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(Somewhat a digression from this: I see now that almost every big rock/pop act have canceled their concerts in Paris and even Europe at large.)
they need to get metal detectors/security at the door/explosive-sniffing dogs.
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Please do not use this thread to discuss domestic politics or religion or other difficult matters that will start another war right here on IORR. The same goes for gun control. Some like to own a gun, or may be twenty, others hate guns. I use a knife to cut my bread, others use a knife to kill.
If there are too many of those kind of political posts here then I have to start deleting, closing, acting like the real old Mr Censorship myself. I trust people are able to post with respect here.
On the personal side, I feel deep sadness for the pain our French friends are suffering right now. Like a young AUF girl said shortly after the terror attack in Norway July 22, 2011 attacks: "If one man can show so much hate, think how much love we could show, standing together."
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Naturalust
How much freedom, liberty and privacy are we willing to sacrifice for a bit of safety? This very real industry of security and protection that grows daily from the seeds of military and law enforcement and threatens to become it's own monster with it's attention and actions directed at the very people it was designed to protect scares me more than the potential threat of terror actually.
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Ask the family's who lost love ones some children in the Boston marathon bombing if they would sacrifice a little freedom,or privacy so these Terrorists would have been stopped before the bombs went off?
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Naturalust
It's one of the reasons I'm disappointed in the Artists that are cancelling shows in Paris! Who are the Artists who haven't cancelled their shows there? These are the ones I want to give a nod to.
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Ask the family's who lost love ones some children in the Boston marathon bombing if they would sacrifice a little freedom,or privacy so these Terrorists would have been stopped before the bombs went off?
You might be surprised at the answer ohmercy, but this kind of logic is not particularly useful considering the actual effectiveness of some of the things that deny us freedom and privacy have had on terror prevention and the obvious feelings most victims families will have regardless of the situation.
In any case, I totally agree with Bjornulf that, after a proper showing of grief, support and compassion, the proper reaction to such a tragic act of terrorism is to show no fear, continue to live and interact with the world and community they try so hard to shut down. It's one of the reasons I'm disappointed in the Artists that are cancelling shows in Paris! Who are the Artists who haven't cancelled their shows there? These are the ones I want to give a nod to.
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Do you believe, some "couple of good guys with concealed carry permits" would have had a real chance to stopp these terrorists using machine guns, really?
Show me one example, please ...
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HigfhwireC
Yes I obviously do or I wouldn't have said so.. I assure you if I was there, I would have tried to stop them. And if you were there and armed you probably would have too. I implore you not to continue the debate for obvious reasons..
But since you asked for examples:
[crimeresearch.org]
Seems to be a misperception of gun crimes in the US. I don't own a gun myself but I support the right of those who do. And yes we have the highest rate of gun ownership in the world, but when it comes to gun related crimes we don't even crack the top 100 countries in the world. That doesn't exactly suggest more guns = more violence.
US is listed at Nr. 13 world wide after Honduras, Venezuela, El Salvador (Undercover!), Jamaica, Swaziland, Guatemala, Colombia, South Africa, Brazil, Uruguay and Mexico ...
(look here: [en.wikipedia.org] ).
I stand corrected, I was referring to this which puts us at 91:
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gwen
Apparently most shows were cancelled for administrative reasons and were not the bands doing. I have no definitive information about other shows but Motorhead and Marilyn Manson wanted to go on, as well as the venues and promoters - both shows were only cancelled when administrative decisions were published. I've heard of logistics issues too for these two bands, with border controls being reinforced.
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Reading the accounts of the victims in the French papers, a lot of young rock fans obviously, people out eating in cafes, many parents of young kids. What an absolute horror. Almost 500 people were shot or blown up. So many lives destroyed. It is worth it to step back and read of few of these and just think about all of these people who will never have a chance to live their lives, just on account of madness.
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Apparently most shows were cancelled for administrative reasons and were not the bands doing. I have no definitive information about other shows but Motorhead and Marilyn Manson wanted to go on, as well as the venues and promoters - both shows were only cancelled when administrative decisions were published. I've heard of logistics issues too for these two bands, with border controls being reinforced.
thanks, Gwen.
I was wondering about this. And imagine, among other --more profound and human-- nightmares, terrorism creates insurance nightmares out the wazoo. I would like to believe that, left to their own devices the artists would go on (if they had the choice).
I am with Naturalust (as I said 5 pp ago) about preference for not laying out personal freedoms and civil liberties on a sacrificial alter for a [usually false, specious] sense of Security. Especially given the Fear/Terrorism profiteers already rubbing their hands together with glee at their soaring revenues.
As I said, give me liberty or give me death. I do not wish to live in a tightly controlled authoritarian state. Nor to contribute to lining the pockets of the vermin who profit from increased and manufactured demand for incarceration, security, surveillance, etc.
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Just watched this, interesting, but depressing look at the history of the war in Syria.