If you need a ticket for Hamburg you can get it for free. Radio station ndr2 give away 6 (!!!) tickets to one person every hour over the whole weekend (starting today). Apart from that you can also win 6 tickets if you go to their website ndr2.de and make a silly quiz. So this is even worse than Frankfurt where they gave away only 2 tickets per person one day before the show.

Oh, ain't it disgusting?

why is it disgusting?? i thought the consensus is it's high prices that are disgusting,
so how can it also be disgusting if loads of people get a chance to see the Stones for free??

This is the end of Stones shows in West Germany, maybe the most oversaturated market worldwide. The prices are only one side of the problem. More important is that the casual fans have seen the band too many times since 1995.

On the next European tour (2009 I guess) there will be no or just one show in West Germany and probably more than usual in East Germany (Erfurt, Dresden, maybe Rostock). There will the stadiums be packed; 14 Mio. people (not counting Berlin) are enough to fill three medium sized stadiums, especially in "virgin" markets. In Portugal (10 Mio.) they played two shows in the same tour 2006/07.

It was a big mistake by Cohl to book only West German stadiums (over and over again) and to skip the planned East German show(s) (remember the Erfurt June 8 rumour?).



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beast of burgk Wrote:
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> On the next European tour (2009 I guess) there
> will be no or just one show in West Germany and
> probably more than usual in East Germany (Erfurt,
> Dresden, maybe Rostock). There will the stadiums
> be packed;


=> Nonsense.
If they announce a tour early enough (before the other big acts) and sell tickets for acceptable prices, they'll fill many stadiums in Western Germany in a satisfying way.

I don't think that West Germany is the only oversaturated market. Isn't it quite normal for a band who has been touring over and over since the last 17 years. We've been lucky to have able to see them so much. Now, it's U2, The Police or Genesis fans to have that luck.

RollingStonesFan Wrote:
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> beast of burgk Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > On the next European tour (2009 I guess) there
> > will be no or just one show in West Germany and
> > probably more than usual in East Germany
> (Erfurt,
> > Dresden, maybe Rostock). There will the
> stadiums
> > be packed;
>
>
> => Nonsense.
> If they announce a tour early enough (before the
> other big acts) and sell tickets for acceptable
> prices, they'll fill many stadiums in Western
> Germany in a satisfying way.

Nonsense is actually what YOU are claiming. Don't forget the poor ticket sales in Bremen and Gelsenkirchen 1998, in Cologne 1999, in Oberhausen 2003 (Hockenheim too?), in Berlin and Munich 2006. Most of these shows were announced many months before, more than enough time to sell tickets. There were no "rivals" like Genesis or Grönemeyer on tour in those years.

True is what I wrote, although I understand that the West German hard core fans don't wanna read things like that.



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Posted by: beast of burgk (IP Logged)

Nonsense is actually what YOU are claiming. Don't forget the poor ticket sales in Bremen and Gelsenkirchen 1998, in Cologne 1999, in Oberhausen 2003 (Hockenheim too?), in Berlin and Munich 2006. Most of these shows were announced many months before. True is what I wrote, although I understand that the West German hard core fans don't wanna read things like that.
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beast of burgk,

there is anymore east or west-germay since just 18 years.
you did not hear this???

heinz_str Wrote:
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> Posted by: beast of burgk (IP Logged)
>
> Nonsense is actually what YOU are claiming. Don't
> forget the poor ticket sales in Bremen and
> Gelsenkirchen 1998, in Cologne 1999, in Oberhausen
> 2003 (Hockenheim too?), in Berlin and Munich 2006.
> Most of these shows were announced many months
> before. True is what I wrote, although I
> understand that the West German hard core fans
> don't wanna read things like that.
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> beast of burgk,
>
> there is anymore east or west-germay since just 18
> years.
> you did not hear this???

Politically you are right, but in many aspects and as a Stones market there are still two different Germanys. West Germany (67 Mio. population incl. West Berlin) got dozens Stones shows from 1990-2007 (I think 46!!! incl. three shows at smaller venues), East Germany (15 Mio. population incl. East Berlin) only five (!) shows, all of them in Berlin or Leipzig. Considering this makes the current situation understandable - the shows are 200-300 km too far West!! Many East German fans went to Brno (ca. 42 EUR for FOS tickets!) instead of Hamburg or Frankfurt.



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Lucky people who get the free tickets I say.

Quite funny to think they are No 1 in the charts there but have to give away tickets.

This should definately send out a message that the pitch seating was a very bad idea.

Beast of Burgk you are well informed about the german market (rolling stones),could you please post some details about the shows in germany(how many peoples per show )Please?

hallo rroonnie,denke du bist im urlaub.
abetr danke für diesen tip. detlef

with sssoul Wrote:
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> why is it disgusting?? i thought the consensus is
> it's high prices that are disgusting,
> so how can it also be disgusting if loads of
> people get a chance to see the Stones for free??


indeed, the consensus comes down to: far too high ticket prices.

but what makes it even more disgusting is:
that the market was so ill misjudged.
that even after reducing the capacities for the venues, they wont sell.
the folks who bought expensive tix feel ripped off, plus they have to go through the trouble of exchanging 'em.
there's been time enough to get that sorted out, but they don't do anything about it.
They don't lower the prices - they give them away for free, which of course is nice for the ones who get them, but it's at the expence of the true fans who bought the tickets when they first went on sale.

disgusting, because they didn't even try to steer clear.
Blinder Aktionismus - knee-jerk effect.

I guess thats a full loop as we come back to the consensus:
far too high ticket prices.

brainer Wrote:
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> Beast of Burgk you are well informed about the
> german market (rolling stones),could you please
> post some details about the shows in germany(how
> many peoples per show )Please?

There was an article last year in a well known German "Oldies" magazine ( I think its name is "Good Times") with the exact attendance of every (or most) German Stones shows throughout the years. I missed it, unfortunately. Can anybody help?

with sssoul Wrote:
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> why is it disgusting?? i thought the consensus is
> it's high prices that are disgusting,
> so how can it also be disgusting if loads of
> people get a chance to see the Stones for free??


Come on, with a "medium" price (maybe € 90) there would be no problem.

Disgusting is, that the greatest band of all times has to give away
loads of tickets to make it look sold out. You can hear and read in
the media that "the Stones cannot sell out shows anymore".

A pity that the public really believes that though it´s only true for
some shows.

Well put, Too Tough.

The point is the ticket price.

all right, so i was being a bit sarcastic - but only a bit.
this is what the process of correcting the pricing overestimate looks like,
so if we're opposed to high ticket prices, we should treat this sort of scenario as good news,
and be glad for all those theoretical young fans that folks always say would love the Stones
if they could only afford to - now a bunch of them have a chance for free.

NOT only ticket prices, but the many cancellations of concerts, over the last 2-3 years, or new dates .. are reasons for poor sell out ... also moving the stage to the longer side, with all the trouble of new ticket places .. pay a 1000 $$ and get same tickets as others for 59.00 euro .. and the poor performances during many shows .. will make people spend there money somewhere else .. allthow a few members here will never see the truth .. and will never be able to admitt all of this .. thats fine with me .. i prefer living with fantastic memories .......