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NFL 212-681-7599 Fax number or call 2124502000
Posted by: dennysmith61 ()
Date: August 12, 2005 19:39

If you do can we keep a running tally?

Re: NFL 212-681-7599 Fax number or call 2124502000
Posted by: dennysmith61 ()
Date: August 12, 2005 19:45

I just called

Whose next?

Re: NFL 212-681-7599 Fax number or call 2124502000
Posted by: dennysmith61 ()
Date: August 12, 2005 19:57

SO FAR I have two.

Re: NFL 212-681-7599 Fax number or call 2124502000
Posted by: Marhsall ()
Date: August 12, 2005 20:09


Not Me!

I don't want the Stones associated w/ the NFL anyway.

I think this is a very OVER-BLOWN

"Well my heavy throbbers itchin' just to lay a solid rhythm down"

Re: NFL 212-681-7599 Fax number or call 2124502000
Posted by: dennysmith61 ()
Date: August 12, 2005 20:26

At this point it is not about NFL but about censorship

If we don't stop this they will censor something you want

Then it will be too late.......

What if they went after radio station like they did with other ant war bands

Or Cities holding concerts.

Against NFL sponsership let Stones know

But you can't pick and choice what books to burn

With all respect

Re: NFL 212-681-7599 Fax number or call 2124502000
Posted by: marvpeck ()
Date: August 12, 2005 20:32

What if we call to say we SUPPORT the decision of the NFL to break it off with the Stones and congratulate them for having more sense than the Stones?



Marv Peck

Y'all remember that rubber legged boy

Re: NFL 212-681-7599 Fax number or call 2124502000
Posted by: dennysmith61 ()
Date: August 12, 2005 20:51

if that is your opinion....

It seems self defeating

And the foundation of censorship

But there would be no argument against other forms of censorship

It is a slippery slope

But maybe we view censorship differently.

Like I saud let Stones know you hate the NFL combo then it would be the artists choice

But to go along with the censorship crowd well that is up to you

You have that right

Re: NFL 212-681-7599 Fax number or call 2124502000
Posted by: Marhsall ()
Date: August 12, 2005 20:54


CENSORSHIP has been a problem that has plauged this country for a while, would you agree?

I think we can also agree that the majority of the American public basically get their news from the same source. ABC , CBS , NBC FOX, etc... they are all basically the same.


With a very, very liberal slant.


What I think is sad is that Mick's song has generated people here on the forum to motivate themselves and other's for preserving "freedom of speech"

A very fundamental right in the constitution.

But if we want to talk about censorship and news outlet's let's delve further.


Why is it that say....... if a gun is used in a crime it is BIG news EVERYDAY!
And out roll all the Anti-Gun Commies with their hand gun propoganda.

But if a gun is used in self defense or to protect your family. the STORY GET'S BURIED!


ANOTHER EXAMPLE IS A CASE OF 2 HOMOSEXUAL MEN WHO ABDUCTED A 8 yr. old boy. tied him to a tree and repeatadly raped him!! They had stuffed this young kid's underwear in his mouth to subdue his cries, and eventually ended up choking to death on them!

Where are the cries of outrage about censorship and baised reporting on just these 2 stories?

As you stated you can't choose which books to burn.

If a letter writing campaign is to begin here. I think everyone needs to stand behind it and be united!

But I think it would take alot more than just writing e-mails or sending fax's to the NFL about a Rock Singer's lyrics to change the scope of media and censorship in this country, and other's as well.


I hope ONLY that this topic creates thoughtful, intellectual discussions and replies and not turn into a heated debate.

I always hate to see that here......












"Well my heavy throbbers itchin' just to lay a solid rhythm down"

Re: NFL 212-681-7599 Fax number or call 2124502000
Posted by: NYCSTONESFREAK ()
Date: August 12, 2005 20:55

I agree with you denny we cannot sensor political statements by bands that is the issue not Commercialism by NFl

Separate issue

I will call

Re: NFL 212-681-7599 Fax number or call 2124502000
Posted by: dennysmith61 ()
Date: August 12, 2005 21:35

If not now when

I can; be that pessismisttic the fight has to start somewhere

We can 't fight every battle.

you sound like you are giving up?

I am sure when The african american women would not get up from the bus

She never though it would lead to such a civil rights battle.

Your choice we can only fight one battle at a time.

I hink a few emails/calls would do a lot

I have seen it close up.

