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No, there's a couple of pics of Keith and Jack Nitzsche, Keith in a white blouse with a Gibson Country and Western, shot by Mankowitz, with undersript of Wyman saying that these were shot during overdubs for Satisfaction. There's some remarks in Wyman's Rolling with the Stones as well.

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There's pictures of the recording session, with Keith overdubbing the acoustic.

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Are you meaning the Gered Mankowitz pics where Keith has shades on and is playing a hummingbird? I think you've said those are from satisfaction session before, but they're from later.

Any direct quotes where any of the band say Brian didn't play acoustic?

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No, there's a couple of pics of Keith and Jack Nitzsche, Keith in a white blouse with a Gibson Country and Western, shot by Mankowitz, with undersript of Wyman saying that these were shot during overdubs for Satisfaction. There's some remarks in Wyman's Rolling with the Stones as well.

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I don't recall what photos you mean, but I don't find any evidence in Wyman's book of him not playing. Wyman does mention a band vote on it being the next single after listening to the master and him saying Brian was present.
However, this listening party could have been done soon after.
So I guess the verdict is we really don't know.
We don't have any positive proof that he wasn't there, unless someone has a quote
taht I haven't read.
It does sound to my ears like a part he would play.
Also, too, FWIW, the acoutsic and piano on the mono mix are hardly audible,
but they do beef up the sound, if you know what I mean.

The acoustic is quite clear, but the piano is a struggle to hear!

I will look up the pics, can't post but I will send them to His Majesty.

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I will look up the pics, can't post but I will send them to His Majesty.

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Doxa
I think "I Wanna Be your Man" is a great example of how a rock band sound like: a stupid pop song played with no hostages taken "roots" attitude - the much talked Jones guitar solo has no equivalants in recorded history prior that: it is not the goddamn slide - it is what is done with it! It bloody screams!
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Jones actually does not play at all on Satisfaction. All guitars are Keith. There's a version with overdubbed harmonica by Jones though.

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Jones actually does not play at all on Satisfaction. All guitars are Keith. There's a version with overdubbed harmonica by Jones though.

Doesn't sound like Keith on acoustic. It's too soft and subtle to be Keith.

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He sang on Come On, I Wanna Be Your Man, Bye Bye Johnny and Walking The Dog to name a few of the most obvious

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Aside from excelling at slide playing I do not believe Brian was that good of a guitar player when compared to his peers, again, when compared to his peers.

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In my opinion Brian had many excellent contributions that added that something that made certain songs become more than they were. Under My Thumb, Dandelion, No Expectations, his minimal work on You Got the Silver, which even without Brians input was excellent, but his touch certainly enhanced the song. Ruby Tuesday and recorder playing, plus Keith adding accent with his Cello playing, Paint It Black and his playing throughout Aftermath.

Aside from excelling at slide playing I do not believe Brian was that good of a guitar player when compared to his peers, again, when compared to his peers. After he broke his hand in late 1965 or 1966, it never healed correctly and severely limited his ability to excercise his talents on the guitar. Truely a shame.

In the end I would have to say that No Expectations was his finest moment. His slide playing on that song was poignent, not too much, not too little, just the right amount. HIS PLAYING MADE THE SONG. It truely believe it was his swansong in my opinion, and I think he knew it and he was able to emote his feelings through his playing.

His health problems, both mental and phsyical, the drugs, booze, his insecurities, and his treatment by Keith, Mick and Andrew in 66/67 all aded up to a trainwreck. A.shame in all manners.

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Aside from excelling at slide playing I do not believe Brian was that good of a guitar player when compared to his peers, again, when compared to his peers. After he broke his hand in late 1965 or 1966, it never healed correctly and severely limited his ability to excercise his talents on the guitar. Truely a shame.

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Another work of simplicity but genious is the riff of "The Last Time". It sets the road for The Stones (and many others) as a guitar riff band and it still sounds eternal and catchy. And be it as simple as it ever is I have NEVER heard anyone repeat the magic impression Brian does in the original . . .

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I've just heard bits and pieces of A Degree of Murder and it's really good. It sounds much like the things Brian added to Stones songs.

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The more I listen to bits of the ADOM soundtrack, the more I like it. It's very sophisticated for its time, using all kinds of arrangements, tempo, and technology. The melody used throughout is catchy, and I particularly like all the transformations it goes through.

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There's pictures of the recording session, with Keith overdubbing the acoustic.

