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thank you very much for this thread!

my 1st faked outtake lp was "the guy never dies" (in 1985) but when listening to foxes in the boxes (1,5 years ago) i had the feeling that to some traks somebody added a guitar using home recording equipment

i think that everybody can modify recordings at home. but when sharing such recordings this should be declared. i liked the techno versions of gimme shelter and some 2b2 tracks. everybody can hear that those tracks are not tracks by the rs. but sharing sound-a-like-outtakes without declaration is a bit like fooling the community.

I have to chime in here and respond in no uncertain terms that NOTHING on Foxes in the Boxes was altered or augmented in any way, shape or form. I realize you are just expressing a personal opinion without knowledge of the provenance, but the idea that guitar was added is preposterous in this case. What you hear on Foxes is exactly what was on Art Collins' personal cassettes from the band in the late '70s and early '80s.

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I have a request.

My english is not very good, and I can make mistakes, so forgive me.

There is a problem here on IORR.

Some people are uploading compilations of outtakes, and some of these outtakes are fakes.

RS Kinno is the one.

As exemple, he uploaded "Some Girls" tracks some weeks ago, nothing was new, but what seemed to be new outtakes were just fakes.

He did the same in the past with "Undercover" tracks wich were "looped tracks".

As exemple, his recent upload of a 1'28 instrumental version of "Hang Fire" is just the short 0'30 snippet looped/repeated 3 times.

I don't know why he do these things.


As a collector, I try to know what is true and what is false.


Another exemple, in the "Emotional Rescue" uploads, you are supposed to get 3 versions including "Let's Go Steady" with 3 guitars. But this is 3 times the same mix with two guitars.

The 3 guitars mix/version was released on EVSD 203-206, and I think the bootlegger himself never noticed the difference. I did. And asked other collecters their opinion. They agreed.

So please, YOU, IORR downloaders, download, listen carefully and then say "thanks" if there is something new.

But listen before saying "thanks".

Sorry if I am too abrupt.

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I have to chime in here and respond in no uncertain terms that NOTHING on Foxes in the Boxes was altered or augmented in any way, shape or form.
What you hear on Foxes is exactly what was on Art Collins' personal cassettes from the band in the late '70s and early '80s.

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I ask you.

Listen to RSkinno "ER/TY sessions"
CD5 track 16 - Do you think this 16'44 version of Dance is genuine ?
CD3 track 15 - Do you think this 6'37 version of It's Cold Down There is genuine ?
CD3 track 16 - Do you think this 4'29 version of Sheep Dip Blues is genuine ?

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It's Cold Down There I and Sheep Dip Blues II come from the same package in mono
all three are real



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I want to apologize for my mistake
"Let Steady Go" I and II - are alike, my fault

correct is:

Let Steady Go I - without Backing vocal
Let Steady Go II - guitar and Backing vocal overdub
Let Steady Go III - two Guitar Version with Backing vocal
Let Steady Go IV - two Guitar Version with Backing vocal with another Ending

Let Steady Go I (is not in the box)
It's Cold Down There I and Sheep Dip Blues II come from the same package in mono
all three are real

I can not say to the 'Dance' mix I got it that way

rsKinno

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790122A

22nd January - 12th February: Nassau, Bahamas, Compass Point Studios.
Producers: The Glimmer Twins. Sound engineer: Chris Kimsey.


- Piano instrumental (MJ/KR)


I think is this "piano instrumental" 1979

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DoctorStone
thank you very much for this thread!

my 1st faked outtake lp was "the guy never dies" (in 1985) but when listening to foxes in the boxes (1,5 years ago) i had the feeling that to some traks somebody added a guitar using home recording equipment

i think that everybody can modify recordings at home. but when sharing such recordings this should be declared. i liked the techno versions of gimme shelter and some 2b2 tracks. everybody can hear that those tracks are not tracks by the rs. but sharing sound-a-like-outtakes without declaration is a bit like fooling the community.

I have to chime in here and respond in no uncertain terms that NOTHING on Foxes in the Boxes was altered or augmented in any way, shape or form. I realize you are just expressing a personal opinion without knowledge of the provenance, but the idea that guitar was added is preposterous in this case. What you hear on Foxes is exactly what was on Art Collins' personal cassettes from the band in the late '70s and early '80s.

i learned to listen when i learned to play guitar. listening to any version of dance, we hear many more than 2 guitars. that´s one thing. when i listen to emotional rescue (foxes in the boxes) i have the impression that homerecording happened. i do not claim being an expert as the 3 mentioned gurus. but i'm an experienced listender _and_ musician. as an (2nd class??) expert i can mention my impressions and also i appreciate other opinions. but i am not sure wheter i need a rating (of my postings) this way. my posting contained my impression on one hand and my option regarding modifications on the other hand.


cheers/prost/.....