ROUL Wrote:
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> hi guys....
>
> keith is bad (or someone else is playing instead),
> sound is like a bullshit..you can't compare with
> undercover,somegirls..or black and blue..
> IMHO the sound is lke woodoo lounge..the beggining
> worst sound of stones !!!career,or they cant write
> good songs like ''down in a
> hole'',''tops'',''bitch'',symphaty for the
> devil'',''monkey man'',''undercover''
>
> songs of ABB
>
> .INFAMY-the worst song of keýth ever!its so sad
> .DRAGGED ÝN....-@#$%&ÝN BULLSHÝT
> .
>
> sole thing about album is that jagger has learned
> how to sing)like early days
> for example is not like that-''stripped''
>
> beggining with woodoo,and his solo albums he
> started sing like @#$%& (cuts the words)



Bollocks. Only bad thing is Biggest Mistake.


JumpingKentFlash

jumping kent you dont understand,one of the good songs is ''biggest mistake''better than ''infamy''

Indeed it is. But anything is better than the infamous Infamy - their worst album-closer of all time.

Someone tell Keith that there is more to a song than simple repetition of one musical/conceptual theme throughout. It would have been charitable of MJ to tell him that 'Er..Keith.this isn't a very strong song, you know'.

To which Keith might have replied, "F*** off Mick, this album is cram full of your dodgy songs to which I've added my guitar. Infamy stays in. Period. And it's going at the end or else I'll tell everyone about your hair transplants."

ROUL Wrote:
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> I lost my Keef with that one.

At least he's there with "Rough justice" which I dig very much. Mean riifing there.
But apart of this song I think Keith was just creatively not "there" - at least I think he didn't put enough effort in this album. I mean hey - after eight years of hanging he should have come up with a little more than "Rough justice" (which I love) and "This plaxe is empty" (soso lala) and "Infamy" (crap for the creeps). To me it seems he has lost the spirit somewhen in the mid-1990s.

I wouldn't dare to mention "Losing my touch" which was maybe the biggest deception of them all - abysmally lousy, definitely one of the worst Stones songs ever.

Four Stone Walls Wrote:
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> Indeed it is. But anything is better than the
> infamous Infamy - their worst album-closer of all
> time.
>
> Someone tell Keith that there is more to a song
> than simple repetition of one musical/conceptual
> theme throughout. It would have been charitable of
> MJ to tell him that 'Er..Keith.this isn't a very
> strong song, you know'.
>
> To which Keith might have replied, "F*** off Mick,
> this album is cram full of your dodgy songs to
> which I've added my guitar. Infamy stays in.
> Period. And it's going at the end or else I'll
> tell everyone about your hair transplants."
>

I like Infamy a lot, there are a lot great ones that heve only one theme or one or two chords,empty heart, fortune teller,shake your hips go on and on, Its the feeling that counts, infamy is so free funky, real good!!!!!

F.U.C. the Captain Wrote:
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> ROUL Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I lost my Keef with that one.
>
> At least he's there with "Rough justice" which I
> dig very much. Mean riifing there.
> But apart of this song I think Keith was just
> creatively not "there" - at least I think he
> didn't put enough effort in this album. I mean hey
> - after eight years of hanging he should have come
> up with a little more than "Rough justice" (which
> I love) and "This plaxe is empty" (soso lala) and
> "Infamy" (crap for the creeps). To me it seems he
> has lost the spirit somewhen in the mid-1990s.
>
> I wouldn't dare to mention "Losing my touch" which
> was maybe the biggest deception of them all -
> abysmally lousy, definitely one of the worst
> Stones songs ever.
>

haha sorry guys really like loosing my touch too, it depents on what mood your in, it has such a nice relaxed mood to it,nice with candles, wine, and ofcourse some nice company, make a nice selection of keith songs see what happens, losing my touch, how can I stop, coming down again, this place is empty, go on and on. so for me losing my touch is definitly not the worst stones song.

hey guys infamy is the worst work they did ever!! losing my touch is better,if r u askin me about ''how i can stop'',''coming down again''.....their are exelent songs!!

Coming Down Again and How Can I Stop are in a totally different class/league to (the dire) LMT and Infamy. The former have verses with a different melody to the choruses. The songs develop beyond one simple (very simple) 'melodic' line.

At least Keith is honest enough to realise that he has lost his touch. But why does he have to prove his point by recording such tripe?

