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Re: Steve Jordan plays with Stones for the first time
Posted by: Hairball ()
Date: September 22, 2021 22:30

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If Mick gets replaced by some blues singer or Keith gets replaced by some other rhythm guitarist, would you also close your eyes, smile and say everything is alright? This way you can make the Rolling Stones eternal band!

Exactly. Where is the line drawn? Keith?? Mick?? Or is every single member replaceable and the band remains the Rolling Stones forever, even without any original members??

Drew

Both Keith and Mick had said in the past they can't imagine the band continuing without Charlie, and that it couldn't truly be the Rolling Stones without Charlie.
Yet here we are in 2021 on the eve of their 60th anniversary...the Stones without Charlie, and whether it's truly the Rolling Stones or not, maybe a question that only Keith and Mick could answer.
Deep down in their hearts, only they know for sure.

Forgot to add that it would also be interesting to hear Ronnie's take on the matter as he seemd to also be truly and dearly close to Charlie.
And after all, Ronnie has been a member of the band for 46 years now.

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Rip this joint, gonna save your soul, round and round and round we go......

Re: The Rolling Stones private show at Gillette Stadium Foxboro/Boston Sept 20, 2021
Date: September 22, 2021 22:30

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FOR ALL THOSE WHO DON'T LIKE THE NEW SOUND STONES, THE QUESTION IS VERY SIMPLE, DON'T LISTEN TO THE ROLLING STONES ANY MORE AND ABANDON THE FORUM, LISTEN WHAT YOU LIKE MOST NOW IF YOU PREFER

If Mick or Keith gets replaced and I had objections about it, would you also give me this advice stop listening and leave forum, we want to enjoy??

Re: Steve Jordan plays with Stones for the first time
Date: September 22, 2021 22:31

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If Mick gets replaced by some blues singer or Keith gets replaced by some other rhythm guitarist, would you also close your eyes, smile and say everything is alright? This way you can make the Rolling Stones eternal band!

Exactly. Where is the line drawn? Keith?? Mick?? Or is every single member replaceable and the band remains the Rolling Stones forever, even without any original members??

Drew

Both Keith and Mick had said in the past they can't imagine the band continuing without Charlie, and that it couldn't truly be the Rolling Stones without Charlie.
Yet here we are in 2021 on the eve of their 60th anniversary...the Stones without Charlie, and whether it's truly the Rolling Stones or not, maybe a question that only Keith and Mick could answer.
Deep down in their hearts, only they know for sure.

Forgot to add that it would also be interesting to hear Ronnie's take on the matter as he seemd to also be truly and dearly close to Charlie.
And after all, Ronnie has been a member of the band for 46 years now.
I agree, Ronnie should also have his say about the future of the band.



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Re: The Rolling Stones private show at Gillette Stadium Foxboro/Boston Sept 20, 2021
Posted by: Taylor1 ()
Date: September 22, 2021 22:34

Mick and Keith are great artists. Artists work until they no longer want to or cannot.Why should they stop now if they do not want to. No one is forced to pay money to listen to them. And if they want to perform live together , they should be able to. Everyone has and is replaceable. Charlie , though is really the tough one to lose.

Re: Steve Jordan plays with Stones for the first time
Posted by: zeppo1 ()
Date: September 22, 2021 22:34

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jumpingjackflash5

If Mick gets replaced by some blues singer or Keith gets replaced by some other rhythm guitarist, would you also close your eyes, smile and say everything is alright? This way you can make the Rolling Stones eternal band!

Exactly. Where is the line drawn? Keith?? Mick?? Or is every single member replaceable and the band remains the Rolling Stones forever, even without any original members??

Drew

Both Keith and Mick had said in the past they can't imagine the band continuing without Charlie, and that it couldn't truly be the Rolling Stones without Charlie.
Yet here we are in 2021 on the eve of their 60th anniversary...the Stones without Charlie, and whether it's truly the Rolling Stones or not, maybe a question that only Keith and Mick could answer.
Deep down in their hearts, only they know for sure.


Ship of Theseus



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Re: The Rolling Stones private show at Gillette Stadium Foxboro/Boston Sept 20, 2021
Posted by: artedm ()
Date: September 22, 2021 22:35

thanks KSAM
what a post

Re: The Rolling Stones private show at Gillette Stadium Foxboro/Boston Sept 20, 2021
Date: September 22, 2021 22:38

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Mick and Keith are great artists. Artists work until they no longer want to or cannot.Why should they stop now if they do not want to. No one is forced to pay money to listen to them. And if they want to perform live together , they should be able to. Everyone has and is replaceable. Charlie , though is really the tough one to lose.

Because if they do not find more compatible drummer (not excluding the possibility of Mr Jordan's improvement), then they cannot get the sound that is essential part of their art as the Rolling Stones.

Re: The Rolling Stones private show at Gillette Stadium Foxboro/Boston Sept 20, 2021
Posted by: Taylor1 ()
Date: September 22, 2021 22:43

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Mick and Keith are great artists. Artists work until they no longer want to or cannot.Why should they stop now if they do not want to. No one is forced to pay money to listen to them. And if they want to perform live together , they should be able to. Everyone has and is replaceable. Charlie , though is really the tough one to lose.

