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Bill German should hook up with Cameron Crowe and do ALMOST FAMOUS Pt. 2.

Then I'd be inclined to create a pseudonym for my pseudonym.

This will be a kick ass book.

I've spoken to Bill a couple times and he's the real deal, and his story is a bit like mine and a few others, except he was granted way more access.

Fan becomes an acquaintance of the band, except he goes beyond acquaintance.

Can't wait to read it.

John

personally, I prefer to think of mick as a coked-up wild man than as an efficiency-mad corporate baron. If anything, stories like that will enhance his stature as a main man of rock, not detract from it.

Looking forward to this read very much, I'm hoping for a great book.

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"Mick Jagger, that nice bunch of guys"

This B.German can write!

Haven't I heard Keith or Ronnie say this expression in a TV interview?

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dcba
"Mick Jagger, that nice bunch of guys"

This B.German can write!

Haven't I heard Keith or Ronnie say this expression in a TV interview?

Yeah, this is real old stuff!!

>btw, there was an extensive piece on NPR yesterday about Frank and his (early) career as a photographer in the 50s in NYC as a recent immigrant. Fascinating stuff, but no Stones info, unfortunately. I think a new book on him is on its way.

Indeed:

Looking In: Robert Frank's 'The Americans,' Expanded Edition

[www.npr.org]

chelskeith wrote:

his story is a bit like mine and a few others


meaning? Pls elaborate and don't be cagey or mysterious about it.

Thanks.


p

mick is a nice bunch of guys and micks other name Brenda .now that's funny

I thought it was Elton John whose other name was Brenda.
It all gets confusing.

Here's one of the books from the author that Keith (& Ronnie) were referring to.




IORR............but I like it!

Poor Mick. Poor poor Mick. All that cocaine and ego and the whole world to go.

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personally, I prefer to think of mick as a coked-up wild man than as an efficiency-mad corporate baron. If anything, stories like that will enhance his stature as a main man of rock, not detract from it.

You think? Personally, I thought that German's statement that Mick ONLY agreed to do Live Aid so long on the condition that he got the prime time ABC slot in order for him to plug his debut solo album (and therefore provide a massive springboard for the emerging solo career he envisioned away from the Stones) merely stereotypes him as a money obsessed opportunist.

It sounds really interesting book, and seemingly it offers a great 'insider' look into stormy 80's. I have tirelessly claimed here that on a way The Stones as a living, breathing cohesive band NEVER survived the 80's. This book might revail what actually happened and why. For example, I don't think Mick Jagger has ever been very honest about the motives of his solo career. He seemingly wanted to get rid of Keith, and continue The Stones story by means of his own (and failed like he did in Live Aid). Keith got angry not for nothing.

Unfortunately for Bill German, he seemed to wittness the most lowest moments in their career.

- Doxa

Looking Forward to this I`ve just ordered it Hardback on the Book Depository Website £14.16 + Free delivery cheapest I could find
Amazon and other websites offer it around the £20.00 mark
Bill German One Hell of A Lucky Stones Fan

Ever Danced with a One Legged Woman?

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personally, I prefer to think of mick as a coked-up wild man than as an efficiency-mad corporate baron. If anything, stories like that will enhance his stature as a main man of rock, not detract from it.

You think? Personally, I thought that German's statement that Mick ONLY agreed to do Live Aid so long on the condition that he got the prime time ABC slot in order for him to plug his debut solo album (and therefore provide a massive springboard for the emerging solo career he envisioned away from the Stones) merely stereotypes him as a money obsessed opportunist.

Right on!!! I think that's probably what he is. But thank God for that. Charity shows are almost solely based on that, and I bet that Jagger's performance gave some good money to Africa.

JumpingKentFlash

Doxa ,very good perspective. i agree

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I don't think Mick Jagger has ever been very honest about the motives of his solo career. He seemingly wanted to get rid of Keith, and continue The Stones story by means of his own (and failed like he did in Live Aid). Keith got angry not for nothing.

Unfortunately for Bill German, he seemed to wittness the most lowest moments in their career.

