taylor) was broke
and had lost his confinance. Taylor said that didn't happen.
Ronnie saying back when they were young, Taylor was too shy to play sometimes
and asked Ronnie to play for him numerous times, again Bull-crap as Taylor
had the balls to ask John Mayall to let him sit-in when Eric Clapton was a
no-show one night with the Bluesbreakers. Which Taylor did and Mayall never forgot.
How's that for starters. MLC
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hot stuff
I like this one too....If Woodie was in bad shape, it could have turned into a bigger mess bringing Taylor on stage....Jagger just wanted the day to end!!
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Rocky Dijon
I agree Dylan played many arenas in Europe 1984 (if they were stadiums, mea culpa). I have also posted dozens of time on this board that Mick's playing on the Dylan tour is every bit as good as it was on the 1969 tour so no carps there. That said, even if Mick played stadiums in 1984, he could have developed stage jitters if he hadn't played to a large crowd like that in twenty years or so, right? However, instead of arguing what is plausible and isn't, if you'll go back and read my last post in this thread I noted that you successfully shot down the stage fright story Ronnie told as bullshit. Not sure how many other ways I can say I agree with you.