Because if they do not find more compatible drummer (not excluding the possibility of Mr Jordan's improvement), then they cannot get the sound that is essential part of their art as the Rolling Stones.
Maybe a jazz drummer to go with a jazz bass player. Tim Reis could probably find one. Or Jim Keltner , but he isprobably too old



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Re: The Rolling Stones private show at Gillette Stadium Foxboro/Boston Sept 20, 2021
Posted by: bye bye johnny ()
Date: September 22, 2021 22:49

[iorr.org]

Best first post ever! Thanks, KSAM.

Re: Steve Jordan plays with Stones for the first time
Posted by: Four Stone Walls ()
Date: September 22, 2021 22:49

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I do like it that with Jordan they do play quite a bit faster. I like how they start Trouble's A Coming. Let's be honest, Charlie was dragging quite a bit for the last years.

Mathijs

Yes he was dragging, and just as i suspected they are playing faster and that will continue with Jordan, songs like Brown Sugar were painfully slow in recent years, Keith always got the blame for the slowed down pace, now we know different.

But it's Keith who kicks that whole song off .....

Re: The Rolling Stones private show at Gillette Stadium Foxboro/Boston Sept 20, 2021
Posted by: BN78 ()
Date: September 22, 2021 22:53

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Hey Stones Fans,
I’m the guy who posted the videos from the private show on Monday night. Originally, I had planned on posting to IORR but couldn’t get in. I didn’t know my password and the re-set feature would not work for me. I’ve followed along for years but not sure I’ve ever posted. Maybe once years ago. I’ve fastidiously avoided social media as it seems to bring out the worst as well as the best in people. I have a happy life without, but my wife shows me nice things from Facebook on occasion so I’m not against, just busy with life without.
I do participate from time to time on the Stones app Fanwall although it doesn’t work very well on my older iPhone and there are long load times. There are lots of passionate people there and they post some cool stuff although sometimes, rarely thank you, political food fights break out and I back off until the idiocracy fades back into the ooze. I participated once and am worse off for it. IORR is mostly convo, and the Fanwall is mostly pictures. I’m visual so I do enjoy that community. There are some real characters. I’d like to meet a lot of them. Anyway, I posted the videos and pictures I took over on the Fanwall and asked if some technically savvy person could put them out here on IORR for all of you. They did and now I’m reading lots of stuff born of my decision to share.
After arriving, meeting up with my old school chums over a beer with other Stoners at the elevated bar across the plaza from the stadium opening, we sauntered up to the gate drawn across the field opening. Someone had pointed out Bjornulf Vik to me from the bar. He was down at the gate. I wanted to introduce myself and thank him for his passion and drive. After every show, I eagerly anticipate reading his thoughtful and heartfelt musings and wanted him to know all the good he’s done in my musical life. Alas, he was gone like a ghost when I arrived, so I’ll thank him here: THANK YOU, Bjornulf. You’re a special person!!
How did I get in? Jedi mind tricks and moves like Jagger! Things were planned out in advance and lady luck rode with us. I must give mad props to my pal who conceived of the plan. He sprung it on me at the last minute and we dropped into lockstep, weaving like Keith and Ronnie and made the impossible possible. Suffice to say I can’t say more as sometimes facts may have unintended consequences. Rest assured nothing untoward occurred during this magic act, no walls were scaled, and no laws were broken. You could actually try this at home!
After the magic carpet ride into the stadium, we casually moved up the side of the tent and ducked into the back where the open bar and food was set up. From there we practically ran into the stage area of the tent and set up shop about 40 feet in front of the middle stage. We arrived on scene during the final stages of Under My Thumb, the third song on the set.
I’m so happy that Mick posted the video tribute of the band at the beginning of the concert dedicating the show to Charlie. We missed that live. My first inkling of the Stones was a babysitter blasting Get Off of My Cloud repeatedly with the volume at #11 in ’65 or ’66 when I was in grade school. I hated it…it scared me. I was a fledgling Monkees fan, but of course I was too young to understand. Fast forward to my 15th year on the planet and I purchased my first new Stones album on release, Goats Head Soup. Still one of my all-time favorites. I fell in love with the Mick Taylor Stones and still pine for them, although equally love the Brian years and totally in sync with the Ronnie era. I love Ronnie’s work with The Jeff Beck Group and the Faces. All this is to say each era has been different, but more importantly, near-and-dear to my musical heartstrings. The Rolling Stones are my favorite band of all time. Period. I have others on my Pantheon, but the Stones are middle top step!! I say all this simply, so you know where I’m coming from as I reveal my thoughts about the show on Monday.
I’ve seen a thousand live shows in my life. Many in stadiums, etc. but more in local clubs. In the before times, I was a regular on the Cambridge/Boston/Somerville music circuit here in eastern Massachusetts. You can plop down 7 or 15 bucks on a Tuesday or Friday night at the Lizard Lounge in Cambridge and see songwriting, musicianship and technical dexterity that will leave your jaw dragging on the floor. Don’t tell too many people about it. It’s our own world and when it all opens back up, I’ll be there again. I say this to let you know I’m not only a fan of the Stones but have a very long, involved, and critical (in the best way I hope) expertise as a music aficionado like all of you, so you will have to take my word that whatever you think about what you saw on those videos, my words should weigh more in your ultimate opinion of Monday’s show.
They wrapped up Under my Thumb and our grins stretched from ear to ear. Mick paced back and forth and introduced a cover tune, Trouble’s a Coming. It’s always special to hear a first-time performance. On the first strums I recognized the tune from the Fully Finished Studio Outtakes. From our middle front vantage point, the sound was amazing. The sound board team deserves mention.
Let me point something out I have always thought about but never really vocalized. Listening to live rock and roll is very different from playing an album where every nuance is tightly controlled in the studio by obsessive engineers and producers. Live is the true test in my opinion. As a rock tune hits you, it should be like eating an amazing piece of your favorite cake made by your mom. The finest ingredients, fully mixed in the right order and temperature, cooked perfectly and sprinkled with love. Eating the ingredients separately like flour, raw eggs, lard, would be wholly unsatisfying. Likewise, trying to parse out individual ingredients for commentary after eating said cake, would be fruitless. I say this as I’ve read many comments on the newest member of the band, Steve Jordan. I really didn’t know much about him leading up to the show. I’ve since brought my knowledge up to speed through Wiki, etc. Let’s get this out of the way now. He’s not Charlie Watts and that’s alright with me. I loved Charlie Watts deeply. He and Keith (first) were always my favorite Stones through my teen and twenties years. I came to appreciate all of Mick’s towering achievements a bit later, but no less passionately. I’ll forever miss Charlie and how his wings never melted in the ‘70’s when he flew too close to the Sun that were the Glimmer Twins I’ll never know, but he did and recovered and prospered and his swing will be forever loved and missed.
