If you don't like what the Stones play live today then you have seen too many shows and you can't kick a habit. Just admit it, you don't like them anymore. This is the band. This is what they play. If you don't like it then don't go to the show. What is the problem?

Bjornulf

I didn't think you'd get my point anyway Nikkibong. This post was meant for people who have a higher undersanding of the argument in hand and not people who are mentally and literally challenged individuals such as yourself.

JumpingKentFlash

bv Wrote:
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> If you don't like what the Stones play live today
> then you have seen too many shows and you can't
> kick a habit. Just admit it, you don't like them
> anymore. This is the band. This is what they play.
> If you don't like it then don't go to the show.
> What is the problem?


I agree 100%. And with this I'd like to add that I fully respect someone like Hound Dog who said he'd go to no more shows. That's good. The man is true to himself. It doesn't mean that he isn't a fan, but maybe he's just not a fan of the live shows from today. That's OK. I just don't agree, and I know he'd respect that too. To me, THAT's a fan.

JumpingKentFlash

JumpingKentFlash Wrote:
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> I didn't think you'd get my point anyway
> Nikkibong. This post was meant for people who have
> a higher undersanding of the argument in hand and
> not people who are mentally and literally
> challenged individuals such as yourself.


sorry, kent, i was clearly overwhelmed by the complexity of your argument. so run it by me again: you don't go to concerts for the music. what am i missing here? some sort of compelex kenatimical formula?

In a nutshell: I go for the music. But I go to have the music rock me out. I don't go to shows for the setlists or to listen very closesly to what is played. In the Hyde park DVD Jagger says that people just want to be entertained like, can't remember exactly, the seesaw shows at Scarborough. "They don't wanna put anything into it" he says. That line can be trailed up to today. Most fans don't wanna put anything into it and then we get the boring setlist whining etc.

JumpingKentFlash

There's sure something theoretical or abstract in arguing that a setlist is good or bad. Because live music is not a setlist. Also to go "just for the music" to a rock concert in a stadium, from my experience, is to go for delusion because of many factors as sound, crowd etc. If you go for the music - that is to taste the skills of musicians and the nuances of the musical performance - you probably want to go to a smaller venue.
On the other hand, how a band build its own show, including the setlist, the mix between new and old numbers, known or less known songs is certainly an element - if not the only one or the most important - by which to judge the attraction. In fact we all were pretty much happy about theatre setlists during the licks tour, and why were we?.

I don't think it's delusional to go for the music (BTW: I fi you say "just" it sounds like you're thinking less of the music). Granted: If I were at a concert and they were to start Hand Of Fate, but Keith does SMU, Ronnie does RJ, Mick sings IORR and Charlie does't play at all, that would of course ruin some of the experience. I like stadium concerts and I never heard one wih bad sound. The Danish crowd has been dull for a long time, but I don't care as long as I'm having a good time. Lemme ask you: Do you like JJF? Probably yes. But they shouldn't play it??? Of course some might say that they like it but they heard it too mny times. But I really can't for the lif of me see why the Stones should give a rats ass what people have heard or haven' heard. I wouldn't either.

JumpingKentFlash

JumpingKentFlash Wrote:
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I like stadium concerts and I never heard one with bad sound.

wow- in that case you are very lucky.
how many have you been to?

Got the gloves on today JKF!!! Go get em! With you all the way......

Well I've seen Macca in 2 different stadiums. R.E.M. in a stadium. Stones twice in Parken Stadum (Copenhagen). Never saw a dull one. Oh and David Bowie also.


Thanks for the support ablett. :-)

JumpingKentFlash

You wanna see if you can grab The Who if they tour near you.....

