heres mine.

1. as tears go by.
2. no expectations.
3. lady jane.
4. time waits for no one.
5. back street girl.
6. wild horses.
7. no use in crying
8. memory motel.
9. waiting on a freind.
10. anybody seen my baby.


other good ones.

angie.
already over me.
this place is empty.
laugh i nearly died.
fool to cry.
if you really want to be my freid.
till the next time you say goodbye.

1.Winter
2.Almost hear you sigh
3.Moonlight Mile
4.Play With Fire
5.Wild Horses
6.Time waits for no one
7.How Can I Stop
8.As tears go by
9.Memory Motel
10.Blood Red Wine

1. Winter
2. If you really want to be my friend
3. Almost hear you sigh
4. That's how strong my love is
5. Sittin on a fence
6. Back Street Girl
7. Love in vain
8. Sweethearts together
9. The Worst
10. I got the blues

Been Stoned since 1964 and still am!

interesting ... can we define "ballad", please?

>interesting ... can we define "ballad", please?

I had the exact same question when I saw some of the blues titles above.

thanks Glam Descendant - and i'm truly not trying to be snotty (for a change!)
the way people use terms like this genuinely intrigues me.
i know some people seem (in casual speech) to classify everything as "rockers" and "ballads";
again, not criticizing - just very curious to hear people's definitions of "ballad".



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In the 20th Century, "ballad" took on the meaning of a popular song "especially of a romantic or sentimental nature" (American Heritage Dictionary). In other words, just because Sister Morphine doesn't rock, that don't make it a ballad. Ten great "real" 20th century ballads by the Stones (there aren't that many).

Wild Horses
Winter
Memory Motel
As Tears Go By
Angie
Thru and Thru
Ruby Tuesday
Till the Next Goodbye
Fool to Cry
Streets of Love

thanks drbryant - i take it the dictionary means "popular" in the sense of "non-classical"?
if you don't mind ... are ballads always slow, in your personal definition/usage?
looking at your list, it seems a strong acoustic element is "frequent but not required"?

(for the record, my Oxford dictionary gives the "casual-use" definition as "a slow sentimental or romantic song"
but i'm more interested in the ways people use it than what dictionaries say)



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Sway
Winter
Moonlight Mile
All About You
Streets Of LOve
Wild Horses
Out Of Tears
Tops
No Expectations
Coming Down Again

Thanks for starting this thread, I'll go and primt myself a cd with this list, good ideea

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> interesting ... can we define "ballad", please?

We had the same discussion a few years back, Sssoul, but BV has hidden that part of IORR's history somewhere in his basement...

from grovemusic.com

"(from Lat. ballare: ‘to dance’).
Term used for a short popular song that may contain a narrative element. Scholars take it to signify a relatively concise composition known throughout Europe since the late Middle Ages: it combines narrative, dramatic dialogue and lyrical passages in stanzaic form sung to a rounded tune, and often includes a recurrent refrain."

In this classical sense even The Under-Assistent West Coast Promotion Man and Sympathy for the Devil could be a ballads (SftD: "The Ballad of the Devil").

"In the 19th century ‘ballad’ came to denote a sentimental song cultivated by the middle classes in Britain and North America, while in 20th-century popular culture it has come to refer to a slow, personalized love song or one, such as the ‘blues ballad’ in North America, in which the narrative element is slender and subordinated to a lyrical mood."

That would make Angie a typical ballad and No Expectations a typical blues ballad. IMO this is pretty much how we use the term today. But hey, it's only terminology!

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The Worst
Sleep Tonight
If You Really Want To Be My Friend
Wild Horses
Fool To Cry
Just My Imagination
Always Suffering
Shine A Light
Through The Lonely Nights
Worried About You

I think I've bust a button on my trousers....

Sister Morphine
Angie
Memory Motel
Love in Vain
Fool to Cry
Ruby Tuesday
Lady Jane
The Worst
Wild Horses
Losing My Touch

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> Sister Morphine
> Angie
> Memory Motel
> Love in Vain
> Fool to Cry
> Ruby Tuesday
> Lady Jane
> The Worst
> Wild Horses
> Losing My Touch


But there are at least 20-30 more great Stones` ballad, right now I can think of

As Tears Go By
Time Is on My Side
Tell Me
No Expectatons
Already Over Me
New Faces
Streets of Love
Laugh, I Nearly Died
Coming Down Again
Slipping Away
Waiting On a Friend
Salt of the Earth
Some Girls
Faraway Eyes
Shine a Light
Sweet Virginia
This Place Is Empty
Heart of Stone
Play with Fire
Indian Girl

and so on



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A definition? Well, use this one:

Under the board walk

They didn't write it (but that goes for some of the above mentioned as well...)

