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Re: The Brian Jones Resource - A companion to musician Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones
Posted by: ovalvox ()
Date: August 15, 2021 21:55

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His Majesty
All going well post pandemic, I'll be meeting collector Ali Zayeri in London to listen to acetate of the 1962 Curly Clayton session, Brian's Regent Sound acetate from 63/64 etc.

smoking smiley

Is this the Sure I Do and I Want You to Know sessions you are referring to? If so did you get to listen and more importantly what did you think?

Re: The Brian Jones Resource - A companion to musician Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones
Posted by: MingSubu ()
Date: August 15, 2021 23:10

Looks great!

Re: The Brian Jones Resource - A companion to musician Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones
Posted by: His Majesty ()
Date: August 24, 2021 11:41

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ovalvox
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His Majesty
All going well post pandemic, I'll be meeting collector Ali Zayeri in London to listen to acetate of the 1962 Curly Clayton session, Brian's Regent Sound acetate from 63/64 etc.

smoking smiley

Is this the Sure I Do and I Want You to Know sessions you are referring to? If so did you get to listen and more importantly what did you think?

I need to wait for him to digitise them, not sure if invite is still open though.

Re: The Brian Jones Resource - A companion to musician Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones
Posted by: His Majesty ()
Date: August 24, 2021 11:53

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Re: The Brian Jones Resource - A companion to musician Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones
Posted by: His Majesty ()
Date: November 15, 2021 14:33

The Rolling Stones - You Got The Silver
Recorded at Olympic Sound Studios, London, England on 9th February - 31st March 1969.

Line up:
Keith Richards - guitars & vocals
Brian Jones - autoharp
Bill Wyman - bass guitar
Charlie Watts - drums
Nicky Hopkins - piano & organ





You Got The Silver - isolated:

Isolated line up:
Brian Jones - autoharp
Bill Wyman - bass guitar





You Got The Silver - autoharp demonstration:

A demonstration/approximation showing the essentials of what Brian Jones played. Recorded to allow for Brian's autoharp idea to be heard without backing.





Recording session dates courtesy of: [www.nzentgraf.de]



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Re: The Brian Jones Resource - A companion to musician Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones
Posted by: His Majesty ()
Date: November 15, 2021 14:45

The Rolling Stones - Who's Been Sleeping Here?
Recorded at RCA Studios, Los Angeles, USA on 3rd - 11th August 1966:

Line up:
Brian Jones - autoharp
Mick Jagger - vocals & harmonica
Keith Richards - acoustic & electric guitar
Bill Wyman - bass guitar
Charlie Watts - drums
Jack Nitzsche - piano
Unverified - tambourine





Who's Been Sleeping Here? - isolated:

Isolated line up:
Brian Jones - autoharp
Bill Wyman - bass guitar
Charlie Watts - drums
Unverified - tambourine





Who's Been Sleeping Here? - autoharp demonstration:

A demonstration/approximation showing the essentials of what Brian Jones played. Recorded to allow for Brian's autoharp idea to be heard without backing.







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Re: The Brian Jones Resource - A companion to musician Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones
Posted by: rootsman ()
Date: November 15, 2021 15:14

^
Thanks!

Do we really know that it's Brian playing harmonica on Who's Been Sleeping Here?

I clearly remember Mick stating the he overdubbed the harmonica.
It was in a Swedish pop/teen magazine in 1967. There was a questions column, and to the question about who played the harmonica, Mick answered the he did, and that it was done by overdubbing.
Maybe the reason I remember it is that at the time (being 12 years old) I hadn´t heard or knew about overdubbing...but I was a Stones fan, so somehow it stuck.

Re: The Brian Jones Resource - A companion to musician Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones
Posted by: His Majesty ()
Date: November 15, 2021 16:10

Interesting and thanks! Will try and find that. Any help would be appreciated. Can you recall the name of the magazine or ones from the time? Bild perhaps?

No we do not really know. Given this, I'll change the credit on my site etc to reflect this new info. There's nothing specifically Brian Jones about the harmonica part other than that it's played throughout the track which up till then usually mean't Brian played it.

Many credits aren't certain, but things get generally accepted due to repetition and a loop of referencing which often leads to wrong credits sticking. Check how many books and magazines and websites say Brian played the brass etc on Something Happened To Me Yesterday... It was in actuality session musicians arranged and conducted by Arthur Greenslade, Andrew Loog Oldham's go to arranger at the time. The source for this is Andrew himself who despite being quite hated in Brian fan circles (not by me I must add, I think he's ace), has been a great help with this sort of stuff. thumbs up


Is it ok to use your comment as a quote on my Resource postings on Facebook etc? Something like...

"Do we really know that it's Brian playing harmonica on Who's Been Sleeping Here?

