My youngest son is 14. He heard Star Star last year and I went OOPS! He rolled his eyes and said, "Mom, I'm in middle school. I've heard it." Kids know more than we parents want to think.

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It is not something you play to your kids but it made it's purpose.

That's right this is the only tune I never played trough my speakers (only with my headphone) just for the sake of my kids

So now I see: You don't know nothing about the music the teenies nowerday listen to, while you'r listen to your favorite Stones through your headphones ... ;-)


I've to work with younger people every day and I can't believe this diskussions here about what children are listen to.

What A Drag It Is Getting Old. Kids are different today, I hear evry mother say ...

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My youngest son is 14. He heard Star Star last year and I went OOPS! He rolled his eyes and said, "Mom, I'm in middle school. I've heard it." Kids know more than we parents want to think.

by 14, i was the one learning new words from my kids...you ever hear what naughty things are said on their records?

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My youngest son is 14. He heard Star Star last year and I went OOPS! He rolled his eyes and said, "Mom, I'm in middle school. I've heard it." Kids know more than we parents want to think.

by 14, i was the one learning new words from my kids...you ever hear what naughty things are said on their records?

I know those records and I see kids laughing out loud when they here about the Rolling-Stones-Problems to release @#$%& Blues single.

Oh, BTW, I see, c o c k s u c k e r was censored in my post here ... automatically????




Truth Is Stranger Than Fiction ...

Of course it is censored here.
Why shouldnt it? On the other hand:

@#$%& is censored. But
Cocksmoker is not...



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2009-05-19 01:09 by Baboon Bro.

Since rap "music" anything the Stones ever said or sung or did has become a moot point. Sure, there was the time, era and pompous political circumstances - but the Stones gave them all the finger and...in the end, none of it really matters NOW, as well as the past 15 years.

So UMG has retained the essence of the original release - that's all it is. If UMG was interested in presenting the Stones' albums as they were intended, which Virgin did, then - do I need to say it?

First of all, if the Stones LET the record company censor their remasters, that's even more horrific! To think that Mick, the master of control,let that get by him without his knowledge!! NO WAY! I cannot buy that Mick would allow anything by him without his review before giving the OK.
Second, of course some Stones lyrics are not suitable for small kids, but rap is far worse and we KNOW kids buy and listen to that garbage. It is up to the parents to censor, not record companies. I am totally opposed to such censorship; I think it is a great idea to put the warning on the labels, and if parents are alert, they can catch it. To think that in concert, Mick would not sing " Who killed the Kennedys" because it may be offensive...well THAT omission is offensive! That lyric is central to that song. The Some Girls lyrics were great the way they were originally, and white, yellow, and black girls all got a bit abused by the lyrics so black girls should not feel singled-out!

Which leads me back to the question of what did the stones have to do with the new remasters? With very bad compression on the remastering and release of the censored version from the original US LP, you have to wonder where the quality control is? I can only surmise that the record company put these out with minimal involvement from the boys and that Keith and Mick were too busy counting money to actually listen to the CDs prior to release. I refuse to believe that they would knowingly let this out!

Regarding the censorship, I think it would have been an excellent bonus feature for the CD. These remasters don't have any bonus material and this one would have been very easy to do. It makes no sense!

I don't quite get parents being all that concerned with their older kids hearing curse words on Stones records. Little ones, yeah, I suppose so. How old were you when you first heard those songs - and hoped that your parents wouldn't hear them!

You know they hear all that stuff at school anyway. Laying down the law about them not using them is another matter. You think any of Mick's kids would dare risk talking to him like that when they were young?

Seriously, I first heard GHS when I was 16 (i.e., when the LP was released). I could've cared less about the half-as*ed overdubs THEN, and I certainly don't care NOW.

Why are you folks getting your panties twisted over it, anyway? This whole discussion is a bit absurd, doncha think? "Artistic Integrity"? You gotta be kidding me. The line in question is "I bet you keep your p*ssy clean". There -- are you happy now? P*ssy, p*ssy, p*ssy.

bass, your gettin old!

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That's MISTER Bass to you, young man.

I think it's just a case of using the wrong Master Tape for this re-issue, rather than something done on purpose. Just another shoddy half-arsed re-issue.

What surprises me is that it was censored to begin with in 1973.
Doesn't "Casino Boogie" from Exile contain the lyric "Kissing CxxT in Cannes"?
That was a year before and no-one at the record company even noticed it!



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Whatever happened to giving the fans a choice between the censored & uncensored versions?

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Whatever happened to giving the fans a choice between the censored & uncensored versions?