Sadly Fox was started because the rest of the media was to far left 80%

Voted for Democrates in most elections made anyone that had a slighly more consevative view as Nuts.

Fox filled a void. Went to other extreme. And the rating show people wanted it.

Should we do nothing?

I am not going to devate this the cases you mention I agree with you on but that has nothing to do with this.

your choice




Re: NFL 212-681-7599 Fax number or call 2124502000
Posted by: Baboon Bro ()
Date: August 12, 2005 21:37

This is sick.

Re: NFL 212-681-7599 Fax number or call 2124502000
Posted by: dennysmith61 ()
Date: August 12, 2005 21:44

baboon could you be more specific?

Re: NFL 212-681-7599 Fax number or call 2124502000
Posted by: dennysmith61 ()
Date: August 12, 2005 22:00

I am shocked gho fans are reluctant to get involved in these sort of things.

This or downloading single....

But I guess it is Human nature

Re: NFL 212-681-7599 Fax number or call 2124502000
Posted by: 4tylix ()
Date: August 12, 2005 22:07

I just called and registered my support for the Stones, but you're post doesn't seem to be receiving much support. Interesting to say the least. Well, hopefully ABC will keep them on, although as a business they can choose to air it or not. And we can raise or voices or not.

Re: NFL 212-681-7599 Fax number or call 2124502000
Posted by: dennysmith61 ()
Date: August 12, 2005 22:13

Thanks agree

But let it be for the right reasons ABC has a choice

Amazing in the NFL you have players caught with Drugs arrested for crimes

Etc Etc but a song will keep the greates rock band off the air.


Believe me if the played football The NFL would not care less about there political

beliefs.


Re: NFL 212-681-7599 Fax number or call 2124502000
Posted by: dennysmith61 ()
Date: August 12, 2005 22:15

4tylix

I have read your other posts very insightful and balanced

I donn't know why the more liberal voices tend to get less involved?

Guess they will have to respond to that

Re: NFL 212-681-7599 Fax number or call 2124502000
Posted by: bv ()
Date: August 12, 2005 22:26

I will not tolerate political statements so any thead getting such will be closed. We are fans from 130+ countries with all sorts of religion, race, sex, needs, dreams and hopes and this is not the place nor the time to campaign own politics or banners. Do it other places. Thank you.

PS. I have no opinion on NFL or NHL or ABC or any other companies or organizations but feel free to contact anyone who mess with the Stones.

Bjornulf

Re: NFL 212-681-7599 Fax number or call 2124502000
Posted by: 4tylix ()
Date: August 12, 2005 22:26

Thanks. You've provided many great thoughts. You and I disagree on some elements of course, but it's best to agree to disagree. I've been accused of attacking people, so I'll just end by saying it's been a pleasure exchanging information and ideas with you. Have a great time during the tour!

Re: NFL 212-681-7599 Fax number or call 2124502000
Posted by: 4tylix ()
Date: August 12, 2005 22:28

BV...does that extend to attacks on the U.S. as well? You have a great site, but in this area some fairness and consistency is needed.

Re: NFL 212-681-7599 Fax number or call 2124502000
Posted by: dennysmith61 ()
Date: August 12, 2005 22:32

Software utilized:

Ditto double ditto fairness would be nice

Re: NFL 212-681-7599 Fax number or call 2124502000
Posted by: dennysmith61 ()
Date: August 12, 2005 22:35

I agree though the politics got out of hand

I am not looking at those posts anymore

Re: NFL 212-681-7599 Fax number or call 2124502000
Posted by: 4tylix ()
Date: August 12, 2005 22:40

I have no desire to make any further political statements on this site, and would like to simply enjoy posts about the Stones, but I'm baffled when anti-American posts are not seen as offensive, but anything that defends current US policy and criticizes European policies is seen as personal attacks.

Like I've said several times, I will not begin any political posts or continue any that have started, but am troubled when only one side of the street is represented.

