Anyone can help with info

I recently got a new CD player TEAC CD-1000 which can play standard CD / CDR / CDRW and SACD.

Specs show 24 bit 192 KHZ

Now my questions:

1. If i burn a disk with 24 bit audio files of SACD do i use a regular CDR because it surpasses the regular 700 mb size? Or do i need to use a DVDR?

2 For burning can i use Nero or Imgburn?

3 Can i burn tracks at 24 Bit with 48 sample rate even if not SACD like seen here or on torents..

Any help or tips would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks in advance.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2015-06-16 22:12 by THE DON.

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THE DON
1. If i burn a disk with 24 bit audio files of SACD do i use a regular CDR because it surpasses the regular 700 mb size? Or do i need to use a DVDR?

You will not be able to produce a CD-R/DVD-R disc with 24-bit audio that will be playable on your TEAC. A CD-R disc (CD-DA) supports 16-bit audio, not 24-bit. A DVD-R disc (DVD-Video/DVD-Audio) supports 24-bit audio but your TEAC doesn't support DVD-Video/DVD-Audio.

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THE DON
2 For burning can i use Nero or Imgburn?

No. See above.

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THE DON
3 Can i burn tracks at 24 Bit with 48 sample rate even if not SACD like seen here or on torents..

No. See above.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2015-06-16 23:32 by ReelStone.

is about the recording ... of daftly
If you want I can convert it to 16bit, it is a bit brighter.

Doesn't SACD need to be an .ISO file to get both layers? I downloaded 21 Stones SACD's from Pirate Bay in .ISO format...I have an OPPO-93 dvd player that will play just about every format known to man...

Not to be wise but,there is no such thing as a 24-bit SA-CD .

24-bit / 20-bit / 16-bit / and 8-bit audio has to do with PCM which is found on CD discs (16-bit) , DVD-Audio discs , and Blu-ray Discs (video and / or audio Blu-ray discs).

SA-CD's use DSD which is a different scheme ( 1-bit / 2.8 MHz ) .

Here's some info that I will quote :

" Launched by Sony and Philips in 1999, SACD uses Direct Stream Digital (DSD), a 1-bit system with a sampling rate of 2.8 million times a second, about 64 times the sampling rate of conventional CDs. This 2.8-MHz rate yields a frequency response of 1 Hz to 100 kHz, far beyond the response limits of human hearing, and a 120-dB dynamic range that is roughly equivalent to our ears' dynamic range. SACD is now capable of delivering six full-bandwidth DSD channels that encompass those extraordinary standards. " ( Six Channels or the normal 2 Channel stereo )

Maybe the music could be mixed and / or mastered at 24-bits but,the format would have to be converted for SA-CD compatibility.

The 24 bit / 192 KHZ spec with your piece of equipment most likely refers to the DAC (digital-to-analog converter) and ,perhaps,possibly any upsampling capability that it might have.

By the way,the vast majority of SA-CD equipment WILL NOT output raw DSD anyway. It ends up getting converted to PCM before it reaches the output jacks (this is where the DAC enters the equation) - with a few rare exceptions as far as playback equipment goes.

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Mr.D
Doesn't SACD need to be an .ISO file to get both layers? I downloaded 21 Stones SACD's from Pirate Bay in .ISO format...I have an OPPO-93 dvd player that will play just about every format known to man...

The actual SA-CD layer,yes. SA-CD stereo or multi-channel. Either a .ISO file or a .DSF file.

Any regular layer,as found on the 2002 Stones hybrid dual layer reissues,is just the same as any other audio CD. Just not the other,high-resolution layer.

I believe that the new Oppo players can play DSD .iso files from their USB ports. Maybe the BDP-93 can as well. I can't remember. It might depend on its firmware version.

I love ReelStone explanation: it's short and it does say clearly you can not make your own "SACD-R".

Very complete (and complex) information about why you can not make it can be read here: [forum.audacityteam.org] (TWO pages)

That link with it's two pages does explain why it's difficult to rip SACDs (with PS3 with special firmware and software), why it's difficult to prepare SACD contents (special software again), why the info of a SACD does not fit in a CDR but in a DVDR, and why a DVDR with a SACD structure is not compatible with a standard SACD and only a very short list of audio players can read those DVDRs with SACD structures (be them "hybrid" with both SACD structure and standard CD layer or not).