1. Moonlight Mile
2. Winter
3. Memory Motel
4. Angie
5. How Can I Stop
6. Long Long While
7. You Got The Silver
8. Wild Horses
9. Out Of Tears
10.Biggest Mistake

Dobril Wrote:
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> Some Girls

not a ballad


> > Losing My Touch

not a GOOD ballad.

*and i'm just like that bird - singing just for you*

i'll take mick jagger's definition of ballad 4 songs into the set (MSG 2003)
"and now we'll slow it down a little bit for you...something slow and romantic..."

he then went into Angie...

i dont think that with the stones you get something like a "pure" ballad where pure means "strictly popular" or "pop" or unaffected by say blues or soul or even gospel so

that given my list by heart is

Wild horses
Shine a light
Loving cup
That's how strong my love is
Worried about you
All about you
Lady jane
Tell me
I got the blues
Laugh i nearly died

Let it loose
Winter
Wild Horses
Memory Motel
Beast of Burden
All about you
Worried about you
Ruby Tuesday
Loosing my touch
I`ve Got the Blues

waiting on a friend
Time waits for no one
memory motel
winter
wild horses
coming down again
as tears go by
let it loose
if you really want to be my friend
angie

>> i dont think that with the stones you get something like a "pure" ballad
where pure means "strictly popular" or "pop" or unaffected by say blues or soul <<

well, but blues and soul fall into the broad category of "popular" as opposed to "classical" -
and yeah it's only terminology, but one can be intrigued by the ways people use it anyway.
i suppose if i heard the term "pure ballad" i'd think it meant something like Greg's first definition:
a folk-type tune with a narrative lyric, which are definitely scarce in the Stones' body of work. FarAway Eyes?

>> not a ballad <<

okay if we're going to get specific ... for me Sitting on a Fence isn't a ballad -
not to pick on anyone's choices/definitions (i love the number!),
but i find it real interesting that someone would use the term "ballad" this way.

1. Wild Horses
2. Play With Fire
3. Heart of Stone
4. Memory Motel
5. Beast of Burden
6. Moonlight Mile
7. Torn & Frayed
8. Already Over Me
9. Almost Hear You Sigh
10. Out of Tears

"make up your mind, 'cause I gotta go"

So is Loving Cup a ballad? Maumau is the only one to mention it so far.

What do the ballad police say - yes or no?

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> So is Loving Cup a ballad? Maumau is the only one
> to mention it so far.
>
> What do the ballad police say - yes or no?


of course no; its a mid-tempo rocker. and a great one at that!

*and i'm just like that bird - singing just for you*

No Expectations
Love In Vain
Wild Horses
Let It Loose
Shine A Light
Time Waits For No One
Waiting On A Friend
Almost Hear You Sigh
Thru And Thru
Laugh, I Nearly Died

Laugh I Nearly DIed....a ballad? hmmm

some people around these parts think that anything that isnt Rip This Joint is a ballad . . .
Sway??

Street of Love - a GOOD ballad?

*and i'm just like that bird - singing just for you*

1. Wild Horses
2. Worried About You
3. Slipping Away
4. Almost Hear You Sight
5. Shine A Light
6. Memory Motel
7. Ruby Tuesday
8. You Got The Silver
9. Streets Of Love
10. As Tears Go By

Erik_Snow Wrote:
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> Laugh I Nearly DIed....a ballad? hmmm

Isn't it a soul ballad?

Pokalheld Wrote:
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> Erik_Snow Wrote:
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> > Laugh I Nearly DIed....a ballad? hmmm
>
> Isn't it a soul ballad?


I wouldn't call it neither ballad nor soul, I must say. Right now, I can't find the description I'm looking for either....so I'll have to leave it with a "hmmmmm"

i wouldn't call LIND a ballad either (or soul) - not because i'm trying to be "ballad police",
just because my own definition of "ballad" doesn't stretch that far.
it doesn't stretch to Play With Fire either, but ... have some popcorn, everybody - i'm fascinated



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