It's bv's site though and hell, he can kick us off...it's his choice...but no one ought to complain about ABC if that happens

Re: NFL 212-681-7599 Fax number or call 2124502000
Posted by: 4tylix ()
Date: August 12, 2005 22:44

Dennysmith61...

cool, I agree...how about you and I suspend any policitical replies for at least 72 hours and see if EVERYONE can refrain from politics and just get back to the Stones? I'm more than happy to see this all end. :-)

Re: NFL 212-681-7599 Fax number or call 2124502000
Posted by: Baboon Bro ()
Date: August 12, 2005 22:44

Stop that bloomin´ naggin´ about attacking USA.
Noone is.
Horse-shit, bullshit. Dont you know who the Stones are??
Dont you know the story behind the Glimmer Twins (Jagger & Richards,
if you didnt know). It started with a love affair between them and US-music.
That affair hasnt stopped yet; and never will.
But be sure they luuuv the black music more than the white.
Over time their passion for country has growned -
but the blues vain has deepened during the same time.
The reactionary WASP-@#$%& that pop up with your ugly heads
- no name mentioned - gotta face fact that the boys love USA.
They have lived there since the 70´s: these chaps do have several
flats & houses.
...-Since when is it prohibited to express political opinions in a song
in the US? Please stop this nightmare!

Re: NFL 212-681-7599 Fax number or call 2124502000
Posted by: 4tylix ()
Date: August 12, 2005 22:50

>The reactionary WASP-@#$%& that pop up with your ugly heads
- no name mentioned

No name need be mentioned...a personal attack on White Anglo Saxon Protestants?

Hmmm...my mom's 1/2 African-American...thanks Baboon.

Bv?

Re: NFL 212-681-7599 Fax number or call 2124502000
Posted by: bv ()
Date: August 12, 2005 22:54

You can NOT attack people and you can NOT attack countries and you can not attach individuals. Here. IORR is a site where you discuss the Stones. Not politics. So why would you attack the U.S. here? Or Norway? Or India? Or Japan? Or France? We are all in the same boat called Mother Earth. And if someone is smarter than me and all others around then feel free to join the politics, so may be you would have the chance of making the world a better place to live in. But attacking people, individuals and groups, countries or whatever is not welcome here. Not for any reason. Because there are no reason.

PS. I get lots of hate mail every day because of Sweet Neo Con and people who think the Stones are pro or con something but I just ignore them all. If you start listening to the Rolling Stones 40+ years history of songs and lyrics then I am sure you can pin any opinion to any song. Feel free. But no political campaigs here.

Bjornulf

Re: NFL 212-681-7599 Fax number or call 2124502000
Posted by: Baboon Bro ()
Date: August 12, 2005 22:57

Could Denny please explain a little bit more for us non-US citizens
what all this is about?

Re: NFL 212-681-7599 Fax number or call 2124502000
Posted by: NYCSTONESFREAK ()
Date: August 12, 2005 23:26

Sure in the last 1o years or so there has been a growing conservative media very powerful

I think so me and Denny have talked off line.

Media Can be a good thing but have gobe too far to try to avoid the way Vietnam

troops were treated any disagreement on the war is deemed un-american or anti americanant-troops

so The Stones get attacked for this song and the goal of these media outlets is too censor.

Some of it is the lefts fault because there arguments are about as philosphical

as a two year old. pacificism I respect individually but historically has been proven wrong over and over again. Statements like killing is never right are about as stupid as anything I have ever heard

Tell people opprressed by Nazi's that.

I hate censorship and think it is wrong and want to stand up against it

But Little support on this site has lead me to believe little hope

The Right wing extreme have louder Gutsey voices.

The truth is always in the Middle.

The NFL should not stop because of the propaganda of these outlets.

There will always be evil

I am sure it is the opposite in Most of Europe where Conservative religious voices are silenced.

I disgaree with Stones on this song... at least to some extent

But freedom for all

Re: NFL 212-681-7599 Fax number or call 2124502000
Posted by: dennysmith61 ()
Date: August 12, 2005 23:42

Thanks NYC could not have said it better

And I will go along with no politics but want to undertan

Broi your Wasp Bigoted remark I should say i am shocked at But I
So I guess ethnic putdowns are ok on this site?

Like I know a lot of people on here are Eurotrash but would never say it smiling smiley

Re: NFL 212-681-7599 Fax number or call 2124502000
Posted by: Marhsall ()
Date: August 13, 2005 00:04


Please don't misunderstand me....

I am all for ALL constitutional rights!

And I agree we do have a voice... the only reason our so called "leaders" are there are to protect our GOD given rights and that is all..

I am saying if this is going to be done. it has to be a united force...

I think it is great what you are all doing...and I see you point!

Sorry if you misunderstood my earlier posts...

my main point of contention was I disagree about the Stones and NFL a commercial vehicle for the band......THAT IS ALL.




"Well my heavy throbbers itchin' just to lay a solid rhythm down"

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