I clearly remember Mick stating the he overdubbed the harmonica.
It was in a Swedish pop/teen magazine in 1967. There was a questions column, and to the question about who played the harmonica, Mick answered the he did, and that it was done by overdubbing.
Maybe the reason I remember it is that at the time (being 12 years old) I hadn´t heard or knew about overdubbing...but I was a Stones fan, so somehow it stuck."
- rootsman, IORR - Tell Me forum.



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Re: The Brian Jones Resource - A companion to musician Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones
Posted by: rootsman ()
Date: November 15, 2021 16:57

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His Majesty
Interesting and thanks! Will try and find that. Any help would be appreciated. Can you recall the name of the magazine or ones from the time? Bild perhaps?

No we do not really know. Given this, I'll change the credit on my site etc to reflect this new info. There's nothing specifically Brian Jones about the harmonica part other than that it's played throughout the track which up till then usually mean't Brian played it.

Many credits aren't certain, but things get generally accepted due to repetition and a loop of referencing which often leads to wrong credits sticking. Check how many books and magazines and websites say Brian played the brass etc on Something Happened To Me Yesterday... It was in actuality session musicians arranged and conducted by Arthur Greenslade, Andrew Loog Oldham's go to arranger at the time. The source for this is Andrew himself who despite being quite hated in Brian fan circles (not by me I must add, I think he's ace), has been a great help with this sort of stuff. thumbs up


Is it ok to use your comment as a quote on my Resource postings on Facebook etc? Something like...

"Do we really know that it's Brian playing harmonica on Who's Been Sleeping Here?

I clearly remember Mick stating the he overdubbed the harmonica.
It was in a Swedish pop/teen magazine in 1967. There was a questions column, and to the question about who played the harmonica, Mick answered the he did, and that it was done by overdubbing.
Maybe the reason I remember it is that at the time (being 12 years old) I hadn´t heard or knew about overdubbing...but I was a Stones fan, so somehow it stuck."
- rootsman, IORR - Tell Me forum.

Of course you can use the quote if you want.

And it could have been the magazine Bildjournalen, which I used to read. Likely summer 1967.

Re: The Brian Jones Resource - A companion to musician Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones
Posted by: His Majesty ()
Date: November 15, 2021 17:02

Thanks. thumbs up

This from Vecko Revyn. Anything in here suggesting it might be from this mag?

[img.tradera.net]



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Re: The Brian Jones Resource - A companion to musician Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones
Posted by: rootsman ()
Date: November 15, 2021 17:12

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His Majesty
Thanks. thumbs up

This from Vecko Revyn. Anything in here suggesting it might be from this mag?

[img.tradera.net]

No, I don't think I ever read Veckorevyn.

Re: The Brian Jones Resource - A companion to musician Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones
Posted by: His Majesty ()
Date: November 15, 2021 17:18

Ok, will focus on Bildjournalen for now. thumbs up

This issue perhaps? [www.tradera.com]

Re: The Brian Jones Resource - A companion to musician Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones
Posted by: His Majesty ()
Date: December 15, 2021 14:03

Peter and Gordon - Love Me Baby - featuring Brian Jones playing harmonica.

Recorded at Abbey Road, London in 1964.

Line up:
Brian Jones - harmonica
Peter Asher - vocals
Gordon Waller - vocals
Unverified Session musicians - guitar, bass guitar & drums




Re: The Brian Jones Resource - A companion to musician Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones
Posted by: georgie48 ()
Date: December 15, 2021 21:56

Sorry HM, but I think Brian's nice harmonica playing is totally wasted in this cheap rubbish song ... confused smiley

I'm a GHOST living in a ghost town

Re: The Brian Jones Resource - A companion to musician Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones
Posted by: Rockman ()
Date: December 15, 2021 22:03

So does that mean Brian was
the only Stone to record at Abbey Rd ????



ROCKMAN

Re: The Brian Jones Resource - A companion to musician Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones
Posted by: MisterDDDD ()
Date: December 15, 2021 22:10

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Rockman
So does that mean Brian was
the only Stone to record at Abbey Rd ????

Mick recorded there with Dave Stewart for the Alfie (remake) soundtrack as well.
[www.rollingstone.com]

Re: The Brian Jones Resource - A companion to musician Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones
Posted by: Taylor1 ()
Date: December 16, 2021 02:20

Hard to believe Mick is playing the harmonica on Who’s Been Sleeping Here.Sounds like nothing he ever played. More like Brian on songs like High and Dry

Re: The Brian Jones Resource - A companion to musician Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones
Date: December 16, 2021 09:06

He's obviously doing his best 'Dylan impression'.

Re: The Brian Jones Resource - A companion to musician Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones
Posted by: His Majesty ()
Date: December 16, 2021 14:55

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georgie48
Sorry HM, but I think Brian's nice harmonica playing is totally wasted in this cheap rubbish song ... confused smiley

No need to apologise to me. grinning smiley

Re: The Brian Jones Resource - A companion to musician Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones
Posted by: His Majesty ()
Date: December 16, 2021 15:01

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Taylor1
Hard to believe Mick is playing the harmonica on Who’s Been Sleeping Here.Sounds like nothing he ever played. More like Brian on songs like High and Dry

Not hard to believe at all, plus it's so easy to play it could be anyone really. Nothing more to it than what a beginner would play. There's nothing distinctively Mick or Brian etc in the playing. It's just mock Dylan harmonica playing with no real intent to hit notes cleanly etc.

