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How could Ron have been so poor that he had to survive on painting? I thought he was worth hundreds of of millions

Why would you think that? Because of his 7 Stones songs or whatever it is? He didn't co-write Maggie May. Musicians like Ronnie didn't make a ton of money. Certainly got paid nicely to tour but not millions. He probably gets a per annum with the Stones, which includes recording, and these days, shit, the last 30 years, probably 7% in mechanical performance royalties.

That aspect aside, he was terrible at managing his money. Drugs, booze... and his travels and homes.

Ronnie is the kid given too much sugar - does a whole lot and then crashes. Makes one good decision out of 10. His best life has probably been since the Stones started working again in 2012 and since, steadily.

Sober, of course. As Keith said sometime in 2003, Ronnie never stopped after the BABYLON tour (I can't remember exactly but he said something to the effect of he never got out of the spin cycle). Chasing ankles under tables.

Gypsy. OK. Fine. Get a good manager. Pay attention.

Bill... he had his shit together. And yet the Stones still treated him like shit in 2012. "Oh it's just Bill". Still surprised he agreed to it. You know they would've cheaped out on him if he had agreed to fly to NY or whatever for the US shows for two songs. TWO SONGS. What a load of crap.

Jagger Richards are not cool, they are crude.

Ronnie's been a millionaire since his Faces days. He went bankrupt in the 1990's due to investments in a club in London and a lifestyle that was a bit too much even for a Rolling Stone. Read all about it in Jo Wood's memoir.

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And he hasn't been on the Stones' 'payroll' for some time now, has he? I understand he was a salaried 'employee' until the early-90's? Of course, he was a member of the Stones, just not part of the 'partnership', right?

Bill is making money from mechanical royalties. But not every song since he's not on Doo Doo Doo Doo (Heartbreaker), for example. The one track Bill makes the most royalties from is Start Me Up.

Of course, same with the rest of them. Start Me Up is their biggest song ever.

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How could Ron have been so poor that he had to survive on painting? I thought he was worth hundreds of of millions

Why would you think that? Because of his 7 Stones songs or whatever it is? He didn't co-write Maggie May. Musicians like Ronnie didn't make a ton of money. Certainly got paid nicely to tour but not millions. He probably gets a per annum with the Stones, which includes recording, and these days, shit, the last 30 years, probably 7% in mechanical performance royalties. Does Mick Taylor get any royalties?

That aspect aside, he was terrible at managing his money. Drugs, booze... and his travels and homes.

Ronnie is the kid given too much sugar - does a whole lot and then crashes. Makes one good decision out of 10. His best life has probably been since the Stones started working again in 2012 and since, steadily.

Sober, of course. As Keith said sometime in 2003, Ronnie never stopped after the BABYLON tour (I can't remember exactly but he said something to the effect of he never got out of the spin cycle). Chasing ankles under tables.

Gypsy. OK. Fine. Get a good manager. Pay attention.

Bill... he had his shit together. And yet the Stones still treated him like shit in 2012. "Oh it's just Bill". Still surprised he agreed to it. You know they would've cheaped out on him if he had agreed to fly to NY or whatever for the US shows for two songs. TWO SONGS. What a load of crap.

Jagger Richards are not cool, they are crude.

Ronnie's been a millionaire since his Faces days. He went bankrupt in the 1990's due to investments in a club in London and a lifestyle that was a bit too much even for a Rolling Stone. Read all about it in Jo Wood's memoir.

Mathijs

And he hasn't been on the Stones' 'payroll' for some time now, has he? I understand he was a salaried 'employee' until the early-90's? Of course, he was a member of the Stones, just not part of the 'partnership', right?

Bill is making money from mechanical royalties. But not every song since he's not on Doo Doo Doo Doo (Heartbreaker), for example. The one track Bill makes the most royalties from is Start Me Up.

Of course, same with the rest of them. Start Me Up is their biggest song ever.

We don’t know what kind of money Bill has coming in. Royalties, merchandising etc.
what is the percentage rate or set fee.

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The 2012 'reunion' has been discussed countless times and I think we can all agree that it was great to see Wyman on stage with the Stones even if only for two songs. He should have done more songs. Why he did not get the chance to do more is not clear. I am sure it had nothing to do with hurting Darryl's feelings -- he is a hired hand and there are albums/songs on which his help was not needed so he doing less songs on those two nights would have been no issue at all.

Why are Keith and Mick so petty about him quiting anyway? Never seemed like they really liked him that much personally

In an interview not long after, Bill said (to paraphrase) they never forgave him for leaving and this was their petty way of getting back at him. They gave him enough stage time so some of his extended family could see him play with the Stones for the first time but not enough to let him get really warmed up and comfortable. Such a missed opportunity, especially since they also had Mick Taylor, (who would get up to 4 songs per night, but usually 1 or 2).

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The 2012 'reunion' has been discussed countless times and I think we can all agree that it was great to see Wyman on stage with the Stones even if only for two songs. He should have done more songs. Why he did not get the chance to do more is not clear. I am sure it had nothing to do with hurting Darryl's feelings -- he is a hired hand and there are albums/songs on which his help was not needed so he doing less songs on those two nights would have been no issue at all.

In an interview not long after, Bill said (to paraphrase) they never forgave him for leaving and this was their petty way of getting back at him. They gave him enough stage time so some of his extended family could see him play with the Stones for the first time but not enough to let him get really warmed up and comfortable. Such a missed opportunity, especially since they also had Mick Taylor, (who would get up to 4 songs per night, but usually 1 or 2).

Whatever the reason only 2 songs we'll never know, it's all speculation. I
think the band has been magnanimous inviting Bill and Mick T back occasionally.

Seeing Bill gripe about it after, or shooting down the song he played on, on HD, I think confirms for me their opinion of him.

A great part of their history but can be a bit of a whiner. He was wonderful with the Stones and was greatly enriched, many many times more than he would otherwise been in his lifetime. He could have done all the things he wanted to do and stayed in the band, if he chose. As Charlie said, 5 years working, 20 years hanging around.

I find his pettiness...well...petty.

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.............????? There is only one "petty" person in the Stones, and that is Mick. Mick lives for the now, and dismisses important parts of the Stones history.

....He kicked out Bobby Keys at one point, until Keef had Bobby show up for a rehearsal.

....After years of Mick being influenced by James Brown at the T.A.M.I. show, he decided to tell the media, they were filmed at different times.

....Airbrushing Bill out of the picture for the rarities album?. I agree that
was not a good move.

....But the one that tops them all is the railroad station dedication where Keef and Mick met each other. As Bill pointed out, not a word about Brian, who started the band!!!

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How could Ron have been so poor that he had to survive on painting? I thought he was worth hundreds of of millions

I'm a little confused by the interview. I don't think it says what specific period some of the Stones were broke. I remember reading in Bill's Stone Alone that by '69, Charlie, Brian, and he were broke because those three didn't get song royalties (except from Nanker/Phelge), and they hadn't toured since 1966. I don't know what Bill, Charlie, and then Ron, were making from touring back then. Tours weren't money makers until much later. They were meant to be promotion for the newest album, where the real money was. I suspect they were set for life (at least Bill and Charlie), after the Steel Wheels/Urban Jungle tour. Charlie, of course, stayed on for the real money tours that came afterward.

That is the paradox for me. Bill has the mind of a chartered accountant, much oppose to Ron, still he missed out on the really big money. A good accountant but not a good businessman? Is that the deal?

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I wish bill would write a part to of Stone alone. There has to be so much more.