Standing there live, it’s true that Steve is a much more muscular drummer than Charlie. But it really, and I can’t stress this enough, really worked. There was a rockier sound and it sounded fabulous. We can’t go back and change things. If I could, Brian and Bill and Mick Taylor and Ian Stewart and Nicky Hopkins and Bobby Keys, and mostly Charlie all would have been on that stage Monday. What we had LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, (were) THE ROLLING STONES!!! Not some substitute or whatever someone could think up, the real deal in the flesh.
Let me say something about my videos, please. As mentioned, when we first arrived, we were dead center about 40 feet out halfway between the stage and soundboard. The sound was amazing. All instruments were balanced, and all the players were in stunning form. Instant impression is that this was an amazingly tight iteration of the Stones and it truly worked for me!! We did venture to the back to grab a beer at the open bar and upon returning, there were more fans crowded into the space where we vacated. We were able to find space a bit to the left and perhaps a bit closer. The sound there wasn’t the same. A bit louder and harsher but not at all bad. Whenever I go to a concert, unless hanging with my wife or friends, I tend to move around in search of the best sound. I was so deliriously happy to be where I was on earth at that moment, I just stood there grinning and didn’t move off to find that sweet spot again. I have an older iPhone 7 ( I know people, don’t judge, I’m a victim of inertia!) and it does an admirable job but is not state of the art. Again, my location wasn’t in a “sweet spot”, and you must also know that phones/cameras must have been announced before we got there as being prohibited as no one was holding up their phones taking pix or vids. Where we were standing was immediately to the left of Charlie Baker, the governor of Massachusetts. When he pulled out his phone and started videoing, a security person tapped him on the shoulder and asked him to stop! He’s 6 foot 6 or something ridiculous so he provided cover for me on that side! I had to hold the phone low, close to my chest and couldn’t concentrate on framing, lighting and focus like I would normally, so what we have is what we have with lots of meandering and heads bobbing. I know how to shoot, just couldn’t. Additionally, I was also in a somewhat altered state, so forgive me my trespasses!! All this babble is so you know what you saw and especially what you heard on those videos was representative of what I saw and heard but please know that they are not an accurate record. And…...the drumming was louder as we were closer to the PA system. Back further, it all was seamlessly mixed and sounded amazing. Rest assured, Mick and the boys know what they are doing, have always been incredibly successful following their own muse, so for that I am grateful and accepting of their choices in music.
In all their no longer so ragged glory were Keef, Mick and Ronnie strumming, picking, strutting, and singing in top form. Hear this: they were in top musical, and what was obvious... top physical, form all night! Keith was all business from the get-go and his riffing was driving the music beautifully. Ronnie’s dexterity on lead and rhythm fantastic. Weavers both looking and acting and most importantly playing many years younger than their actual ages which is a testament to their passion and professionalism. They both first-and-foremost consistently perform in service of the song and for that they have my true admiration. All shows are different. Will Keef not seek the limelight on the entire tour? Who knows, but he was there in rare form, full of concentration and didn’t miss a riff or fill the entire night. After reading “Life” can we not all be amazed at these accomplishments in 2021?!
How about the master of ceremonies? Mick strutted and preened. Paced back and forth. No real gymnastics but in full command. Dressed from head to toe in tight black clothes he looked buff. As I stated over on the Fanwall, he’s not a young man, but you couldn’t tell that by watching him on Monday. His vocal phrasing taking advantage of every ounce of his talent and delivering to everyone’s delight! At one point he faced the crowd mid-song (can’t remember which now) and slightly crouched forward and began shaking or fanning his arms and hands rapidly. I shouted, “he’s testifying” and my pal confirmed that was indeed what was happening. Amazing. Wish I had a video of that!!! The man has been working out so he can still deliver a fully realized, professional show to you every night. His contribution to the musical cake cannot be determined solely based on the videos you have seen. He is arguably the single most important driving force in the history of popular rock and roll music and still delivered the goods on Monday, September 13, 2021. I do believe we all owe the continued existence of The Rolling Stones, now in their 6th decade, to the iron will of Mick Jagger.
Who was in the band other than Keith, Mick, and Ronnie? Darryl Jones on bass, Chuck Leavell on piano, Steve Jordan on Drums, Bernard Fowler on vocals and percussion, Sasha Allen on vocals, Karl Denson on Sax, Tim Ries on sax/keys, Matt Clifford on keys/French horn. Let’s face it...The Stones always have the best people with them and these musicians, some of them very long-time participants, are the best.
I won’t run down the entire show but let me say that every show has highlights and new stuff is always exciting to me. The previously mentioned Trouble’s A Coming a highlight for me. The entire presentation with emphasis on guitar work in Living in a Ghost Town was fantastic. It really got me moving out on the floor! The pick of the night was 19th Nervous Breakdown. What a rendition, again emphasis on guitar work. The snippet I uploaded was too short and doesn’t do the number justice. There was a dual guitar section where Keith and Ronnie stepped up and played to each other. Dissonant tones on the verge of punkiness. I was dumbstruck. My pal and I looked at each other in amazement. My personal highlight of the night. I know there is lots of discussion on the war horses. Well, they’re war horses for a reason. I too would like to hear a night of rarities, but this is reality and the new tight, sound put enough of a twist on the rest of the night to wake up my senses and make me appreciate what these guys can deliver. And did they ever. We have no complaints to report!
And a note on the crowd: This party was thrown by the owner of the New England Patriots. A complex person. We locals do appreciate that he pays the band that won 6 Super Bowls and I, of course, truly appreciate him putting the band together on Monday night! The attendees were a highly monied and well-heeled bunch and but doesn’t make them bad people. Among them were many highly accomplished people in their fields including the biotech exec who founded Moderna, etc. While they may not have been the IORR salt-of-the-earth fans, most were highly appreciative of the show and were bopping and dancing along. I also heard Peter Wolf (every appearance of his is a masterclass in showmanship) was in attendance, but I didn’t see him. In the before times, it wasn’t unusual to see him enjoying or participating in the local music scene I wrote about earlier rather regularly.
Well, that was way effing too many words. I did say I’m a bit of a social media luddite, so maybe I was saving it all up for this night?! All in all, I felt like I was carrying a torch for all The Rolling Stones lovers and fanatics out there with my good fortune. We’re on to St. Louis!