Has anybody here ever seen a SACD of Between The Buttons? It's not in the 21 SACD torrent I downloaded. Thanks for the explanations, very concise and easy to understand. I wonder why they stopped making those Bluray audio's of clasic albums, I have Let It Bleed, Exiles and several others in that format, maybe it was poor sales.

I managed to get all the SACD iso's which included both the uk & us version of Between the buttons.Burning these to disc (dvd) is not difficult,just load iso into Img burn pop a dvd in drive and burn.
I play them on a Sony BDP S300 thru my pioneer vsx 924 in DSD

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Levityx101
I managed to get all the SACD iso's which included both the uk & us version of Between the buttons.Burning these to disc (dvd) is not difficult,just load iso into Img burn pop a dvd in drive and burn.
I play them on a Sony BDP S300 thru my pioneer vsx 924 in DSD

Have you ever seen it on a torrent site? Thanks for your help...

No I picked them up on the usernet thru Newshosting.

For anyone interested at least there is this (old) list with some players that can, and some players that can't, play DVDRs with SACD structures (like the one of Levityx101): [sacd-ripper.googlecode.com]

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Levityx101
No I picked them up on the usernet thru Newshosting.

I found it on Pirate Bay, it's an ISO file, downloading it now!

no torrent only for information:
The Rolling Stones ABKCO 2002 SACD's Reissues list:

[www.rollingstonesnet.com]

and

The Rolling Stones - Greatest Albums in the Sixties [Japanese Special SHM-CD Box]


England's Newest Hitmakers (1964) [2008, Japan SHM-CD]
Universal Music | UICY-93780

Tracklist:

01. Not Fade Away 01:48
02. Route 66 02:21
03. I Just Want To Make Love To You 02:18
04. Honest I Do 02:10
05. Now I've Got A Witness 02:32
06. Little By Little 02:40
07. I'm A King Bee 02:37
08. Carol 02:34
09. Tell Me 04:05
10. Can I Get A Witness 02:56
11. You Can Make It If You Try 02:02
12. Walking The Dog 03:09



12x5 (1964) [2008, Japan SHM-CD]
Universal Music | UICY-93781

Tracklist:

1. Around And Around (3:09)
2. Confessin' The Blues (2:51)
3. Empty Heart (2:40)
4. Time Is On My Side (2:55)
5. Good Times, Bad Times (2:36)
6. It's All Over Now (3:30)
7. 2120 South Michigan Avenue (2:10)
8. Under The Boardwalk (2:49)
9. Congratulations (2:30)
10. Grown Up Wrong (2:08)
11. If You Need Me (2:06)
12. Susie Q (1:49)



The Rolling Stones, Now! (1965) [2008, Japan SHM-CD]
Universal Music | UICY-93782

Tracklist:

01. Everybody Needs Somebody To Love 03:00
02. Down Home Girl 04:13
03. You Can't Catch Me 03:40
04. Heart Of Stone 02:49
05. What A Shame 03:06
06. Mona (I Need You Baby) 03:35
07. Down The Road Apiece 02:56
08. Off The Hook 02:35
09. Pain In My Heart 02:12
10. Oh Baby (We Got A Good Thing Goin') 02:09
11. Little Red Rooster 03:06
12. Surprise, Surprise 02:31



Out Of Our Heads (1965) (US Version) [2008, Japan SHM-CD]
Universal Music | UICY-93783

Tracklist:

1. Mercy Mercy 2:44
2. Hitch Hike 2:25
3. The Last Time 3:41
4. That's How Strong My Love Is 2:25
5. Good Times 1:58
6. I'm Alright 2:23
7. (I Can't Get No) Satisfaction 3:42
8. Cry To Me 3:09
9. The Under Assistant West Coast Promotion Man 3:07
10. Play With Fire 2:13
11. The Spider And The Fly 3:38
12. One More Try 1:58



December's Children (And Everybody's) (1965) [2008, Japan SHM-CD]
Universal Music | UICY-93785

Tracklist:

