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Re: Are you afraid this is the last Stones tour?
Posted by: JumpingKentFlash ()
Date: June 27, 2006 14:16

Hound Dog Wrote:
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> I am also a set list whiner and part of the same
> association as Gazza, but it is only because I
> love my band. I can't tell you how let down I was
> at Fenway and Hartford to see them play almost
> identical set lists not only as the night before
> but as last tour when I saw them in the same
> cities. They gave the impression that they are
> only playing what is easy and don't care about
> giving the fans something different. I will always
> have a good time at their shows but this tour was
> the first time I was ever dissappointed in one of
> their shows.
>
> I can't fault someone for getting hurt like Keith
> did, yeah maybe he should be more careful with
> himself and the reschuling of dates could have
> been better, but I am not even sure who can be
> blamed for that. However my feeling about the
> Stones and their shows came before this happened,
> it came at the start of the tour when I realized
> it was another stadium greatest hits tour. So many
> newspapers in various cities said they were good,
> but each one seemed to mention something about the
> same run through of songs. I can't think of
> another band that keeps everything the same when
> it comes to their shows. I thought they learned
> from the Licks tour that fans loved hearing some
> different songs.


As always, Dale has good things to say although I don't agree. I knew right at the start of the Licks tour that it was gonna be great and something special, but at the same time I feared for the fans' look at the whole touring thing in the future. So Licks was, artistically, very special and a good idea. Fan-wise they were digging themselves down in a hole though. Of course every fan would think that the future tours would be like that (Ever changing setlists). The Stones have had setlsits that look and feel the same for every tour (Almost). Licks was special on that point. This tour isn't. I can't see how it's bad that they do it like they did before Licks. Funnily enough, the best concert I saw them do was the Licks in Copenhagen. And that was VERY warhorse-ish. But still a good point as always Dale. I can see why you agree with Gaz, and it is a valid point of view. I just don't agree because of the reasons stated above.

JumpingKentFlash

Re: Are you afraid this is the last Stones tour?
Posted by: Tekumseh ()
Date: June 27, 2006 16:01

I believe it's their last world tour. And yes, it could be their last tour at all, but then maybe we'll have solo tours with Mick and maybe Keith too.

There will be more rock'n roll during the next ten years, I'm sure of that.

Re: Are you afraid this is the last Stones tour?
Posted by: Gazza ()
Date: June 27, 2006 17:03

JumpingKentFlash Wrote:
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>>
> As always, Dale has good things to say although I
> don't agree. I knew right at the start of the
> Licks tour that it was gonna be great and
> something special, but at the same time I feared
> for the fans' look at the whole touring thing in
> the future. So Licks was, artistically, very
> special and a good idea.

The weird thing with Licks was that when they announced it, I thought the idea of touring behind a greatest hits album was appalling - as theyd always vowed never to be a nostalgia act. I was happy to be proved wrong - despite the lack of new material (1 song), they more than made up for it with a brilliant concept (if you were lucky enough - as I was - to see three types of shows in one city in the same week) and to their credit dug deeper than ever before into their rich catalogue of material, giving us even more surprises and never/rarely played gems than ever before.

I can see where youre coming from with future expectations about setlist variety and them playing non-hits. the attitude that Dale has (and myself and others) is that if they raised the bar and showed what they were capable of, its reasonable to expect them to try and maintain that level. I'm not expecting them to succeed necessarily, but making the effort is what counts. That doesnt mean ridiculous expectations such as demanding they play old b-sides at stadium shows or anything, but some middle ground would be nice. When Dale went to those Fenway shows in August, they changed one song around from one night to the next and played only one old Stones song that hadnt been played regularly (or to death) on recent tours - ie, Shes So Cold. Compare that to opening shows on previous tours and theres a significant difference.

Fan-wise they were
> digging themselves down in a hole though. Of
> course every fan would think that the future tours
> would be like that (Ever changing setlists).

