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blindman

You call this a matrix, are we hearing more than one source at a time
most of the time??
Are there songs where you have one source in the right channel and another source
in the left??

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blindman
Thanks, I always enjoy these.
Kind of thought about putting my own together from one of the gigs.
Not sure I have the patience. The way I would want to do it would be tedious.

But I might try.


So I've been checking this out now.

You call this a matrix, are we hearing more than one source at a time
most of the time??
Are there songs where you have one source in the right channel and another source
in the left??

Sorry if I'm asking too many questions.

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blindman

You call this a matrix, are we hearing more than one source at a time
most of the time??
Are there songs where you have one source in the right channel and another source
in the left??

A few years ago I made a topic to ask for clarification on the vocabulary to use when reworking sources but I barely got a response.

I therefore use the following terms:
Combinations: when several sources are used while complementing each other (to have a more complete recording).
Matrixes: when several sources are read and recorded at the same time (the characteristics of one source can complement those of the other).
Merges: when one source is used for one channel and another source for the other channel (if the recordings come from different 'zones' this can give a stereo effect)
Unfortunately I still don't know if these terms are the most accurate.

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blindman

this took 3 weeks and on average i spent one to three hours on each song trying out multiple combinations of sources and trying to get the sync and balance right amongst a thousand other little adjustments
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I agree, I attempted a remix recently for the last midimannz project and wasted hours trying to get the sync. I stupidly believed digital was always going to be inline. It’s amazing there is no ‘real’ standard for timing

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blindman

You call this a matrix, are we hearing more than one source at a time
most of the time??
Are there songs where you have one source in the right channel and another source
in the left??

A few years ago I made a topic to ask for clarification on the vocabulary to use when reworking sources but I barely got a response.

I therefore use the following terms:
Combinations: when several sources are used while complementing each other (to have a more complete recording).
Matrixes: when several sources are read and recorded at the same time (the characteristics of one source can complement those of the other).
Merges: when one source is used for one channel and another source for the other channel (if the recordings come from different 'zones' this can give a stereo effect)
Unfortunately I still don't know if these terms are the most accurate.

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blindman

this took 3 weeks and on average i spent one to three hours on each song trying out multiple combinations of sources and trying to get the sync and balance right amongst a thousand other little adjustments
d

I agree, I attempted a remix recently for the last midimannz project and wasted hours trying to get the sync. I stupidly believed digital was always going to be inline. It’s amazing there is no ‘real’ standard for timing

yes i've run into that issue but only if i try to matrix two very long recordings in there complete form at the same time

you really have to matrix them one song at a time to get the sync right in my experince

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blindman
Thanks, I always enjoy these.
Kind of thought about putting my own together from one of the gigs.
Not sure I have the patience. The way I would want to do it would be tedious.

But I might try.


So I've been checking this out now.

You call this a matrix, are we hearing more than one source at a time
most of the time??
Are there songs where you have one source in the right channel and another source
in the left??

Sorry if I'm asking too many questions.

no don't worry about the questions ask as many as you want

yes your hearing one source in the right channel and another in the left on all songs thus stereo matrix

this took 3 weeks and on average i spent one to three hours on each song trying out multiple combinations of sources and trying to get the sync and balance right amongst a thousand other little adjustments

it is indeed very tedious but i've come to like it

if you wanna do this i recommend learning how to use audacity and get a good pair of headphones

and then practise practise practise

i figured this out just thru trail and error and you'd probably have to as well

but if you have any questions i'll try to answer however my understanding of the technical stuff is limited

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blindman

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blindman
Thanks, I always enjoy these.
Kind of thought about putting my own together from one of the gigs.
Not sure I have the patience. The way I would want to do it would be tedious.

But I might try.


So I've been checking this out now.

You call this a matrix, are we hearing more than one source at a time
most of the time??
Are there songs where you have one source in the right channel and another source
in the left??

Sorry if I'm asking too many questions.

no don't worry about the questions ask as many as you want

yes your hearing one source in the right channel and another in the left on all songs thus stereo matrix

this took 3 weeks and on average i spent one to three hours on each song trying out multiple combinations of sources and trying to get the sync and balance right amongst a thousand other little adjustments

it is indeed very tedious but i've come to like it

if you wanna do this i recommend learning how to use audacity and get a good pair of headphones

and then practise practise practise

i figured this out just thru trail and error and you'd probably have to as well

but if you have any questions i'll try to answer however my understanding of the technical stuff is limited

Oh, thanks for your answers. And the other replies in the thread are appreciated also.

I know how to do it all.

In 2005 I bought my first computer and Pro Tools LE at the same time.
I had been reading the Pro Tools manual for a year or so before.
My old iMac with PT finally died a few years ago and now I use all of the knowledge I gained from using PT all of those years.
I'm currently using ocenaudio to do lots and Harrison Mixbus 10 to do everything else.

I do use Audacity on occasion for certain things.

Thanks again, if I do come up with more questions I will ask.

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I don't mean to brag, lol. It seemed that way.
I am very impressed though with the way you do all of this.
I always would have thought the idea of grabbing YouTube videos to do this kind of thing would be kind of crazy, but it works!
And using different recordings in left and right can be very effective as you've shown.

The tedious part is scary though. lol

I have a new iMac and it's really fast, compared to my older ones.
So I can breeze right through a remaster of a nice stereo capture very quickly.
But tedious slows me right down. lol

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senecastj
Can I ask what your methodology for time alignment is? Are you time stretching sources?

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Hiya--you're doing what I lovingly refer to as "chop and align" it sounds like. It can work to an extent, but even digital sources will have signficant drift among different recorder. The only way to compensate for that to adjust the speed of one source to another. I agree with you that it makes sense to use a "master" clock as much as possible.

I know you're doing the best you can with random YouTube sources, so there's an upper limit on the quality sources. By aligning multiple sources and panning them out, have you found there's a significant and meaningful increase in quality?

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Fair enough. I just find mixing together audience recordings to not add much improvement, unless there was a specific issues you're looking to fix.