- Doxa

Well i think there's probably lots of blame to go around. There always is when
money, drugs & egos are involved. I'm guessing that there's a lot of motives that even
"insiders" were not privy to. It's easy to blame Mick but let's not forget that
while Mick was trying to stay sober and keep his body & mind strong, Keith
(& Ronnie) was still indulging....and probably made for a difficult person to
work with.

Keith had legit reasons to get pissed...especially about solos & Live Aid etc...

And I have to disagree with you....Mick did not fail at Live Aid...he was
a major highlight. His solo career may have fizzled but that contributed
to Mick's revelation that the BAND is bigger than himself. And Mick can
probably be thanked for the fact that they are still "together" 25 yrs later.

It seems he knows that he should not cut off his nose to spite his face (as the
saying goes).

As for Bill German...as a fan I'm sure he would've rather been there
for the HIGHEST moments..but as Bill German the JOURNALIST the LOWEST moments
might be of more value (in the long run). And the fact that the Stones made
it thru those tough years allows him to report on it now.

I think that Bill and his Beggar's Banquet publication served a great purpose
in the '80s....not only to us fans but to Keith & Ronnie. It appears that they
liked venting to Bill. It was their way of getting word to the fans that things
were screwed up....that K&R wanted to tour as the Rolling Stones and Mick didn't. Etc...

I'm looking forward to the book. I hope he can be objective about
Ronnie & Keith's blemishes too....even though they were "friends" and
collaborators (Ronnie's Art books)....


IORR............but I like it!



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might be a good read. i'm under the impression that bill has long-since been severed from the inner-sanctum, so perhaps he has nothing to lose by telling some truths and stories that the lads would rather be kept under wraps. some of the stories he told a few years ago (b2b tour - yikes, that's more than a few years now!) were pretty interesting...

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Bill German should hook up with Cameron Crowe and do ALMOST FAMOUS Pt. 2.

Then I'd be inclined to create a pseudonym for my pseudonym.

when you think of it there are many similarities...

a young journalist invited into the "inner sanctum"...

both Bill & William Miller had to separate being a fan from objective journalism...

both were sometimes seen as "the enemy"...

both were caught between feuding lead singer & guitarist...

etc...etc...etc...

and in the end, William and (hopefully) Bill are vindicated as being accurate.


IORR............but I like it!



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Bill had that Stones Zone radio show going some years back. Anyone heard it?

JumpingKentFlash

"he basically told Graham" is not really "I heard him saying". I think it is right what B.German said, why pretending that they are still a functioning band, when they are not. So what is wrong with going on stage solo?

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i'm under the impression that bill has long-since been severed from the inner-sanctum, so perhaps he has nothing to lose by telling some truths and stories that the lads would rather be kept under wraps.

exactly my impression too.

would be interesting to know why this happened.

Bill German should hook up with Cameron Crowe and do ALMOST FAMOUS Pt. 2.[/quote]

In Almost Famous there is that the plane is going down confessions scene. Doesn't one say I ate your chicken?! Or something similar applying to a famous Brian and Keith incident?

i really look forward to his book...I loved his newsletters...I only wished i saved them...Save on getting the book...ha.

Title of the book ($16.50 at Amazon)is Under Their Thumb

Guess Bill doesn't like the band so much since he is no longer an enthusiastic fan who found his way to a dream job. So we all grow up and lose some of our illusions. Publishers more and more tend to want only the dirt. Just wait for Mother Teresa's biography. Ethics of the author should play more of a part than they do lately. Somehow I feel that Keith's autobiography will be one of the more honest and fair books to be written about the Rolling Stones. He doesn't need to cash in.

Wonder what Bill German's been doing the past thirteen years? Happy to hear BV thinks highly of him.



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I don't think Mick Jagger has ever been very honest about the motives of his solo career. He seemingly wanted to get rid of Keith, and continue The Stones story by means of his own (and failed like he did in Live Aid). Keith got angry not for nothing.

Unfortunately for Bill German, he seemed to wittness the most lowest moments in their career.