I dont think its as black and white as that. I could handle reasonably static setlists if the content wasnt almost exclusively made up of the SAME songs from 40 Licks. Its as if the Stones didnt exist prior to that album coming out. They could however even do a greatest hits show using a variation of 12-15 out of a selection of 30 plus hits that EVERYONE knows and I'd be content enough with that. (I made a post on this sometime ago showing how easy to do it is...[www.iorr.org] ) No problem with them playing a greatest hits dominated set especially in a huge stadium - but if they must do that, then theres enough of those songs that most people recognise and which they can play competently to allow them to change it around.


The
> Stones have had setlsits that look and feel the
> same for every tour (Almost). Licks was special on
> that point. This tour isn't.

every tour should (and has been, up to now ) 'special' in its own way


I can't see how it's
> bad that they do it like they did before Licks.

There was quite a lot of variety on BTB/No Security and (to a lesser degree) on Voodoo Lounge. With each successive tour up to and including Licks, theyve varied the show more.

> Funnily enough, the best concert I saw them do was
> the Licks in Copenhagen. And that was VERY
> warhorse-ish.

what other shows are you comparing it to? Ive seen a few 'warhorse' stadium shows on the last couple of tours (especially Licks) that were as good as any I've ever seen.. Twickenham #1 (being 10th row at the catwalk helped..lol) and also Anaheim 2002 - a show which was the best stadium show I've ever seen the Stones play, even though I was up in the 500's with a nosebleed. Stadium shows/warhorse shows dont always necessarily mean boring..!

But still a good point as always
> Dale. I can see why you agree with Gaz, and it is
> a valid point of view. I just don't agree because
> of the reasons stated above.

Re: Are you afraid this is the last Stones tour?
Posted by: Hound Dog ()
Date: June 27, 2006 17:26

Gazza sums it up pretty good. One thing I'll mention is that with each new tour over the years, the Stones always managed to play maybe 5 or 6 new songs, than a few others from more recent albums that they never did (i.e. Harlem Shuffle in 89, Let Me Go in 81, Fingerprint File in 75 and so on). And then a surprise or two (2000 Light Years in 89, Can't You Hear Me in 2002, Sister Morphine in 97) or opening with Not Fade Away in 94/95. So right there you'd get a good 10 songs at least that were cool to hear each night, even if they kept the set list identical...

This tour there was nothing like that at all. Yes they played Sway and As Tears Go By but only here and there, they were not staples in the set list. What I felt like we basically got when the tour started was a best of the greatest hits that they have been playing from 89 to 2002. With a little effort they can create one set list that mixes things around and keep it and it would be a much cooler show...

Re: Are you afraid this is the last Stones tour?
Posted by: Hound Dog ()
Date: June 27, 2006 17:34

Here I just pulled this together off the top of my head based on what songs they have played this tour. They can keep this as a standard set list and I think hardcore fans and common fans would be pleased. We have new songs, some rare ones, some they never did before and some hits that everyone would know.. Its ok for them not to play Start Me Up, Miss You and YGMR all the time..

Gimme Shelter
Lets Spend the Night Together
Sway
ONNYA
She’s So Cold
Rough Justice
Back of my Hand
Midnight Rambler
As Tears Go By
Rain Fall Down
Mr. Pitiful or whatever cover they feel like playing
The Worst
This Place Is Empty
19th Nervous Breakdown or Get Off my Cloud, b-stage
Love Is Strong, b-stage
Dead Flowers, b-stage
Brown Sugar
Satisfaction
Out of Control - encore
Jumpin Jack Flash - encore

Re: Are you afraid this is the last Stones tour?
Posted by: Roscoe ()
Date: June 27, 2006 19:30

Vegas is total unadulterated crap!. Now Broadway, that's a different story. Broadway is class and I think it would be a fine place for the Stones to camp out for a couple of weeks a year. Jerry Garcia did two weeks in a Broadway theater back in the late 80's. And Mott played Broadway way back in the mid-70's, though only for a few nights. Plus, NYC is much more convenient for Europeans than friggin' Vegas. Of course, the Stones could also do a similar residency in London as well.

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