Captain FUC,

I don't discern any interesting riffing on RJ. The liveliest guitar on that song is Ronnie. Infact I havn't really bothered to check which of the rhythm guitars is Keith and which is Mick. There are few songs where you could say immediately "That's Keith playing the rhythm". I think this is Roul's main point.

The album does not have Keith's signature on it. There fore I'm frankly astonished that people class it as a great 'Stones'' album. Imo it's a good Jagger album which benefits greatly from Keith (Ron and Charlie).

IMO the album did not need Infamy ot This Place (ok in slight sort of way). But it is now default to have Keith numbers - and they are the best he could muster.

(Right, now that's over, back to "A Stones' Throw", where there is no doubting the strength of the compositions and of the guitar work. Wow....if only Jagger had someone of Taylor's calibre to work with!)

my conclusion if keith really would have lost his touch he wouldnt be rocking it out now every night, I mean he is great on this tour. And ofcourse everybody has an opinion to bad you dont like those songs and you dont like keith anymore.But I do!!(I know I am very optimistic about them but I cant help it, theyre more than a band theyre a way of life,and I dont nececerraly mean the heavy wasted druggy side, but for me the stones have a verry positive influence.Listning to the stones is like coming home, gives so much energie and inspiration!!!

michael i like them much more that ever you can thinkin,but the problem why are they make some bullshit songs like ''infamy'',''cat dragged in'',''moon is up''...

by the way where are you from roul, I am from holland

Michel,

Make no mistake....Keith is still good live. But that's mostly old catalogue.

He just doesn't have anything new to offer in the studio. But Jagger does.

I have been a great Keith fan. Love DW and SW. But I'm not shy about being honest about his 'recent' form in the studio, (the last 15 years). Actually Main Offende has been my favourite Keith work from last 15 years. And All The Kings' Men. Have yet to hear Wingless Angels material and the Toots album.

(By the way, weren't Maytals fab at Ahoy?).

Are there any stones fans out there who can comment seriously on new album.


Yeah, Roul. I've been saying ABB is a pile of crap since I bought it. Haven't changed my mind.

roul,what is your drug of choice?you seem to be on a bit to much.did you listen to the album,and judging from your grammer i doubt you even understand what any of the songs are about.get lost...


john scialfa

Four Stone Walls Wrote:
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> Michel,
>
> Make no mistake....Keith is still good live. But
> that's mostly old catalogue.
>
> He just doesn't have anything new to offer in the
> studio. But Jagger does.
>
> I have been a great Keith fan. Love DW and SW. But
> I'm not shy about being honest about his 'recent'
> form in the studio, (the last 15 years). Actually
> Main Offende has been my favourite Keith work from
> last 15 years. And All The Kings' Men. Have yet to
> hear Wingless Angels material and the Toots
> album.
>
> (By the way, weren't Maytals fab at Ahoy?).
That's the point, I think he did something new(different) with Infamy if he had made another basic keith riff song you would have a point, but now with Infamy he offers something new and different!! and maybe a lot of songs come from jagger but they wouldnot be as good withouth the help/precence of keith!!

I agree with those who think that Keef lost his creativity lately. ABB is a good album but it's Mick's touch all over. Rough Justice for instance is a caricature of what the Stones can do, it only required minimum effort.

Please stop this bullsh*teing! Noone has lost noones creativity.
It´s a Jagger-Richards thing.
Dont confuse lyrics with the songs.

I´ve been at this board for a year, and this theme pops up every once in a while.
Keith Richards is like Freddy Kruger, you cant kill ´im.
Simple as that.

I have heard Infamy is a totally different thing live; some songs
are better live, thats just state of things... How often do you listen
to Start Me Up´s studio version? Goes for much of the SF-songs too.

Well Michel,

I do think he made a simple riff song., The introduction is the best bit .... but then it stays stuck in that vein throughout.

Baboon,

If you know Jagger's solo work I think it's hard to escape the conclusion that most songs' are Jagger's creations. And I'll repeat my view that there is nothing particularly fresh happening in the guitar department. Largely, any guitarist would/could have done Keith's bits, and Jagger did do many of them. hard to know who's who there sometimes. In fact, strangely, it's Ronnie's bits which are most characteristic and characterful. And he was there in essence as a session man.

Can't Kill Keith Richards?

Well I wouldn't want to! But give someone a gun and enough money and............or simply Flip the Switch perhaps?!

No, let's keep him alive until next summer..... then call the jury.