1. She Said Yeah
2. Talkin' About You
3. You Better Move On
4. Look What You've Done
5. Singer Not the Song
6. Route 66
7. Get Off of My Cloud
8. I'm Free
9. As Tears Go By
10. Gotta Get Away
11. Blue Turns to Grey
12. I'm Moving On



Big Hits (High Tide And Green Grass) (US Version) [2008, Japan SHM-CD]
Universal Music | UICY-93786

Tracklist:

01. (I Can't Get No) Satisfaction 03:44
02. The Last Time 03:42
03. As Tears Go By 02:46
04. Time Is On My Side 03:01
05. It's All Over Now 03:27
06. Tell Me 03:49
07. 19th Nervous Breakdown 03:58
08. Heart Of Stone 02:52
09. Get Off Of My Cloud 02:56
10. Not Fade Away 01:49
11. Good Times, Bad Times 02:32
12. Play With Fire 02:13



Aftermath (1966) (UK Version) [2008, Japan SHM-CD]
Universal Music | UICY-93788

Tracklist:

1. Mother's Little Helper 2:44
2. Stupid Girl 2:54
3. Lady Jane 3:08
4. Under My Thumb 3:41
5. Doncha Bother Me 2:41
6. Going Home 11:13
7. Flight 505 3:27
8. High And Dry 3:08
9. Out Of Time 5:36
10. It's Not Easy 2:56
11. I Am Waiting 3:10
12. Take It Or Leave It 2:47
13. Think 3:09
14. What To Do 2:32



Got Live If You Want It! (1966) [2008, Japan SHM-CD]
Universal Music | UICY-93789

Tracklist:

01 Under My Thumb
02 Get Off Of My Cloud
03 Lady Jane
04 Not Fade Away
05 I've Been Loving You Too Long
06 Fortune Teller
07 The Last Time
08 19th Nervous Breakdown
09 Time Is On My Side
10 I'm Alright
11 Have You Seen Your Mother, Baby, Standing In The Shadow
12 (I Can't Get No) Satisfaction



Between The Buttons (1967) (UK Version) [2008, Japan SHM-CD]
Universal Music | UICY-93791

Tracklist:

01. Yesterday's Papers 02:05
02. My Obsession 03:18
03. Back Street Girl 03:28
04. Connection 02:10
05. She Smiled Sweetly 02:45
06. Cool, Calm & Collected 04:19
07. All Sold Out 02:18
08. Please Go Home 03:18
09. Who's Been Sleeping Here? 03:57
10. Complicated 03:16
11. Miss Amanda Jones 02:48
12. Something Happened To Me Yesterday 04:55



Flowers (1967) [2008, Japan SHM-CD]
Universal Music | UICY-93792

Tracklist:

1. Ruby Tuesday (3:18)
2. Have You Seen Your Mother, Baby, Standing In The Shadow? (2:36)
3. Let's Spend The Night Together (3:40)
4. Lady Jane (3:12)
5. Out Of Time (3:45)
6. My Girl (2:42)
7. Back Street Girl (3:29)
8. Please Go Home (3:20)
9. Mother's Little Helper (2:48)
10. Take It Or Leave It (2:51)
11. Ride On, Baby (2:56)
12. Sittin' On A Fence (3:03)



Their Satanic Majesties Request (1967) [2008, Japan SHM-CD]
Universal Music | UICY-93793

Tracklist:

1. Sing This All Together
2. Citadel
3. In Another Land - The Rolling Stones, Bill Wyman
4. 2000 Man
5. Sing This All Together (See What Happens)
6. She's a Rainbow
7. Lantern
8. Gomper
9. 2000 Light Years from Home
10. On With the Show



Beggars Banquet (1968) [2008, Japan SHM-CD]
Universal Music | UICY-93794

Tracklist:

01 Sympathy for the Devil
02 No Expectations
03 Dear Doctor
04 Parachute Woman
05 Jigsaw Puzzle
06 Street Fighting Man
07 Prodigal Son
08 Stray Cat Blues
09 Factory Girl
10 Salt of the Earth



Through The Past, Darkly (Big Hits Vol. 2) (1969) (US Version) [2008, Japan SHM-CD]
Universal Music | UICY-93795