A little p*ssy will cost you extra, then?

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Whatever happened to giving the fans a choice between the censored & uncensored versions?

A little p*ssy will cost you extra, then?

P*ssy ain't never free, you know that!

It just goes to show...as another thread pointed out...the Stones have lost touch with their fans.

If they ever had touch with 'em.

Little did we know when CDs first came out that anything like remastering would really become an issue. Now it's not just the goddamned brickwalling and making things distorted, it's the obstentiousness of censoring to 'retain the essence of the original albums' or whatever that bullshit is they said.

Maybe some of these remasters do sound better than the Virgins but the 'essence' of the albums? What, louder means better? I dunno. Across the board it is just bad. I'm sticking with the Virgins.

Re: The 14 UMG Reissues
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Date: May 10, 2009 11:11

Hi

I don't know yet, if i will buy these releases, but there's already a mistake
on "Goat's head Soup" .

Listen to "Star star" at 1'30"
Mick sing "That's what i call obsene", in the same time that "I bet you keep your pussy clean"

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Sympathyforthedevils

HMN

I've warned you on this topic above!


Hope it is a mistake , if not, i'm agree with some of you to write to Universal
to complain .
The lyrics of the rap (artists??) are more offensive and explicit.
If Universal don't change its masters, we won't spend our money !

HMN



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Big deal. I heard the censored version for 20 years before I heard the original.

I assume everyone here has the '94 remaster, so now you can have both, if you want.

I always thought- and indeed absorbed it this way- that the sloppy overdub had a musical quality of it's own; so much so that whenever I play my '94 remaster, to this day it's a bit jarring (and no live version has ever matched the studio version IMO), seems a bit flat- "ooooh! he said 'pussy'!" It's almost too obvious in some fashion.

The Stones make rude noises; I like the rude noise of the overdub (something, maybe, to do with the difference between porn and erotica. dunno). It's less obvious.And the Stones, while frequently rude, have almost never been obvious.

So I like both versions.

Maybe they can somehow use this upset as an opportunity to make this song a highlight on the next tour. Or at least create some Buzz



Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 2009-05-19 03:47 by ryanpow.

It's not about making a rude noise or a rude overdub, it's that the original lyric, which may have been offensive in 1973 for some really dumb reason - THAT is what was written.

THAT, to me, is the (original) integrity of the song - and whatever other songs - of what was written, not squeezed out by some record label twerp that thinks something is offensive. Why UMG wants to 'retain the essence' and fukc shit up is beyond me.

They're just stupid.

I can see the book now - How UMG Ruined The Rolling Stones In The Twenty Hundreds.

Music is music, man. And if the words are blurred or obscurred due to how the artist MADE their record (or at least released the work to the public in the US) in '73, that's the lasting imprint for some. I happen to think the particular quality of the overdub has a musical quality that- again, FOR ME- is embedded in my musical/Stones DNA.

I have both versions; I prefer the weirdness or whatever of the overdub.

I also have the un-censored version, so I can hear the word "pussy" loud and clear. Should I want to.

A classic example of American puritanism.

In Europe, u can see billboards with boobs -- not so in puritanical BUSH (er, Bush-less) country.


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Correct. Atlantic wanted purity, not art, for the US release. Hence the Stones giving in to the censorship for, most likely, the sake of record sales - and that is only a guess because they went through what they did with Beggars and probably caved in. Choked. So much for the Stones being the Stones and for Atlantic being Atlantic. For some reason Some Girls did not get that treatment. As Jagger said, If you can't take a joke, fukc off. Atlantic couldn't take the joke and Jagger couldn't tell 'em to fukc off for whatever reason.

Keep you DNA. The truth is the truth. The rest of the world heard 'pussy' while the US heard 'obscene'. Or whatever it really is. That's pure utter garbage.

And the CBS CD I have? It's not censored.

I dont think the Stones had anything to do with this..

It really does sound strange - the extra vocal placed over the "pussy" line, and the guitar suddenly louder on the John Wayne verse. Such clumsy editing that it draws your attention to those bits. I'm embarrassed for the idiots who did it.

I hear the word "pussy" all the time. Use it to.

Some of you (American) cats are getting American puritanism confused with music.

My point- again- is that the overdub has a musical quality, at least in memory, for those who heard it when it was released. Real simple point.

Nothing to do with "morals" or any of that.

Speaking of censorship, that reminds me!

Back in '74 when the guitar song book for IORR came out, the lyrics for "Short and Curlies" were written as: "...it's too bad, she's got you by the boards.."

That was just too funny.

I always thought it was polaroids too.