- Doxa

Well i think there's probably lots of blame to go around. There always is when
money, drugs & egos are involved. I'm guessing that there's a lot of motives that even
"insiders" were not privy to. It's easy to blame Mick but let's not forget that
while Mick was trying to stay sober and keep his body & mind strong, Keith
(& Ronnie) was still indulging....and probably made for a difficult person to
work with.

Keith had legit reasons to get pissed...especially about solos & Live Aid etc...

And I have to disagree with you....Mick did not fail at Live Aid...he was
a major highlight. His solo career may have fizzled but that contributed
to Mick's revelation that the BAND is bigger than himself. And Mick can
probably be thanked for the fact that they are still "together" 25 yrs later.

It seems he knows that he should not cut off his nose to spite his face (as the
saying goes).

As for Bill German...as a fan I'm sure he would've rather been there
for the HIGHEST moments..but as Bill German the JOURNALIST the LOWEST moments
might be of more value (in the long run). And the fact that the Stones made
it thru those tough years allows him to report on it now.

I think that Bill and his Beggar's Banquet publication served a great purpose
in the '80s....not only to us fans but to Keith & Ronnie. It appears that they
liked venting to Bill. It was their way of getting word to the fans that things
were screwed up....that K&R wanted to tour as the Rolling Stones and Mick didn't. Etc...

I'm looking forward to the book. I hope he can be objective about
Ronnie & Keith's blemishes too....even though they were "friends" and
collaborators (Ronnie's Art books)....

Very interesting - and good - insights. I had the intention to write "And I understand Jagger very well" into my original post. I had tried in many of my writings in this board to construct what a hell happened in the 80's, and I usually been trying to look the matter from the side of Mick. I am sure he was sick and tired for running the show and being still dependent on weak and insecure links like Keith and Ronnie who were behaving like spoiled kids most of the time. Seemingly, the 1981/82 tour was the last nail in Mick's coffin and after that it was: "no more!". The new and 'sober' Keith demanded his share of the leadership, but seemingly Jagger had not any intentions to give up the lead, and let Keith to mess around. And he never did. Jagger actually came out as a winner of that ego-war of the 80's. It was Jagger and his solo tour concept that took over the Stones from 1989 on, Seemingly Keith gave up all his demands just to get the band on road again. But it was no a band lead by Keith's musical instincts. THAT band did not survived the 80's.

- Doxa

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Seemingly, the 1981/82 tour was the last nail in Mick's coffin

I've seen this come up before (maybe in your posts, Doxa): what events are people referring to? What exactly happened on the tour that would have determined mick's mind re: keith & ron?

I think it was legitimate for Mick to go solo and for Keith to do so, too - unfortunately, he did in response to Mick but not for his own sake!
Thinking of solo careers off the group that still sticks together Genesis is the role model and might have been at the time. It works and I don't know any Genesis fan who was complaing but found the sidekicks refreshing and unique no matter who's side they were on.
The Stones' solos taught us more about the differences - which Stones track is Keith's or Mick's song? - then laying down the the elements they share. If continued seriously, this would work up till today. Doing solos in the mid 80s, doing Steel Wheels together, solos, Voodoo Lounge and so on.

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Bill German should hook up with Cameron Crowe and do ALMOST FAMOUS Pt. 2.

In Almost Famous there is that the plane is going down confessions scene. Doesn't one say I ate your chicken?! Or something similar applying to a famous Brian and Keith incident?

I've seen the movie several times but don't remember an "i ate your chicken" line.
It was more direct.....one of them admitted that he slept with the other's
girlfriend/wife when they were separated.

The airplane scene was a great scene.

I don't know if any of it was suppose to be a reference to the Brian/Keith thing.
Afterall, the movie was based on Cameron Crowe's real life experiences while
on the road with the Allman Brothers and other bands (I think)...not the '60s era Stones.
I think it would be a safe bet that many of the storylines in that movie
were (& are) very common in the world of music. Like....sleeping with a
bandmembers girls, groupies, the band feeling less significant than the
frontman, hurt egos, long tour bus rides, claiming to be misquoted etc..etc...


IORR............but I like it!



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