In the interviews with the band someone else posted earlier (http://www.zdf.de/ZDFmediathek/inhalt/20/0,4070,3918836-6-rv_modem,00.html) I thought it was very interesting that when Mick was asked about Sweet Neo Con and how it was such a direct and pointed political song, he mentioned that he wrote a more subtle political song about the Abu Ghraib prison scandal and nobody noticed.

I have to admit I never listened closely enough to the lyrics to Dangerous Beauty, don't know how I missed the true nature of the song. It's pretty clear he's talking about Pfc. Lynndie England and that whole scandal, i've heard the song a ton of times, not sure how I missed it, always thought it was just about some S&M chick.

not to too my own horn, but i knew that from the start.

the song itself is far from a 'beauty' . . .

Jimmy C Wrote:
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> In the interviews with the band someone else
> posted earlier
> (http://www.zdf.de/ZDFmediathek/inhalt/20/0,4070,3
> 918836-6-rv_modem,00.html) I thought it was very
> interesting that when Mick was asked about Sweet
> Neo Con and how it was such a direct and pointed
> political song, he mentioned that he wrote a more
> subtle political song about the Abu Ghraib prison
> scandal and nobody noticed.
>
> I have to admit I never listened closely enough to
> the lyrics to Dangerous Beauty, don't know how I
> missed the true nature of the song. It's pretty
> clear he's talking about Pfc. Lynndie England and
> that whole scandal, i've heard the song a ton of
> times, not sure how I missed it, always thought it
> was just about some S&M chick.


The reason you missed it is because Lyndie Englund is an ugly bitch.

I like it, very good lyrics, I always have that picture in mind
where this bitch had that man on the leash.

Keuth´s solo is great, reminds of B.B. King.

nikkibong Wrote:
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> not to too my own horn, but i knew that from the
> start.
>
> the song itself is far from a 'beauty' . . .


the song is a fúcking corker and very funny. Lyndie is neither, however.

Sorry, Jimmy, but you're a little late on this one.

I think this may have been discussed around the time of ABB's release.

Very good hardrock with real thoughts.About this situation wich is shamefull.

'Ugly Bitch' is no way to describe a woman, even her. How good looking are you Nikolai??

Agree that it was shameful, but it's likewise shameful to blame PFC England. This is a cheap shot by Mick, and lots of others, to pick on this girl. I don't think she dreamed-up all these abuse methods on her own. Also, I don't remember any pictures or video of her cutting innocent hostage throats. How about calling those animals out Mr J?

Regarding her looks, I've seen pictures of a lot of you, and there ain't too many rose gardens there either! :-)

I think Mick was being ironic when he called her a "Dangerous Beauty."

Whether you think she is good-looking or ugly isn't the point. Being "ugly" isn't a crime, and shouldn't be the worst slur for her you can come up with.

She is a very very bad person who did some horrible things. Looking at those pictures made me ashamed to be an American.

It doesn't matter if what terrorists do is "even worse." We Americans should always hold ourselves to a higher standard--we like to think ourselves as the "good guys." In this case, we weren't.

Was she "just obeying orders?" Probably. Is she being made a scapegoat? I think so.

She should have refused the orders. Unlike a concentration camp guard during World War II, no one would have shot her in the head. She even had their experience to inform her that the "just obeying orders" defense doesn't cut it.

The worst that could have happened to her would be that she'd be put in a military prison. Same place she's in now.

DB is a great track. Along with Back of My Hand and Sweet Neo Con, it speaks to our time. I hope all three get played on the European leg of the tour.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2006-05-02 18:25 by loog droog.

Spot on KSIE.England was just a silly young naive kid acting under influence/orders of others.Hardly a mastermind. The buck stops well short of where it should,but it is easy to pick on/blame the ugly bird.

loog droog Wrote:
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>
> It doesn't matter if what terrorists do is "even
> worse." We Americans should always hold ourselves
> to a higher standard--we like to think ourselves
> as the "good guys." In this case, we weren't.

Agree

>
> Was she "just obeying orders?" Probably. Is she
> being made a scapegoat? I think so.

Agree

>
> She should have refused the orders. Unlike a
> concentration camp guard during World War II, no
> one would have shot her in the head. She even had
> their experience to inform her that the "just
> obeying orders" defense doesn't cut it.

Hard to say how much of an option this was. Imagine the pressure on a women in this situation. She probably felt a strong need to prove herself to the men in her unit.

Good post Loog

When's Rumsefeld's trial?

DB is a magnificent example of Jaggers lyrical genius......."the leader of the leash""...........etc etc etc etc........

lady of the leash
(and it is indeed a brilliant lyric)

Somehow the words "Dangerous Ugly Bitch" just didn't fit the music.

An interesting song, one of my favorites on the album. Still, it's a stretch to call it "political." This woman had few if any supporters. The lyrics make allusions to the truly malign powers above her (the "onerous orders," something about the chief of staff), but it focuses its criticism on her. Which suits the higher-ups just fine.

KSIE Wrote:
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> Agree that it was shameful, but it's likewise
> shameful to blame PFC England. This is a cheap
> shot by Mick, and lots of others, to pick on this
> girl. I don't think she dreamed-up all these
> abuse methods on her own. Also, I don't remember
> any pictures or video of her cutting innocent
> hostage throats. How about calling those animals
> out Mr J?

you've read the lyrics to this song, I assume?

where does Jagger "blame", "pick on" or "call her out" ?

Gazza Wrote:
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>
> you've read the lyrics to this song, I assume?
>
> where does Jagger "blame", "pick on" or "call her
> out" ?

Would you call him complimentary, sympathetic, or admiring? I think simply singling her out in the song is low enough. How do you interpret this:

"You're doing such a wonderful job
You're a natural at working with dogs
Keeping everyone awake at night
With a touch of the prods

Well you're a dangerous, dangerous
A dangerous beauty
Yeah, disdainfully, painfully
A bit of booty, yeah"

its a piss-take!!! The whole thing is tongue in cheek!

the only people criticised are the people who gave her "onerous orders"!!

Gazza Wrote:
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> its a piss-take!!! The whole thing is tongue in
> cheek!
>
> the only people criticised are the people who gave
> her "onerous orders"!!


Well again I'll say that highlighting her was a low-blow, piss-take or not. I should probably add my disclaimer that Lyndie grew up in a town about 15 minutes from my hometown, and many within her unit are from that area. So perhaps I wasn't within the intended "piss circle".

Just a question from somebody in the Netherlands, what are "onerous orders"?

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>> Just a question from somebody in the Netherlands, what are "onerous orders"? <<

onerous: [nerous&sa=X&oi=glossary_definition&ct=title" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">www.google.co.uk]

order: [www.google.co.uk]


"What do you want - what?!"
- Keith

If "beauty" really means the opposite of its true meaning then the song can only be about one person - hillary clinton (the true anti-christ)

Mr. droog...once again, thanks for an insightful post, my funny named friend.

yes I stand corrected with sssoul.........thank you.....the lady of the leash....why people don't understand how brilliantly tongue and cheek this song is beats me

scelsa Wrote:
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> If "beauty" really means the opposite of its true
> meaning then the song can only be about one person
> - hillary clinton (the true anti-christ)


Hey scelsa. How's it going?

I agree that the song is humorous. But if it's "tongue in cheek," what's the joke? From whom (on whom? - sorry, this idiom is not natural to me) are they "taking the piss"?

Y'all???????????