Terrific read- thank you!!

Re: Steve Jordan plays with Stones for the first time
Posted by: Hendrik ()
Date: September 22, 2021 22:55

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And the point is, that the Mr Jordan does not play in such a way that blends into the Stones sound as Charlie's playing did (won't repeat the facts why).


It blended in perfectly. You can hear it's not Charlie but absolutely no issue.
Open your mind, see a show, yes, different but you might actually like it....



Hendrik Mulder

That is your subjective opinion, that it did. I do not agree and many others also do not agree.
Of course Stones themselves decide.

I miss the original Stones sound, and won't pretend it is there when it isn't. Whether I like this new one, time will tell.


The original Stones sound has changed many times during the years and we all know by now, due to your countless replies, that you don't like this new sound.


Just go see 'em and who knows.......


Hendrik Mulder

Has changed, but not this way and not in the drums department. Is it that hard to understand??


I do understand your point of view and I also understand you don't like change but you know what, it is what is is, like it or not.

Maybe you can write one more, just one, final post to give your point of view just for the very unlikely case that somebody missed it?

Thank you


Hendrik Mulder

Re: The Rolling Stones private show at Gillette Stadium Foxboro/Boston Sept 20, 2021
Date: September 22, 2021 22:55

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Mick and Keith are great artists. Artists work until they no longer want to or cannot.Why should they stop now if they do not want to. No one is forced to pay money to listen to them. And if they want to perform live together , they should be able to. Everyone has and is replaceable. Charlie , though is really the tough one to lose.

Because if they do not find more compatible drummer (not excluding the possibility of Mr Jordan's improvement), then they cannot get the sound that is essential part of their art as the Rolling Stones.
Maybe a jazz drummer to go with a jazz bass player. Tim Reis could probably find one. Or Jim Keltner , but he isprobably too old


Yeah they should simply try multiple drummers if they want to continue after fall shows. It's simple. If Jordan will be best among them then OK .....

Re: The Rolling Stones private show at Gillette Stadium Foxboro/Boston Sept 20, 2021
Posted by: CamRS ()
Date: September 22, 2021 22:55

I think the band will sound great to the large majority of concert goers attending the shows.

The small, vocal minority on this site who hate what they hear can continue to pontificate on how The Rolling Stones’ 60 year legacy is now tarnished because they continue on. In the end, their opinion doesn’t really matter as much as they think it does. The band’s legacy was cemented a long time ago, and there’s nothing that’s going to change that at this stage.

Re: Steve Jordan plays with Stones for the first time
Posted by: Dougratajczak87 ()
Date: September 22, 2021 22:56

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I do like it that with Jordan they do play quite a bit faster. I like how they start Trouble's A Coming. Let's be honest, Charlie was dragging quite a bit for the last years.

Mathijs

Yes he was dragging, and just as i suspected they are playing faster and that will continue with Jordan, songs like Brown Sugar were painfully slow in recent years, Keith always got the blame for the slowed down pace, now we know different.

But it's Keith who kicks that whole song off .....

Getting back to the gig played on Monday, it did seem in some of the limited clips that Keith was being dragged along by Steve who was absolutely off to the races i.e. Satisification.

I think that's a challenge that they as a unit will have to work through as Steve clearly would like to go faster and Keith seems in the limited clips (and also probably in recent years as well) to prefer to pull it back a bit.

In defense of Steve, you can tell they haven't gelled as a unit just yet, even though I agree with Hairball and JumpingJackFlash5 that the drums are missing that trademark swing, which for me at least, is hard to not notice.