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(according to Wyman he [Brian] was in a hospital)

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there's a couple of pics of Keith and Jack Nitzsche, Keith in a white blouse with a Gibson Country and Western, shot by Mankowitz, with undersript of Wyman saying that these were shot during overdubs for Satisfaction. There's some remarks in Wyman's Rolling with the Stones as well.

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Jones actually does not play at all on Satisfaction. All guitars are Keith. There's a version with overdubbed harmonica by Jones though.
There's quite some interviews where all the Stones state they recorded it as a demo while on the road, with Jones being away (according to Wyman he was in hospital).

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Why, drowning, of course. And setting himself up there w/Jimmy and Janis and Jim Morrison!

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Mathijs
There's pictures of the recording session, with Keith overdubbing the acoustic.

And could you hear the acoustic on that picture?

Actually, you mix up the events of three US tours into one - I guess inspired by Philip Norman, who mixes up exactly the same things (and is very unreliable in general). You mix up other things as well.

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(according to Wyman he [Brian] was in a hospital)

The only time Brian was in hospital while the Stones were on tour was from Nov. 11, 1964 to Nov. 14, 1964. This was during the Stones' second US tour. Satisfaction was recorded on May 10 (Chicago) and May 12, 1965 (Los Angeles), during the Stones' third US tour. Wyman never said what you claim he did.

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there's a couple of pics of Keith and Jack Nitzsche, Keith in a white blouse with a Gibson Country and Western, shot by Mankowitz, with undersript of Wyman saying that these were shot during overdubs for Satisfaction. There's some remarks in Wyman's Rolling with the Stones as well.

The only Stones US tour Mankowitz was part of was the fourth US tour of the Stones (late Oct. 1965 to early Dec. 1965). He says so in his own picture book Mason Yard to Promrose Hill (1995, p. 13). The studio shots you refer to were taken at the first Aftermath sessions in Dec. 1965.
There is no Wyman remark existing that connects any picture of Keith with an overdub for Satisfaction, neither in any Mankowitz book nor in any Wyman book. That's pure fantasy.

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Jones actually does not play at all on Satisfaction. All guitars are Keith. There's a version with overdubbed harmonica by Jones though.
There's quite some interviews where all the Stones state they recorded it as a demo while on the road, with Jones being away (according to Wyman he was in hospital).

The hospital part I already corrected. These interviews you are talking about do not exist. Legend is that Keith recorded the riff on a small tape cassette recorder while the Stones were on tour in Florida in order to not forget the idea for it - there is plenty of interviews stating this. This has nothing to do with the studio recording at all.
According to Wyman (correctly quoted, for some change here) the first versions (from Chicago on May 10) were those with Brian on harmonica. So Brian was part of the sessions from the very beginning, when the band was trying to get the track into shape trying every way possible, just as the Stones usually worked in the studio.
Brian was part of the sessions at the very end, as well, when they decided what to do with the finished track:

After we listened to the master, we discussed whether it should be the next single, as Andrew and Dave Hassinger, our patient recording engineer, were so positive about it. We put it on the vote. Andrew, Dave, Stu, Brian, Charlie and I voted yes, while Mick and Keith voted no. The majority carried the day. [Bill Wyman, Stone Alone, p. 380, paperback edition]

This is one of the most detailed reports about a Stones recording session given by a member of the group I know of. There is not the slightest indication Brian was absent from the sessions, but several points showing Brian was present. (I didn't qote the whole passage. In parts Wyman writes about other tracks being recorded as well, to which Brian definitely contributed. Wyman's account in his second book, Rolling With The Stones, is basically the same, only shorter.)

By the way: I don't think the acoustic is actually needed for the enormous impact of Satisfaction. So I don't think it would make any sense for Keith to overdub it; all he cared for at this session was the sound of his electric guitar, and very rightly so. So it seems only logical it was Brian playing the acoustic, as a leftover of earlier versions, in which the fuzz tone wasn't as powerful as in the end. Quite often, especially with their key tracks, the Stones needed a lot of time to find the final shape, and parts they started with may have been lost in the process, but still might have been crucial for the way the recording was taking.

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The acoustic does sound like Keith, it's very remeniscent of his later acoustic work on for example Beggars. And, there's a very early version of the Stones miming the song on TV (it's on youtube), and Jones is seen miming the acoustic: he clearly does not know the chords.

Last, I disagree with your view on the acoustic guitar: it's sheer brilliance to only have acoustic in the verses, it's so much more powerfull than any other instrument could have been.

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