...finally cirrhosis...I feel like I really was there....

"Stones gig sparks 50km tailback"

[news.bbc.co.uk]

What would that have been like if they had play to a sell-out crowd, I wonder?

Lee

the rs.com video of It's All Over Now is a HUGE RELIEF. Watching it after reading something like 100 posts of whinning, complaining, shitting and everything...what a relief. What a BEAUTIFUL done song. I mean - SHIT ! Listen to the guitars work. And I don't really remember Mick being so CALM on stage for years - I'm talking about this song only of course. Let me guess, because he has such a great band working in the background?

I remember reading a huge load of negativity after Vienna show on this baord. I was at this show and I know whayt I've heard. It made me realize how far from reality some opinions can be.

Hi texas fan,

I wasn't talking about how difficult it might be to play. Good technique need not be,by definition, difficult.

You need to listen to it first. It sounds dire to me. Quite clueless and (which is worse) soul-less, (since this should be, imo, the most soulful part of the song). And besides which, you've had a very good sax solo, a nice harp break. The song is building, (and Keith is not spoiling it), and now you are heading for the climax............... oh no you're not!

His technique, if you can call it that, was just a mess of seemingly random slurs and bends and, imo, the result was cacophonous. If the high distortion effects had not been used, then it would have been obvious that it was real garbage. As it was, the distortion effects are able to blur everything into some sort of tonal unity - and that is their 'merit'.

I would prefer a poor Keith solo. At least he does not hide his deficincies behind fuzzy noise pedals/knobs. (I wish he'd played some rhythm on Wanna Hold You but at least his solo bit (not great) was clean - not 'hiding').

PiotrRSpl Wrote:
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> the rs.com video of It's All Over Now is a HUGE
> RELIEF. Watching it after reading something like
> 100 posts of whinning, complaining, shitting and
> everything...what a relief. What a BEAUTIFUL done
> song. I mean - SHIT ! Listen to the guitars work.
> And I don't really remember Mick being so CALM on
> stage for years - I'm talking about this song only
> of course. Let me guess, because he has such a
> great band working in the background?
>
> I remember reading a huge load of negativity after
> Vienna show on this baord. I was at this show and
> I know whayt I've heard. It made me realize how
> far from reality some opinions can be.


Piotr, you´re joking , right?
Keiths playing on this song is the worst I ever heard. No, I was´nt there, I just watched it on rs.com. Check it out for yourselves, and see what you think.
I hope he gets into shape real soon. As much as I love them, I can´t defend this.

Vilhelm
Nordic Stones Vikings

mickijaggeroo Wrote:
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> PiotrRSpl Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > the rs.com video of It's All Over Now is a HUGE
> > RELIEF. Watching it after reading something
> like
> > 100 posts of whinning, complaining, shitting
> and
> > everything...what a relief. What a BEAUTIFUL
> done
> > song. I mean - SHIT ! Listen to the guitars
> work.
> > And I don't really remember Mick being so CALM
> on
> > stage for years - I'm talking about this song
> only
> > of course. Let me guess, because he has such a
> > great band working in the background?
> >
> > I remember reading a huge load of negativity
> after
> > Vienna show on this baord. I was at this show
> and
> > I know whayt I've heard. It made me realize how
> > far from reality some opinions can be.
>
>
> Piotr, you´re joking , right?
> Keiths playing on this song is the worst I ever
> heard. No, I was´nt there, I just watched it on
> rs.com. Check it out for yourselves, and see what
> you think.
> I hope he gets into shape real soon. As much as I
> love them, I can´t defend this.


Sad to say but i have to agree Vilhelm Sad sad sad.....

everyone is, of course, entitled to his/her opinion and you can criticize all you want, but I think a live concert is to be experienced in that moment - like good sex - you just don't go and analyze it minute by minute by watching a video afterwards !

All that counts is whether or not you enjoyed the show - I did !

> Piotr, you´re joking , right?
> Keiths playing on this song is the worst I ever
> heard. No, I was´nt there, I just watched it on
> rs.com. Check it out for yourselves, and see what
> you think.
> I hope he gets into shape real soon. As much as I
> love them, I can´t defend this.


I'm with Piotr. I think Keith is playing really fine here. I like his bluesy licks and sure as hell he seems in good shape in this video on RS.com. Only minor point is that Ronnie is to low in the mix (again).

Liked Ronnies remark to Jagger when they enter the stage too.

I've seen a lot of videos on youtube (what else can a poor boy do if he didn't see the real thing?) and must say that all the negativity is far from what is to be seen on those videos. There is something odd going on during Satisfaction I think and Keith mumbling thru Wanna Hold you is not something to get wild about, but over all I've seen more great moments than lesser ones.

Even if Ron & Keith just stood on the stage without playing a note I´m sure there are some people who will say it was great. I have seen Stones clips on youtube with great sound and shitty playing and then you read some comments that goes fantastic! and great! and you wonder who they are trying to cheat.

keiths solo on Wanna Hold is a joke he is stuck in the ANGULAR penatonic box and no where to go but play the same damm thing.

play that guitar boy.

Well, what is shitty playing actually? In my humble opinion Keith's licks on It's all over now seem rather accurate. If you'd say sloppy, well I'd might agree, but no way this is what I would consider shitty playing.