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Re: The Rolling Stones private show at Gillette Stadium Foxboro/Boston Sept 20, 2021
Posted by: Four Stone Walls ()
Date: September 22, 2021 22:57

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Have the critics here ever seen the ragged 1969 show the Stones did in Hyde Park after Brian passed and Mick T. took the spot? It got a lot better after that didn't it?

Sara Dash passed away yesterday. I'm guessing KR knew, she was in the Wino's with KR and SJ. How did they feel about that on show day?

The point is they have the right to enjoy the legacy and perform together. Not just the THREE but the whole lot of them, band, crew, staff. It is not going to last forever folks.
This is completely different situation that in 1969.
Sure they have got right to do anything. But they should try to maintain high standards and preserve their legacy. Which, if the sound does not improve, means doing the postponed shows, celebrate the anniversary next year (maybe with some more shows in Europe), release the final album with Charlie's tracks and stop.

Excuse me BUT ...why should they not start their 60th celebrations in Europe, Where They Are From, and then add a few in the States?

And what about Australia, Japan etc etc?

They will also be promoting a new album.

They will do what they want when they want but the U.S. is getting shows now and so, businesswose too it makes sense to leave there till later.



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Re: The Rolling Stones private show at Gillette Stadium Foxboro/Boston Sept 20, 2021
Posted by: Dougratajczak87 ()
Date: September 22, 2021 22:59

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I think the band will sound great to the large majority of concert goers attending the shows.

The small, vocal minority on this site who hate what they hear can continue to pontificate on how The Rolling Stones’ 60 year legacy is now tarnished because they continue on. In the end, their opinion doesn’t really matter as much as they think it does. The band’s legacy was cemented a long time ago, and there’s nothing that’s going to change that at this stage.

Agree wholeheartedly that no matter what they do at this stage, their legacy as a band is in stone (no pun intended).

Re: The Rolling Stones private show at Gillette Stadium Foxboro/Boston Sept 20, 2021
Date: September 22, 2021 23:01

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I think the band will sound great to the large majority of concert goers attending the shows.

The small, vocal minority on this site who hate what they hear can continue to pontificate on how The Rolling Stones’ 60 year legacy is now tarnished because they continue on. In the end, their opinion doesn’t really matter as much as they think it does. The band’s legacy was cemented a long time ago, and there’s nothing that’s going to change that at this stage.

Majority of concert goers will probably enjoy many things that will be thrown on them. Minority here, me included, cares about the quality of the sound and dignity of the band.

Re: The Rolling Stones private show at Gillette Stadium Foxboro/Boston Sept 20, 2021
Posted by: dcba ()
Date: September 22, 2021 23:06

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We can’t go back and change things.
We can’t go back and change things.
We can’t go back and change things.
We can’t go back and change things.

Yup! All the best to Jordan!

Re: The Rolling Stones private show at Gillette Stadium Foxboro/Boston Sept 20, 2021
Posted by: NashvilleBlues ()
Date: September 22, 2021 23:12

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I think the band will sound great to the large majority of concert goers attending the shows.

The small, vocal minority on this site who hate what they hear can continue to pontificate on how The Rolling Stones’ 60 year legacy is now tarnished because they continue on. In the end, their opinion doesn’t really matter as much as they think it does. The band’s legacy was cemented a long time ago, and there’s nothing that’s going to change that at this stage.

Majority of concert goers will probably enjoy many things that will be thrown on them. Minority here, me included, cares about the quality of the sound and dignity of the band.

It's the band's dignity, not yours. Their legacy, not yours.

Re: The Rolling Stones private show at Gillette Stadium Foxboro/Boston Sept 20, 2021
Posted by: BFR ()
Date: September 22, 2021 23:14

Thank you, KSAM!!

I really appreciate you for sharing all that with us. Sounds like you had a fantastic night. You’ve reiterated what I already knew to be true from my experience with Dylan fans in Boston: Boston has some of the most ravenous and fun music (and sports!) fans around. Thanks for sharing the videos with us, too. Hope to meet you in St. Louis!

Re: The Rolling Stones private show at Gillette Stadium Foxboro/Boston Sept 20, 2021
Date: September 22, 2021 23:15

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I think the band will sound great to the large majority of concert goers attending the shows.

The small, vocal minority on this site who hate what they hear can continue to pontificate on how The Rolling Stones’ 60 year legacy is now tarnished because they continue on. In the end, their opinion doesn’t really matter as much as they think it does. The band’s legacy was cemented a long time ago, and there’s nothing that’s going to change that at this stage.

Majority of concert goers will probably enjoy many things that will be thrown on them. Minority here, me included, cares about the quality of the sound and dignity of the band.

It's the band's dignity, not yours. Their legacy, not yours.

Right, but there are examples from the past when bands harmed their dignity. And I would like the Stones avoid that fate.