High and Dry isn't the same really as it is cross harp, WBSH? isn't.

I've yet to find the article, but assuming it is in there, there's no real reason for Mick in early 1967 to say he played something on a recording when he didn't.



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Re: The Brian Jones Resource - A companion to musician Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones
Posted by: His Majesty ()
Date: December 17, 2021 18:44

A musical tribute to Brian Jones featuring autoharp and recorder.

Written and performed by Philip James Johnston.




Re: The Brian Jones Resource - A companion to musician Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones
Posted by: liddas ()
Date: December 17, 2021 18:50

Beautiful!

C

Re: The Brian Jones Resource - A companion to musician Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones
Posted by: Silver Dagger ()
Date: December 18, 2021 13:04

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His Majesty
A musical tribute to Brian Jones featuring autoharp and recorder.

Written and performed by Philip James Johnston.



That's wonderful Phil. When's the album coming out?

Re: The Brian Jones Resource - A companion to musician Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones
Posted by: Taylor1 ()
Date: December 18, 2021 13:09

I know this is off topic, but is it true that Mick plays harp on Prodigal Son while Brian plays the second guitar and Dave Mason plays the harmonica on Dear Doctor?

Re: The Brian Jones Resource - A companion to musician Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones
Posted by: His Majesty ()
Date: December 18, 2021 14:36

Brian played harmonica on Prodigal Son.

The main ghost like harmonica is a bit rough, and an overdub was done, I assume, to try and salvage harmonica being on the track. In the end the main harmonica was mixed out, but still present due being captured via mic bleed. The overdub towards the end is slightly more audible and is mixed off centre.

Thanks to this mixing choice I was able to isolate the harmonica overdub. Here it is: [youtu.be]

...

It's for certain that the only guitar playing by Brian on Beggars Banquet album is on No Expectations and, if you think it counts, his mostly inaudible acoustic guitar on Sympathy For The Devil.

...

Brian most likely played harmonica on Dear Doctor. Due to some similarities with Dave Mason's harmonica playing on Traffic albums I asked Dave if it was him, he said "No.". Here's an isolation where the harmonica is more clear: [youtu.be]



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Re: The Brian Jones Resource - A companion to musician Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones
Posted by: Taylor1 ()
Date: December 18, 2021 15:37

Thank you for the great info.

Re: The Brian Jones Resource - A companion to musician Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones
Posted by: Taylor1 ()
Date: January 2, 2022 14:38

Hi His Majesty , Can you tell me if Brian is playing guitar on any of the jams from Their Satanic Majesty’s Outtakes and Sessions 2020video: [youtu.be]

Re: The Brian Jones Resource - A companion to musician Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones
Posted by: His Majesty ()
Date: January 4, 2022 17:38

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Taylor1
Hi His Majesty , Can you tell me if Brian is playing guitar on any of the jams from Their Satanic Majesty’s Outtakes and Sessions 2020video: [youtu.be]

It is most likely that the only guitar playing by Brian on any currently available studio recording from 1967 is his acoustic guitar playing on early takes of The Lantern. Keith takes over on acoustic at around 15 minutes in:






Brian sounds like he's having an off day at this session. Can hear why he moved on from playing acoustic to organ and why the organ is mostly mixed out of the official release.

Re: The Brian Jones Resource - A companion to musician Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones
Posted by: Mathijs ()
Date: January 4, 2022 18:11

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His Majesty

Brian most likely played harmonica on Dear Doctor. Due to some similarities with Dave Mason's harmonica playing on Traffic albums I asked Dave if it was him, he said "No.". Here's an isolation where the harmonica is more clear: [youtu.be]

I have no doubt Brian played harmonica on Dear Doctor. As the acoustic guitar is clearly Keith I wonder why Dave Mason claimed he plays on this track?

Mathijs

Re: The Brian Jones Resource - A companion to musician Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones
Posted by: His Majesty ()
Date: January 4, 2022 18:20

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Mathijs

I have no doubt Brian played harmonica on Dear Doctor. As the acoustic guitar is clearly Keith I wonder why Dave Mason claimed he plays on this track?

Mathijs


In Bill's Rolling With The Stones Dave is credited with playing acoustic guitar, which, as you note, can't be right as there is only one on take 1 and the official release and it's obviously Keith.

I wondered if Bill (or rather his researchers) had perhaps miscredited Dave instrument wise, so asked Dave directly. He said no to the harmonica, but also said "I think Bill might be right." regarding acoustic guitar.

Maybe he plays tambourine?



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