1. Rough Justice... Micks song???
2. Let Me Down Slow... Micks song???
3. It Won't Take Long... Micks song???
4. Rain Fall Down
5. Streets Of Love
6. Back Of My Hand... Micks song???
7. She Saw Me Coming... Micks song???
8. Biggest Mistake
9. This Place Is Empty... Micks song???
10. Oh No, Not You Again... Micks song???
11. Dangerous Beauty... Micks song???
12. Laugh, I Nearly Died... Micks song???
13. Sweet Neo Con... Micks song???
14. Look What The Cat Dragged In
15. Driving Too Fast
16. Infamy... Micks song???

...I repeat: Dont confuse or mix up lyrics with the very songs.
Mick didnt write Satisfaction just because he put together words.
And they´re too old to try to play clever.
"Clever bastards", is an experssion formed by Keefster loooooong ago.

I think 2, 6 ,10, 11, 12 1nd 13 1re Mick songs.

3 and 7 might be Keith..... but they are cliched crap. (As is driving too fast).

By the way, I don't mistake lyrics with songs.

Yes, Keith did the Satisfaction riff. That was new and interesting at the time.

The Stones don't have to "play clever' or play at being the Stones, as many of their so-called successors do...they simply ARE the Stones.

Rod
Perth
Australia

Four Stone Walls Wrote:
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> I think 2, 6 ,10, 11, 12 1nd 13 1re Mick songs.
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> Yes, Keith did the Satisfaction riff. That was new
> and interesting at the time.


Yeah, yeah; Back Of My hand is a typical Mick-song.
And Neo Con... Good recycling of his pal´s old Rockawhile, isnt it?

Four Stone Walls; I´m sure there are some Jagger-site you can hang out at.

...I dont think you understand that this deals with a BAND.
Please try to throw away your blinkers.
Critizise Keith; but do not pretend youi were there when they
made the songs... Most seems to have been 'written' while jammin
at Jagger´s mansion.
It´s a good thing if - which I also believe - Jagger´s has taken a greater share
of the writing than usual (since the early 80s or so).





Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2005-10-10 13:14 by Baboon Bro.

ROUL Wrote:
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> jumping kent you dont understand,one of the good
> songs is ''biggest mistake''better than ''infamy''


Wrong there my friend. Infamy is cool and BM sucks ass.

JumpingKentFlash

I hereby declare and dub Ablett AND Kent
Knights of the Headchoppin Words.

S*cks ass.

But I´m gettin to like BM, much thanks to Rockman.

Bad side is that the sound is like Flashpoint, a bit thin, cold, not really warm like Voodoo Lounge, Bridges, Love You Live, Black And Blue, etc. Those albums had a great full and warm sound (bass-, middle- and high-tones mixing). A Bigger Bang lacks a bit. It's a bit better than the 4 new songs on Forty Licks (Don't Stop etc). Those songs sounds really awful, very thin, unlistenable.

Maybe I am the only one, but I like Infamy a lot.

It´s growin on me; so you dont have to feel lonely.

midrambler Wrote:
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> Maybe I am the only one, but I like Infamy a lot.


Hey me too I love it!!!!!!!!!

Baboon,

There is no need to be quite so patronising. Why should I hang out at a Jagger site?

What i have said is that this album is strongly, strongly jagger. It doesn't sound very Keith to me.

It does not sound like a BAND album to me. It shouldn't be necessary to keep repeating myself..............but just for you. Simply look at the track listings and see how involved Mick was with instrumentation. Mick laid down ONNYA (fantastic song btw) and Keith added some characteristic Keith bits. By the way I'm not mad on Mick's solo albums but it is clear to me that if he hadn't been so involved in this one there wouldn't have been another Stones' album. He is their creative force.

I'm disappointed by Keith. All my favourite Stones' albums have him to the fore.

Perhaps you'd like to say what's so great about Keith on this album? Perhaps not. Certainly nothing special on RJ. Nothing guitars, except Ronnie's maybe.

Biggest Mistake is one of the album's better songs. Infact it's in the very good category.

Kent Flash,

Are you saying that ABB is "better than suicide"? Perhaps it is. I wouldn't know.
If you are so sure then perhaps you'd like to try it and let us know.

No FSW. I took the "Better than suicide" from the Keef interview he made before ABB came out. He said "You know the drill: A new record, a new tour. It's better than suicide".

So that's where it's from.

JumpingKentFlash