Re: The Rolling Stones private show at Gillette Stadium Foxboro/Boston Sept 20, 2021
Posted by: Larsktongue ()
Date: September 22, 2021 23:20

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Hey Stones Fans,
I’m the guy who posted the videos from the private show on Monday night. Originally, I had planned on posting to IORR but couldn’t get in. I didn’t know my password and the re-set feature would not work for me. I’ve followed along for years but not sure I’ve ever posted. Maybe once years ago. I’ve fastidiously avoided social media as it seems to bring out the worst as well as the best in people. I have a happy life without, but my wife shows me nice things from Facebook on occasion so I’m not against, just busy with life without.
I do participate from time to time on the Stones app Fanwall although it doesn’t work very well on my older iPhone and there are long load times. There are lots of passionate people there and they post some cool stuff although sometimes, rarely thank you, political food fights break out and I back off until the idiocracy fades back into the ooze. I participated once and am worse off for it. IORR is mostly convo, and the Fanwall is mostly pictures. I’m visual so I do enjoy that community. There are some real characters. I’d like to meet a lot of them. Anyway, I posted the videos and pictures I took over on the Fanwall and asked if some technically savvy person could put them out here on IORR for all of you. They did and now I’m reading lots of stuff born of my decision to share.
After arriving, meeting up with my old school chums over a beer with other Stoners at the elevated bar across the plaza from the stadium opening, we sauntered up to the gate drawn across the field opening. Someone had pointed out Bjornulf Vik to me from the bar. He was down at the gate. I wanted to introduce myself and thank him for his passion and drive. After every show, I eagerly anticipate reading his thoughtful and heartfelt musings and wanted him to know all the good he’s done in my musical life. Alas, he was gone like a ghost when I arrived, so I’ll thank him here: THANK YOU, Bjornulf. You’re a special person!!
How did I get in? Jedi mind tricks and moves like Jagger! Things were planned out in advance and lady luck rode with us. I must give mad props to my pal who conceived of the plan. He sprung it on me at the last minute and we dropped into lockstep, weaving like Keith and Ronnie and made the impossible possible. Suffice to say I can’t say more as sometimes facts may have unintended consequences. Rest assured nothing untoward occurred during this magic act, no walls were scaled, and no laws were broken. You could actually try this at home!
After the magic carpet ride into the stadium, we casually moved up the side of the tent and ducked into the back where the open bar and food was set up. From there we practically ran into the stage area of the tent and set up shop about 40 feet in front of the middle stage. We arrived on scene during the final stages of Under My Thumb, the third song on the set.
I’m so happy that Mick posted the video tribute of the band at the beginning of the concert dedicating the show to Charlie. We missed that live. My first inkling of the Stones was a babysitter blasting Get Off of My Cloud repeatedly with the volume at #11 in ’65 or ’66 when I was in grade school. I hated it…it scared me. I was a fledgling Monkees fan, but of course I was too young to understand. Fast forward to my 15th year on the planet and I purchased my first new Stones album on release, Goats Head Soup. Still one of my all-time favorites. I fell in love with the Mick Taylor Stones and still pine for them, although equally love the Brian years and totally in sync with the Ronnie era. I love Ronnie’s work with The Jeff Beck Group and the Faces. All this is to say each era has been different, but more importantly, near-and-dear to my musical heartstrings. The Rolling Stones are my favorite band of all time. Period. I have others on my Pantheon, but the Stones are middle top step!! I say all this simply, so you know where I’m coming from as I reveal my thoughts about the show on Monday.
I’ve seen a thousand live shows in my life. Many in stadiums, etc. but more in local clubs. In the before times, I was a regular on the Cambridge/Boston/Somerville music circuit here in eastern Massachusetts. You can plop down 7 or 15 bucks on a Tuesday or Friday night at the Lizard Lounge in Cambridge and see songwriting, musicianship and technical dexterity that will leave your jaw dragging on the floor. Don’t tell too many people about it. It’s our own world and when it all opens back up, I’ll be there again. I say this to let you know I’m not only a fan of the Stones but have a very long, involved, and critical (in the best way I hope) expertise as a music aficionado like all of you, so you will have to take my word that whatever you think about what you saw on those videos, my words should weigh more in your ultimate opinion of Monday’s show.
They wrapped up Under my Thumb and our grins stretched from ear to ear. Mick paced back and forth and introduced a cover tune, Trouble’s a Coming. It’s always special to hear a first-time performance. On the first strums I recognized the tune from the Fully Finished Studio Outtakes. From our middle front vantage point, the sound was amazing. The sound board team deserves mention.
Let me point something out I have always thought about but never really vocalized. Listening to live rock and roll is very different from playing an album where every nuance is tightly controlled in the studio by obsessive engineers and producers. Live is the true test in my opinion. As a rock tune hits you, it should be like eating an amazing piece of your favorite cake made by your mom. The finest ingredients, fully mixed in the right order and temperature, cooked perfectly and sprinkled with love. Eating the ingredients separately like flour, raw eggs, lard, would be wholly unsatisfying. Likewise, trying to parse out individual ingredients for commentary after eating said cake, would be fruitless. I say this as I’ve read many comments on the newest member of the band, Steve Jordan. I really didn’t know much about him leading up to the show. I’ve since brought my knowledge up to speed through Wiki, etc. Let’s get this out of the way now. He’s not Charlie Watts and that’s alright with me. I loved Charlie Watts deeply. He and Keith (first) were always my favorite Stones through my teen and twenties years. I came to appreciate all of Mick’s towering achievements a bit later, but no less passionately. I’ll forever miss Charlie and how his wings never melted in the ‘70’s when he flew too close to the Sun that were the Glimmer Twins I’ll never know, but he did and recovered and prospered and his swing will be forever loved and missed.
Standing there live, it’s true that Steve is a much more muscular drummer than Charlie. But it really, and I can’t stress this enough, really worked. There was a rockier sound and it sounded fabulous. We can’t go back and change things. If I could, Brian and Bill and Mick Taylor and Ian Stewart and Nicky Hopkins and Bobby Keys, and mostly Charlie all would have been on that stage Monday. What we had LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, (were) THE ROLLING STONES!!! Not some substitute or whatever someone could think up, the real deal in the flesh.