And after reading numerous reports and seeing the same videos on youtube, I come to the conclusion that there were some people who did not enjoy the full show, maybe because they've seen so many shows before and know how sharp the boys can be. But I also come to the conclusion that many people have been enjoying themselves to the full. And that's what counts, doesn't it?

shitty playing is watching the glmmers play bum notes and muted rhythms.

play that guitar boy

Go to a gig Openg.........

you can watch on you tube and listen to the magic disappear before your EYES.

albett, I think it would be better if they all went on stage without the backup
players with their grey hair or no hair dress like 60 year old people do. It would be more real and not a cartoon .

play that guitar boy

What planet are you on?
This is the stones not Asia or Steely Dan!!
Part of the Stones has been the spectacle!! Remember the glitter etc. even in the fabled 'golden era'????
Your very keen to dig at the stones but haven't been to a gig in eons. Keith always had 'off' days so let the tour progress and stop being so blinkered!

Albett, yes 1972 was glitter with Truman Captoe and all the BEAUTUFUL PEOPLE with the stones touring party but they had the vibrato and the whole band rocked. The music came first and the glitter came along for the ride.

Listen to Steely Dan they will set you free from the 3 chord wonders.

ablett Wrote:
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> Go to a gig Openg.........


I´ve done that, didn´t help much. The sloppy notes remained, only louder. Don´t you think that the guitars are essential in the Stones? If they don´t work the band doesn´t work as it should. A pity it´s the axmen who has "off" days.

Steely Dan? I'd rather chew my own wrist off!!

Better still, go on Itunes and download the history of Trojan, roll a fat one and give that Vibrato a break.....

Ablett - have a cold one and great weekend

Svartmer - great point the stones sound has always been the sound of the two guitars starting the BJ and Keith and if the guitars are off or can,t run the engine live anymore then why bother.

play that guitar boy.

Don't judge a whole tour on one gig filmed on a mobile phone!!!

The gigs I went to last year were probably the best I've seen by the stones (twicks especially)

It aint 1972, that was a long, long time ago, so don't be so eager to critise ALL the time....

Albett, Is not being negative I am being honest the stones have not sounded better then 1969,1972,1973 and thats real sad . Even Jagger admits that in interviews is with Taylor they were at their peak. As a stones fan I wish they would of achieved higher levels playing live and making quality records after the golden period.

play that guitar boy.

Some would say that the 78/81 was also a peak? I can't name one band still going today thats any better than at their live peak of the early 70's? And it has been over thirty years since MT left now.

After watching youtube
i like the stage without all those people up there

PiotrRSpl Wrote:
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> the rs.com video of It's All Over Now is a HUGE
> RELIEF. Watching it after reading something like
> 100 posts of whinning, complaining, shitting and
> everything...what a relief. What a BEAUTIFUL done
> song. I mean - SHIT ! Listen to the guitars work.
> And I don't really remember Mick being so CALM on
> stage for years - I'm talking about this song only
> of course. Let me guess, because he has such a
> great band working in the background?
>
> I remember reading a huge load of negativity after
> Vienna show on this baord. I was at this show and
> I know whayt I've heard. It made me realize how
> far from reality some opinions can be.


Actually I think that attitude is what will be the end of the band. Fans werent this positive in the 70s. They need criticism and not fans who love everything they do. Yes-men and fans who praise every step they take.

Eh, thats about the only positive one on the board????

No everyones a yes man but on the other hand not eveyone is stuck in the 70's....

....well I'm not a musician, but I do know what sounds good and what doesn't and that guitar solo on "Wanna Hold You" was, well, not pleasing to my ear, not at all.....maybe it was just a poor quality recording, I wasn't there in person so I know my opinion really should not matter.....just saying....

Brown Sugar is the worst I think....

Onwards and upwards!

orange cow Wrote:
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> After watching youtube
> i like the stage without all those people up there


LOL

Lukester Wrote:
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> maybe it was just a poor
> quality recording,

Poor quality recording can distort SOUND of a solo. It can't distort actaul notes that solo consists of.

It was a coplete wrack. Not only the notes were totaly... stupid, the solo itself was in the wrong part of the song, ie, it started too soon...

Stop making excuses for Keef. He was really bad. However, we have still to see wether this is one time disaster... I hope it is...

I predict that he is going to be his old self from now on, he will porabaly be in excellent shape tonight - Werchter was so bad that other Stones member definitely noticed it, and we do kow that someone in their camp reads forums and boards... Some will have to confront him about his current shape and have a little chit chat about it. This is not '98, this is 2007 and bootleg audio and video recording show up all over the place in just couple of hours after gig ends...

He will have to do something about it.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2007-06-08 18:14 by vedran.

ablett Wrote:
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> Some would say that the 78/81 was also a peak? I
> can't name one band still going today thats any
> better than at their live peak of the early 70's?
> And it has been over thirty years since MT left
> now.

where are the guitars today ? gone for a long time
Just listening to "when the whip" on my new amplifier : licks, interaction between KR and RW, like during the 78/82 period.

Nowaday MJ and CW hold the band, thank god... but guitars are gone.

Keith can be out one night, he can. he made so much.

I saw The Who 2 nights ago. WHat a pleasure to listen to a great guitarist able to play as he used to do..

For sure not easy. Clapton himself said recently he was no more in shape to stand the distance.