Tracklist:

01 Paint It Black
02 Ruby Tuesday
03 She's A Rainbow
04 Jumpin' Jack Flash
05 Mother's Little Helper
06 Let's Spend The Night Together
07 Honky Tonk Woman
08 Dandelion
09 2000 Light Years From Home
10 Have You Seen Your Mother Baby, Standing In The Shadow?
11 Street Fighting Man



Let It Bleed (1969) [2008, Japan SHM-CD]
Universal Music | UICY-93796

Tracklist:

01. Gimme Shelter (4:35)
02. Love In Vain (4:23)
03. Country Honk (3:10)
04. Live With Me (3:37)
05. Let It Bleed (5:34)
06. Midnight Rambler (6:57)
07. You Got The Silver (2:55)
08. Monkey Man (4:15)
09. You Can't Always Get What You Want (7:28)



Get Yer Ya-Ya's Out! (1970) [2008, Japan SHM-CD]
Universal Music | UICY-93797

Tracklist:

01. Jumpin' Jack Flash 04:03
02. Carol 03:46
03. Stray Cat Blues 03:47
04. Love In Vain 04:56
05. Midnight Rambler 09:04
06. Sympathy For The Devil 06:51
07. Live With Me 03:02
08. Little Queenie 04:33
09. Honky Tonk Women 03:34
10. Street Fighting Man 04:04



Metamorphosis (1975) (UK Version) [2008, Japan SHM-CD]
Universal Music | UICY-93805

Tracklist:

1. Out Of Time
2. Don't Lie To Me
3. Somethings Just Stick In YOur Mind
4. Each And Every Day Of The Year
5. Heart Of Stone
6. I'd Much Rather Be With The Boys
7. (Walkin' Thru The) Sleepy City
8. We're Wastin' Time
9. Try A Little Harder
10. I Don't Know Why
11. If You Let Me
12. Jiving Sister Fanny
13. Downtown Suzie
14. Family
15. Memo From Turner
16. I'm Going Down



Rock and Roll Circus [2008, Japan SHM-CD]
Universal Music | UICY-91317

Tracklist:

1. Mick Jagger's Introduction Of Rock And Roll Circus (0:25)
2. Entry Of The Gladiators (0:55)
3. Mick Jagger's Introduction Of Jethro Tull (0:11)
4. Song For Jeffrey - Jethro Tull (3:25)
5. Keith Richard's Introduction Of The Who (0:07)
6. A Quick One While He's Away - The Who (7:32)
7. Over The Waves (0:45)
8. Ain't That A Lot Of Love - Taj Mahal (3:48)
9. Charlie Watts' Introduction Of Marianne Faithfull (0:05)
10. Something Better - Marianne Faithfull (2:31)
11. Mick Jagger's And John Lennon's Introduction Of The Dirty Mac (1:05)
12. Yer Blues - The Dirty Mac (4:26)
13. Whole Lotta Yoko - Yoko Ono And Ivry Gitlis with The Dirty Mac (4:48)
14. John Lennon's Introduction Of The Rolling Stones - Jumping Jack Flash - The Rolling Stones (3:35)
15. Parachute Woman - The Rolling Stones (2:58)
16. No Expectations - The Rolling Stones (4:13)
17. You Can't Always Get What You Want - The Rolling Stones (4:24)
18. Sympathy For The Devil - The Rolling Stones (8:48)
19. Salt Of The Earth - The Rolling Stones (4:56)





Exile On Main St. (1972) [2010, Super Deluxe Edition Japan SHM-CD]
Universal Music Japan | UICY-91557 (Limited to 5000 Copies)


Tracklist: - CD 1:

01. Rock Off (Jagger/Richards)
02. Rip That Joint (Jagger/Richards)
03. Shake Your Hips (Jagger/Richard)
04. Casino Boogie (Jagger/Richard)
05. Tumbling Dice (Jagger/Richard)
06. Sweet Virginia (Jagger/Richard)
07. Torn And Frayed (Jagger/Richard)
08. Sweet Black Angel (Jagger/Richard)
09. Loving Cup (Jagger/Richard)
10. Happy (Jagger/Richard)
11. Turd On The Run (Jagger/Richard)
12. Ventilator Blues (Jagger/Richard)
13. I Just Want To See His Face (Jagger/Richard)
14. Let It Loose (Jagger/Richard)
15. All Down The Line (Jagger/Richard)
16. Stop Breaking Down (Trad. Arr.: Jagger/Richards/Wyman/Taylor/Watts)
17. Shine A light (Jagger/Richard)
18. Soul Survivor (Jagger/Richard)