Let me say something about my videos, please. As mentioned, when we first arrived, we were dead center about 40 feet out halfway between the stage and soundboard. The sound was amazing. All instruments were balanced, and all the players were in stunning form. Instant impression is that this was an amazingly tight iteration of the Stones and it truly worked for me!! We did venture to the back to grab a beer at the open bar and upon returning, there were more fans crowded into the space where we vacated. We were able to find space a bit to the left and perhaps a bit closer. The sound there wasn’t the same. A bit louder and harsher but not at all bad. Whenever I go to a concert, unless hanging with my wife or friends, I tend to move around in search of the best sound. I was so deliriously happy to be where I was on earth at that moment, I just stood there grinning and didn’t move off to find that sweet spot again. I have an older iPhone 7 ( I know people, don’t judge, I’m a victim of inertia!) and it does an admirable job but is not state of the art. Again, my location wasn’t in a “sweet spot”, and you must also know that phones/cameras must have been announced before we got there as being prohibited as no one was holding up their phones taking pix or vids. Where we were standing was immediately to the left of Charlie Baker, the governor of Massachusetts. When he pulled out his phone and started videoing, a security person tapped him on the shoulder and asked him to stop! He’s 6 foot 6 or something ridiculous so he provided cover for me on that side! I had to hold the phone low, close to my chest and couldn’t concentrate on framing, lighting and focus like I would normally, so what we have is what we have with lots of meandering and heads bobbing. I know how to shoot, just couldn’t. Additionally, I was also in a somewhat altered state, so forgive me my trespasses!! All this babble is so you know what you saw and especially what you heard on those videos was representative of what I saw and heard but please know that they are not an accurate record. And…...the drumming was louder as we were closer to the PA system. Back further, it all was seamlessly mixed and sounded amazing. Rest assured, Mick and the boys know what they are doing, have always been incredibly successful following their own muse, so for that I am grateful and accepting of their choices in music.
In all their no longer so ragged glory were Keef, Mick and Ronnie strumming, picking, strutting, and singing in top form. Hear this: they were in top musical, and what was obvious... top physical, form all night! Keith was all business from the get-go and his riffing was driving the music beautifully. Ronnie’s dexterity on lead and rhythm fantastic. Weavers both looking and acting and most importantly playing many years younger than their actual ages which is a testament to their passion and professionalism. They both first-and-foremost consistently perform in service of the song and for that they have my true admiration. All shows are different. Will Keef not seek the limelight on the entire tour? Who knows, but he was there in rare form, full of concentration and didn’t miss a riff or fill the entire night. After reading “Life” can we not all be amazed at these accomplishments in 2021?!
How about the master of ceremonies? Mick strutted and preened. Paced back and forth. No real gymnastics but in full command. Dressed from head to toe in tight black clothes he looked buff. As I stated over on the Fanwall, he’s not a young man, but you couldn’t tell that by watching him on Monday. His vocal phrasing taking advantage of every ounce of his talent and delivering to everyone’s delight! At one point he faced the crowd mid-song (can’t remember which now) and slightly crouched forward and began shaking or fanning his arms and hands rapidly. I shouted, “he’s testifying” and my pal confirmed that was indeed what was happening. Amazing. Wish I had a video of that!!! The man has been working out so he can still deliver a fully realized, professional show to you every night. His contribution to the musical cake cannot be determined solely based on the videos you have seen. He is arguably the single most important driving force in the history of popular rock and roll music and still delivered the goods on Monday, September 13, 2021. I do believe we all owe the continued existence of The Rolling Stones, now in their 6th decade, to the iron will of Mick Jagger.
Who was in the band other than Keith, Mick, and Ronnie? Darryl Jones on bass, Chuck Leavell on piano, Steve Jordan on Drums, Bernard Fowler on vocals and percussion, Sasha Allen on vocals, Karl Denson on Sax, Tim Ries on sax/keys, Matt Clifford on keys/French horn. Let’s face it...The Stones always have the best people with them and these musicians, some of them very long-time participants, are the best.
I won’t run down the entire show but let me say that every show has highlights and new stuff is always exciting to me. The previously mentioned Trouble’s A Coming a highlight for me. The entire presentation with emphasis on guitar work in Living in a Ghost Town was fantastic. It really got me moving out on the floor! The pick of the night was 19th Nervous Breakdown. What a rendition, again emphasis on guitar work. The snippet I uploaded was too short and doesn’t do the number justice. There was a dual guitar section where Keith and Ronnie stepped up and played to each other. Dissonant tones on the verge of punkiness. I was dumbstruck. My pal and I looked at each other in amazement. My personal highlight of the night. I know there is lots of discussion on the war horses. Well, they’re war horses for a reason. I too would like to hear a night of rarities, but this is reality and the new tight, sound put enough of a twist on the rest of the night to wake up my senses and make me appreciate what these guys can deliver. And did they ever. We have no complaints to report!
And a note on the crowd: This party was thrown by the owner of the New England Patriots. A complex person. We locals do appreciate that he pays the band that won 6 Super Bowls and I, of course, truly appreciate him putting the band together on Monday night! The attendees were a highly monied and well-heeled bunch and but doesn’t make them bad people. Among them were many highly accomplished people in their fields including the biotech exec who founded Moderna, etc. While they may not have been the IORR salt-of-the-earth fans, most were highly appreciative of the show and were bopping and dancing along. I also heard Peter Wolf (every appearance of his is a masterclass in showmanship) was in attendance, but I didn’t see him. In the before times, it wasn’t unusual to see him enjoying or participating in the local music scene I wrote about earlier rather regularly.
Well, that was way effing too many words. I did say I’m a bit of a social media luddite, so maybe I was saving it all up for this night?! All in all, I felt like I was carrying a torch for all The Rolling Stones lovers and fanatics out there with my good fortune. We’re on to St. Louis!