I will. The Two is maybe the top band I've never seen. I'd love to see them, but The Pedophile and Trousers won't come to Denmark. :-(

JumpingKentFlash

but The Pedophile and Trousers won't come to Denmark".......?????

i was not as lucky as you were JKF, i did attend some good concerts soundwise in stadiums but i got one bad u2, one bad bowie and an awful Antony and the jonsons. This last one is telling because he makes gorgeous music that is completely out of place in a stadium. Stones instead play great stadium rock music. Maybe I was a little obscure but i did have a beautiful time in Milan last week (but the sound was awful where i stood) and I do love SMU, JJF and Satisfaction. Actually I did not hear them very much it was more the feel. For example I can't exactly tell you how ronnie was on this or charlie on that because i was having a ball. This is what I mean when i say not for the music as technical performance. 3 years ago in paris in a smaller venue was quite different and i remember very well the rendition of, let's say, Love in vain, ronnie's slide, mick prowl, etc.
About the rats ass stones should give about setlists, it is pretty clear that they give some - see different setlists in US cities they went twice. It is just that they give them in their own way. It's ok for me (3 concerts in my life) but i understand if someone just decide not to go because he/she has got enough of JJF.
If I were them, instead of playing 10 warhorses per night, I would play 14 but spread onto 2 shows.

Kinda of funny.....I was at the Ottawa show last year and the stone splayed....shattered...out of control....back of my hand....and Beast of Burden....all songs mentioned above....Ottawa was the 4th show into the tour and people were bitching about the Ottawa set list...but not me....it was great!

There's concerts and there's Stones concerts.
The thing is, that for lots of folks who hang around here, a Stones show is more akin to a religious pilgrimage or an audience with the Pope than it is to a music gig.
Fact is, that if you're one of those folks, you aren't going to be overly critical of setlists or technical performances so long as the vibe is right.

The Stones still also have "something" that NO other band has. The number of folk who claim to hate this band...until they're persuaded to see them live [at which point they're staggered and converted] is testament to that.

bv Wrote:
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> If you don't like what the Stones play live today
> then you have seen too many shows and you can't
> kick a habit. Just admit it, you don't like them
> anymore. This is the band. This is what they play.
> If you don't like it then don't go to the show.
> What is the problem?


How can you tell me or say that I don't like the Stones anymore because I was very dissappointed in a few shows I went to. Your statements are always praising the Stones and not saying anything but comments like the one above everytime a person has an educated opinion about their honest feelings about the Stones. Unless someone is praising them. My sometimes critical, yet honest reviews of shows I went to that didn't saying anything too bad (just honest) you won't post. I guess only the 100% positive ones will always get posted. Maybe I should just kiss arse and say I hope they play You Got Me Rocking every show and continue to irgnore their big 60s hits or post Tattoo You stuff. Or every show was so great. I love this board but am starting to think I should spend my time else where.

Spud Wrote:
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so long as the vibe is
> right.
>
> The Stones still also have "something" that NO
> other band has. The number of folk who claim to
> hate this band...until they're persuaded to see
> them live is testament to that.

quite right

bv Wrote:
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> If you don't like what the Stones play live today
> then you have seen too many shows and you can't
> kick a habit. Just admit it, you don't like them
> anymore. This is the band. This is what they play.
> If you don't like it then don't go to the show.
> What is the problem?

The problem is I like the band but don't like the setlist. Capiche?

Perhaps instead of saying "if you don't like the setlists nowadays, don't go to the concerts", you could say
"if you don't wanna hear any different views about the Rolling Stones, don't go to the IORR forum"

J-J-Flash Wrote:
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> The four shows I
> went to see my only real surprise besides the 3
> new songs was Shes So Cold and Nighttime.

sway? as tears go by? and its been 4 new songs, and lately five in one show.

Erik_Snow Wrote:
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> Perhaps instead of saying "if you don't like the
> setlists nowadays, don't go to the concerts", you
> could say
> "if you don't wanna hear any different views about
> the Rolling Stones, don't go to the IORR forum"


Well said, Erik!!

bv Wrote:
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> If you don't like what the Stones play live today
> then you have seen too many shows and you can't
> kick a habit. Just admit it, you don't like them
> anymore. This is the band. This is what they play.
> If you don't like it then don't go to the show.
> What is the problem?

