alimente Wrote:
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> JumpingKentFlash Wrote:
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> -----
> > sidonia Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > JumpingKentFlash Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
>
> > As I said: You must have trouble reading. It's
> not
> > my problem that you guys read everything into
> my
> > post that isn't there. Now I've "only" seen
> three
> > concerts (One on B2B, Licks and ABB - Have 3
> more
> > coming this year), but I write what I feel, and
> > what I have come to know out of experience.
> Many,
> > many, many times I have read that they suck,
> and
> > that they simply can't hack it anymore. After
> > reading all that (Which did make me worry at
> the
> > time) I went to a gig, and was completely blown
> > away of how good it was. What I'm saying is
> that
> > even though people feel a need to whine, which,
> > for the majority, is probably based in some
> denial
> > that they really don't like The Stones anymore,
> I
> > have always been surprised how good they
> actually
> > were. There's simply no need for whining.
> >
>
> thanks but I can read your arrogant bashing of
> people who just express their honest opinion here
> pretty well. an arrogance that is based on three
> shows in ten years, I see (but thats better
> compared to Baboon Bro who has not even seen one
> show so far and who comes across in a similar
> arrogant way).
>
> why I call this arrogant? well have you ever
> thought about that its possible that the three
> shows you saw in ten years were indeed quite good,
> but that surely does not mean that the shows other
> people saw and reported as "not so good" must have
> been good too? out of your "feel" and (little)
> "experience" you call other people "whiners" which
> carries the bad meaning "liars" in it. how can you
> justify that?
>
>
> > "I'm no expert, but I know what I like, hear me
> > whip the whiners just around midnight".
>
> oh and please spare us silly and infantile remarks
> like this in future, you "no expert" you.

Alimente,

Thanks for calling it like it is.



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stoneswashed77 Wrote:
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> i would like to take away a little bit of the
> maybe shocking and hard expression brain dammage.
> it doesn´t mean you need to be in bed all day,
> can´t walk, not talk, not think, not fead yourself
> or go on toilet yourself. it´s too much black and
> white.
>
> like white was being on fire and black was almost
> dead.
> there is a lot in between black and white.
>
> what some concert visitors saw is a drift to the
> black side since last year.
> and when trying to find an explaination they came
> up with the head being maybe the cause.

.... keep writing, finish up,,, your getting close..

JumpingKentFlash Wrote:
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> I've seen Hampton 1981 - To me it's boring
lol

1cdog : Arrogance can show itself in various forms.

Maybe some folks here oughtta create an own Boards
for Mutual Admiration, like a +100 show-club.

You dont know my entrances into the Stones;
I dont know yours. Please dont jump on others,
please dont step upon others in order to shine
a little light on yourselves.

My role here is Fresh Eyes. When too many people say the
same thing, influenced by the fellow-boarders, I make posts.

But as I also got a life, I gotta go now.

JumpingKentFlash Wrote:
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> LA FORUM Wrote:
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> > Yeah but it's not the fact that Taylor is
> missing.
> > They miss something and I bet it's someone to
> > compete with (for Keith). And new material etc.
>
>
> I disagree (Jesus my fingers have arthritis from
> all this typing). Keith and Ron are the perfect
> match I think. And still is.
> As soon as they release a new album we get the
> praisings. BUT, it's also slain down by the people
> who will not grasp that it's not the next Exile On
> Main Street (Even though the promotion ALWAYS say
> it is - Apparently we've got "their most
> substansial album since 1972's Exile On Main
> Street" ever since Dirty Work).


I agree in a way cause Ron and Keith HAVE had many great moments, really great (1975 being the best year, 1976 with the new material, 1978 and 1981-82 when Ron wasnt busy playing football or hanging from the cherry picker, but these days I aint heard anything close to greatness. And the Taylor years were good for the band and Keith. He had to compete with Taylor. And how great Ron and Keith may have been in 1975, as soon as you put on almost randomly a boot from the Taylor years...wow. What a team they were.

mr edward Wrote:
Take away the show, lights, screens and just listen to
> the music and you'll be dissapointed.

Not if the mix is good. The broadcast from Glasgow 2006 has an excellent mix and it rocks. I prefer it to many boots from the "years of greatness".