Thank you so much for your observations and articulate discussion of Monday’s show!! I wish I could’ve been there as I live so close(JP). I’m looking forward to seeing them in Detroit! We are so fortunate to still have this band in our lives!!

Re: Steve Jordan plays with Stones for the first time
Date: September 22, 2021 23:23

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I do like it that with Jordan they do play quite a bit faster. I like how they start Trouble's A Coming. Let's be honest, Charlie was dragging quite a bit for the last years.

Mathijs

Yes he was dragging, and just as i suspected they are playing faster and that will continue with Jordan, songs like Brown Sugar were painfully slow in recent years, Keith always got the blame for the slowed down pace, now we know different.

But it's Keith who kicks that whole song off .....

Getting back to the gig played on Monday, it did seem in some of the limited clips that Keith was being dragged along by Steve who was absolutely off to the races i.e. Satisification.

I think that's a challenge that they as a unit will have to work through as Steve clearly would like to go faster and Keith seems in the limited clips (and also probably in recent years as well) to prefer to pull it back a bit.

In defense of Steve, you can tell they haven't gelled as a unit just yet, even though I agree with Hairball and JumpingJackFlash5 that the drums are missing that trademark swing, which for me at least, is hard to not notice.

Thank you.

Re: The Rolling Stones private show at Gillette Stadium Foxboro/Boston Sept 20, 2021
Posted by: bam ()
Date: September 22, 2021 23:26

Thanks, KSAM.

Re: The Rolling Stones private show at Gillette Stadium Foxboro/Boston Sept 20, 2021
Date: September 22, 2021 23:31

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I think the band will sound great to the large majority of concert goers attending the shows.

The small, vocal minority on this site who hate what they hear can continue to pontificate on how The Rolling Stones’ 60 year legacy is now tarnished because they continue on. In the end, their opinion doesn’t really matter as much as they think it does. The band’s legacy was cemented a long time ago, and there’s nothing that’s going to change that at this stage.

Agree wholeheartedly that no matter what they do at this stage, their legacy as a band is in stone (no pun intended).

Yes, there are bands like the Doors that live from their legacy for decades, even when not active. It can be enjoyable to dream and remember and dig in the past. But that's not the dilemma the Stones are undergoing now.

Re: The Rolling Stones private show at Gillette Stadium Foxboro/Boston Sept 20, 2021
Posted by: wonderboy ()
Date: September 22, 2021 23:41

I feel kind of sad. They're really doing this. Charie's not here. They're old. Not in a Muddy Waters on a stool kind of old, but an Austen Powers kind of old. Playing songs from the '60s on a template built 40 years ago with their comeback tour. One new song. Not taking this thing to a new level. Just serving it up again because everybody in the bubble tells them they're great. Sorry, just my feelings, and as a long-time Stones fan that doesn't mean I have to like it.

Re: The Rolling Stones private show at Gillette Stadium Foxboro/Boston Sept 20, 2021
Posted by: Honestman ()
Date: September 22, 2021 23:44

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...We can’t go back and change things. If I could, Brian and Bill and Mick Taylor and Ian Stewart and Nicky Hopkins and Bobby Keys, and mostly Charlie all would have been on that stage Monday. What we had LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, (were) THE ROLLING STONES!!! ...

So If I got the point,

Paul and Ringo are the BEATLES
Pete and Roger The WHO.

HMN

Re: The Rolling Stones private show at Gillette Stadium Foxboro/Boston Sept 20, 2021
Posted by: 24FPS ()
Date: September 22, 2021 23:49

It is what it is. I'm not wild about going to see three fifths of the Stones. How lucky we were to have had them this long. I do have a friend who has never seen them, so it's one of those bucket list things, if I can weasel a couple Lucky Dips before the concert.

From that setlist they seemed a bit more experimental than usual. I don't remember them playing a 'new' song from past boxsets, or deluxe releases. They could have played Scarlett.

Look, the drums aren't going to be the same. Steve sounds a little more bombastic than Charlie. The intricacies will be gone. It's nowhere the level of the Golden Age Stones, but hasn't been for more than twenty years. I guess this is what Keith meant when he said to squeeze the last of the wine from the grapes.

Re: The Rolling Stones private show at Gillette Stadium Foxboro/Boston Sept 20, 2021
Posted by: gotdablouse ()
Date: September 22, 2021 23:50

Wow some people here seem to have too much time on their hands and seem to have made it their mission to boss the thread with their ramblings and spoil everyone's fun...what gives ?!

@KSAM - thanks a ton, great write-up and well done on making it inside !

It's a bit hard to tell for sure from the videos but it seems that SJ was grinning from ear to ear at all times, is that just an impression or was it indeed like that ? It struck me as a bit odd given the "circumstances" of course but and also because it's not the Stones and their musicians usually do, well except maybe Ronnie.

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