Tracklist: - CD 2:

01. Pass The Wine-Sophia Loren (Jagger/Richards)
02. Plundered My Soul (Jagger/Richards)
03. I'm Not Signifying (Jagger/Richards)
04. Following The River (Jagger/Richards)
05. Dancing In The Light (Jagger/Richards)
06. So Divine (Aladdin Story) (Jagger/Richards)
07. Loving Cup [Alt. Take] (Jagger/Richards)
08. Soul Survivor [Alt. Take] (Jagger/Richards)
09. Good Time Women (Jagger/Richards)
10. Title 5 (Jagger/Richards)
11. All Down The Line [Alt. Take] (Jagger/Richard) *** Japan Bonus Track



Links:
[www.amazon.de]
[www.amazon.com]



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2015-06-17 19:18 by werther2003.

Easier and more durable than the DVD-R method is to burn the .ISO and / or .DSF files to a USB stick. That's if you have the required equipment for playback. A USB external hard drive is another option. Plug them in to compatible equipment and listen away.

Another option is a portable music player which can handle DSD files. Examples are :

- Fiio X5 ..... * [www.bhphotovideo.com] *

- Fiio X3 (Second Generation) ..... * [www.bhphotovideo.com] *

- HiFiMan HM-802 ..... * [www.crutchfield.com] *

You can't copy a sacd
shm cd no problems

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max56
You can't copy a sacd
shm cd no problems

Even if you can copy a shm CD you will not get the shm quality because when it ocmes to shm CD it's the type of disc they use that gives an enhanced sound.

That's true you got the normal cd quality
but it's still beter than mp3 or flac or whatever digital shit
I got everything on sacd shm cd and these are the best
voodoo lounge , bridges to babylon and steel wheels are fantastic on shm
played with a marantz sacd player with analog xlr output

Joe Walsh sings I'm a analog man

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max56
That's true you got the normal cd quality
but it's still beter than mp3 or flac or whatever digital shit

played with a marantz sacd player with analog xlr output

Joe Walsh sings I'm a analog man

So CDs, of whatever description, are not digital shit then?
There is no difference between a flac and a CD (if it's done properly obviously)

Playing it through an analogue output doesn't make it analogue.

I have a analog kenwood pre amplifier and phase linear end amplifier also analog
and my ears are also analog mister shelter
just keep it with mp3 thats for you the best

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max56
I have a analog kenwood pre amplifier and phase linear end amplifier also analog
and my ears are also analog mister shelter
just keep it with mp3 thats for you the best

I never said anything about MP3s.

I know that your ears are analogue Mr max56 and I know that your amplifier is analogue, but do you know that CDs are digital? It doesn't seem like it.

I suggest you learn a bit more about what you are talking about before you start trying to tell me the difference between analogue and digital, Mr max56.

Your'e the best man
I have also records moron

who are you calling a moron? Troll.

you said (referring to the Don's comment about copying shm-cds):

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max56
That's true you got the normal cd quality
but it's still beter than mp3 or flac or whatever digital shit

or can't you remember that far back?

you're just making it up as you go along.

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JimmyShelter
who are you calling a moron? Troll.

you said (referring to the Don's comment about copying shm-cds):

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max56
That's true you got the normal cd quality
but it's still beter than mp3 or flac or whatever digital shit

or can't you remember that far back?

you're just making it up as you go along.

To max56 when you include flac with mp3 as the same catagory and referring it to shit you are defintely wrong. Flac is lossless (of course if done right and the flac was not from mp3 source first)



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2015-06-19 20:29 by THE DON.

then you have about 40 % from record or sacd shm
mp3 maybe 25 %

DSD files ripped via an old,original 60GB PlayStation 3 (with a firmware version of 3.55 or earlier) = SACD without the disc.