I just ordered Glasgow 2006, so I hope you're right!

A live show is only meant to serve one purpose: enjoy the people who paid for a ticket to be there.

So, a live show is not meant to generate bootlegged sound recordings.
It is not meant to be seen on cell phone videos by way of youtube.
It is not meant to be discussed on a note to note basis by people who were not even within a 100 mile radiance of the show.
etc.

The quality of a live show is to be judged only by those who were present by the standard if they enjoyed themselves. That's all that counts.

If you are only interested in the music and the music alone, just stick to your trusted CD-collection and those bootlegs where the boys are rising above themselves and play the devil out of their instruments. Don't waste your breath on discussing something that was not meant for people who did not pay for a ticket.

I love to read reviews from shows and I hope they are honestly presenting what was going on, so I can feel what happens, even though I did not pay the price to be present. So let's keep those reviews coming from those who were there and respect each others opinion.

thecitadel Wrote:
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>
> But his playing was great last night - no
> question.

no- it wasn't great.

it was competent and reassuring- and i clenched my fist and jumped with joy, when he nailed a solo.

..but there were also times, when he looked tired, drawn and jaded.

...he has clearly deteriorated in the past 12 months-
there were 'flashes' of the old-keith at paris...
but anyone who suggests, that there is nothing wrong,
is, i'm afraid to say, deluding themselves.

marcovandereijk Wrote:
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> A live show is only meant to serve one purpose:
> enjoy the people who paid for a ticket to be
> there.

Not anymore. If you cant afrord or just want the music you can always download it. Even if the concert event itself is great the music is still important.

@ LA Forum:

I listen to a lot of recordings too, (and enjoy it), but the point is: the artists are only having responsibilities to those who paid for a ticket.

We, listeners of bootlegged sound recordings and DVDs, are just the ones who choose to listen to those and we have no right whatsoever to complain if the boots are not listenable enough.

Adrian-L Wrote:
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> thecitadel Wrote:
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> >
> > But his playing was great last night - no
> > question.
>
> no- it wasn't great.
>
> it was competent and reassuring- and i clenched my
> fist and jumped with joy, when he nailed a solo.
>
> ..but there were also times, when he looked tired,
> drawn and jaded.
>
> ...he has clearly deteriorated in the past 12
> months-
> there were 'flashes' of the old-keith at
> paris...
> but anyone who suggests, that there is nothing
> wrong,
> is, i'm afraid to say, deluding themselves.

Only question(s) is(are): W h a t has happened?
Is it permanent?

mr edward Wrote:
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> But I can see (whether
> live or on some tape) that nowadays you really
> have to be there to appreciate the concert. Take
> away the show, lights, screens and just listen to
> the music and you'll be dissapointed.


Not true. The bootlegs I have from this tour are cool. I love listening to them.

JumpingKentFlash

Slick Wrote:
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> JumpingKentFlash Wrote:
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> > I've seen Hampton 1981 - To me it's boring
>
>
> lol


Well. It is boring to me. Much better shows have surfaced like Ladies & Gents, Voodoo In Buenos Aires, Nippon Voodoo, Chorzow 1998 and the like.

JumpingKentFlash

Baboon Bro Wrote:
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> Only question(s) is(are): W h a t has happened?
> Is it permanent?

...we'll have a clearer picture by the end of August 'bro

I've been to Werchter and Paris, again, Paris was musically top notch by Keith.

His solo songs left aside that is. On tumbling dice it was Keith that nailed the intro and Charlie who messed things up, a bit, he just missed the intro and Keith played around it until they all were back on track with Mick on the vocal. THIS IS THE GREATNESS OF THE STONES girls and boys. If you don't like this, don't go. CYHMK was absolutely mindblowing too. (+SFTD , JJF)

I saw 4 granddaddys playing like they were half their age and again I was at row fith between many young people around their twenties dancing and having the time of their lifes. Again this was a fabulous show, audience, show, music.

Baboon: I don't know what your "Entrances" are and trust me that I don't want to know. Whatever your "Entrances" are whatever that is supposed to mean -- good, great congratulations!

"arm chair quarterbacking" is what I would call folks that want to pontificate about live Stones performances that don't even attend shows.