As others have pointed out, it is possible to like the band and still wish they would play something different. I agree that if someone doesn't like what they're playing they shouldn't go to a show. Personally I'm not going to another show unless they change the setlist.

So why do I still complain about the setlist and discuss it? Because if enough people complained/didn't go to shows they would change the setlist and then me and a lot of other people would be happy and eager to see them again, that's why.

"So why do I still complain about the setlist and discuss it? Because if enough people complained/didn't go to shows they would change the setlist and then me and a lot of other people would be happy and eager to see them again, that's why."

You nailed it, but I really don't think the Stones care enough about their fans..

"sway? as tears go by? and its been 4 new songs, and lately five in one show."

ryanpow..

Yeah they have played those songs during the tour but I didn't hear any of them. I am not going to go to 10 shows to hopefully catch them play one rarity. Past tours the rare song was a staple in the show's set list, which was great. 2,000 Light Years in 89/90. Not Fade Away, Monkey Man is 94. You get the point...
Like I said the only real surprises when I saw them was She's So Cold and the cover song they did. Besides that the only thing different from the Licks show I went to was the three new songs they did. Which I enjoyed.

Since the B2B-Tour it's always the same: On the first leg of the tour - USA - they play interesting sets and how longer the tour goes: They play less songs and pearls get almost kicked out for songs like Paint It Black, IORR, ...

For me it's okay, when they play a killer at the start und five or six warhorses at the end of the show. But why not a bunch of new or rare songs? Remind the great Voodoo Lounge tour - in my opinion a great mix of their outstanding back-catalogue and new songs. Even in stadium concerts we got in each show four or five pearls like Sweet Virginia, Shine A light, Monkey Man, It's All Over Now, Heartbreaker or Let It Bleed plus some songs from Voodoo Lounge. And - till now, this was their most successful tour!

J-J-Flash Wrote:
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> ohnonotyouagain Wrote:
>"So why do I still complain about the setlist and
> discuss it? Because if enough people
> complained/didn't go to shows they would change
> the setlist and then me and a lot of other people
> would be happy and eager to see them again, that's
> why."
>
> You nailed it, but I really don't think the Stones
> care enough about their fans..

I think their rationale is that as long as they are selling out or close to it, that means enough people like what they're playing and there is no reason to change. So the only way to get their attention is to stop going to concerts until they change the setlist. I guarantee if they could only sell out half a stadium and thought changing the setlist would sell out the other half, the setlist would change real quick.

scaffer Wrote:
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> 'Theif':
>
> Ever check out their setlists from the '60's?
>
> ... '70's??
>
> ... ... '80's???
>
> Mick sang on stage in Italian last week for the
> first time in a millenium.
>
> In the mid-1970's, your Setlist Hater grandparents
> criticized the Stones for playing 'only' 4 new
> songs from ... Goats' Head Soup!
>
> If you can't do the math ... don't buy the
> tickets, bebé.


I have seen the set lists from the '60's,'70's,and '80's.While they weren't perfect,they were different from each other - no math problems here and I'm buying tickets to at least one show in the fall.Hopefully,I'll be able to enjoy more than two songs without deja vu setting in.The best scenario would involve them rotating many rare songs and perhaps playing some club shows to go along with the shows in stadiums/arenas.If that's the case,I'll buy even more tickets.That doesn't seem likely at this point,however.

Stop being a total see-out and play for the connaisseurs
& genuine musiclovers: I curse myself that I jumped on the train
a f t e r Licks tour...

the setlists are perfect on the abb tour
in a stadium maybe 1 of 1000 people knows stones songs beside
the warhorses and i dont wanna attend a show of the stones
where people go home because they dont know any songs
this complaining on the setlists is totally boring and useless
because since 1981 the stones always play best of shows
so i wonder why all of you are so surprised they play those
big hits

are you nuts or what?

You're right.There are only 25 people left on the planet who have heard or know any non-warhorses.